Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Single Disc) DVD
Cost: $34.99
OH MY GOD!!!!!
What will the next Star Wars set cost??????
http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Kingdom-Crystal-Single/dp/B001DTPZNY/ref=sr_1_4/105-5381319-4594060?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1218786121&sr=8-4
George Lucas says:
"If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one."
GOUT is the only best case scenario that George will give to OOT fans.
Sluggo said:
There will be no theatrical versions, no OOT.
Sluggo is right and people would be dreaming if they think George would remaster the theatrical versions.
George may remaster the theatrical versions only if people stop paying for thing George pumps out. but, TF.N fans will always buy his Sh**.
George only cares about the TF.N fans and Dumb-a@@es.
Here is OOT fan best case scenario
print these out, get three cases, put the '06 GOUT in them versions and dream :
these are based on 1995 designs. GOUT is from the 1995 OT laserdisk:
http://plamdi.com/movies/swcovers.htm
What I want to see with the next Star Wars Release.
All Six movies having their own 6-disk set.
All Six movies Release on both Standard DVD and Blu-ray.
All Six films have the same treatment has listed below.
The Box Sets Package with thin plastic cases for each disks that sides into a box (Like the James Bond box set).
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Plastic case: one
Disc 1: George Lucas's Super-Duper "Really Special" Edition Final Version of his film.
Disk 2: The Saga Version Bonus Material.
These Bonus Materials covers George Lucas's Super-Duper "Really Special" Edition Final Version .
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Plastic case: Two
Disc 3: Fully restored Original Theatrical Version.
Digitally Remastered: All footage scanned in high definition from original camera negatives. extensive and comprehensive hi-definition digital cleanup and restoration job. Digital Lighting recreate OOT's Lighting for sharper and cleaner picture. (IMAX "DMR" Digital Remastering)
Original Unaltered Effect Cleaned: Cleaned up matte shots, and other minor touches such as tidying up effects and recomposed Effects. Digital Lighting recreate OOT's Lighting for sharper and cleaner picture. Original Unaltered Audio Digitally Remastered: extensive and comprehensive hi-definition digital cleanup and restoration job of the Original audio.
Classic Sound Options: Mono, Dolby Stereo, Dolby Surround.
Classic Viewing Options: 1.33:1 Fullscreen, 4:3 Widescreen, 16:9 Anamorphic Widescreen.
Subtitles: English.
Audio Commentary: None.
Disk 4: Vintage Bonus Material (Digitally Remastered).
These Bonus Materials cover the Original Theatrical Version.
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Plastic case: Three
Disk 5: Delete Scenes.
Digitally Remastered: All footage scanned in high definition from original camera negatives. extensive and comprehensive hi-definition digital cleanup and restoration job.
Options: Classic Version Delete Scenes,
George Lucas's Super-Duper "Really Special" Edition Final Version Delete Scenes.
Disk 6: Specials:
The Holiday Special (Digitally Remastered) for EP IV set.
Ewoks Movie one (Digitally Remastered) for EP V set.
Ewoks Movie two (Digitally Remastered) for EP VI set.
Something made just for EP I set (like a CGI Movie or a Prequel Holiday Special).
The Clone Wars CGI Movie (Digitally Remastered) for EP II set.
Something made just for EP III set (like a CGI Movie set after EP III).
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The volcano stuff came from Mark Hamill:
"At the time STAR WARS was being filmed, I had no idea Darth Vader was my father," Hamill recalls. "I don't think Alec Guinness did, either, because in the scene where I ask him who my father was, he hesitated. Don't know how George made him do that. I didn't hear him saying, 'Maybe you don't really want to tell him,'" Hamill says, marveling at Sir Alec's performance.
"But it's tricky. I remember very early on asking who my parents were and being told that my father and Obi-Wan met Vader on the edge of a volcano and they had a duel. My father and Darth Vader fell into the crater and my father was instantly killed. Vader crawled out horribly scarred, and at that point the Emperor landed and Obi-Wan ran into the forest, never to be seen again."
"Now I wonder if it's true? I mean, there are so many things. For example, remember the Clone Wars? They could have cloned my father.
http://www.stars.handshake.de/starlog.htm
well darth vader was not luke's father in Star Wars (Ep Iv):
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/birthoffatherskywalker.html
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http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html
The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay tells an alternative story, indicating that Vader fell into a nuclear reactor shaft rather than lava. In this case, his infirmities may have something to do with mutation, radiation sickness and extensive cancer.) The Emperor's supposed involvement is interesting, as is the implication that Vader escaped under his own strength.
http://boards.theforce.net/classic_trilogy/b10002/8708417/p13
The Notion of vader being Luke's father first appeared in the second draft [of ESB]. Vader became attached to the dark side while he was training to become a Jedi. He became a Jedi and killed most of the Jedi Knights; very few escaped. Ben fought Vader and pushed him down a nuclear reactor shaft. One of his arms was severed, and Ben believed he had killed Vader; in fact, Vader survived and became a mutant. - Annotated Screenplays
STAR WARS: The Annotated Screenplays
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Screenplays-Laurent-Bouzereau/dp/0345409817
Ben fought Vader and pushed him down a nuclear reactor shaft, One of his arms was severed. This is like what happens to luke in ESB. One of luke's arms was severed and he fall into shaft. think for a moment.....could what happen to Luke in ESB be mirroring what happen to vader in The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay. Could it be that at the time of making ESB the fall down the nuclear reactor shaft was the Origin of Darth Vader.
Here is artwork of the front of vader's face from ESB: http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/unmaskdrawing.jpg
Finally, the world was given a brief glimpse of the man underneat the helmet. "I shot this scene very carefully," director Irvin Kershner says. "When the captain comes in and Vader is sitting in his capsule with his back towards us, all you see are scars on the back of his neck for a second. I didn't want the audience to see anything else. I imagined that beneath the mask Vader was hideous; his mouth was cut away and he had one eye hanging low." http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/visualdevelopmentofdarthvader.htm
Now the ROTJ Vader:
Return of the Jedi gave us some slight modifications as well, notably a further enhancement of the vocal flanging to make it seem more processed and electronic than in Empire Strikes Back, perhaps because the unmasking scene at the end would reveal a design that shows that Vader's natural voice is processed and amplified through an electronic system. The unmasking scene required more development be done on Vader. Since making Empire Strikes Back , Lucas had decided to turn Vader from a villain into a sympathetic character, unmasking and redeeming him in the final drafts. Because he was no longer a hideous monster, he was re-written as a "softer" and more human character--one early draft had him scarred and with a cloudy eye and a grey beard, but for the final version he was turned even more sympathetic, instead presenting him as a pale old man. This unmasking scene also necessitated a more elaborate design of the helmet. It is revealed to actually be three pieces,with the third piece being the actual mouthpiece which vocalises Vader's speech and processes his breathing. The cybernetic aspect is emphasized once again, with all sorts of vents, buttons and technological pieces decorating the helmet. Below is the prop used in this scene: Contrast that with the crude and simple two-piece mask used in Star Wars. Lucas also gave us insight into the extent of Vader's internal cybernetic re-construction--as Vader is being electrocuted, his skeleton is made visible, revealing his legs and arms to be fully or partially robotic, and his neck vertebrae to be artificial, perhaps explaining his respiration dependence as due to complete paralysis. Dr. Curtis Saxon has made an insightful commentary on this aspect. Below are screencaps provided by him which illustrate these things:
http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/visualdevelopmentofdarthvader.htm
Now the rebooted Vader of Revenge of the Sith:
Finally, when it came time to making Revenge of the Sith, Lucas had to make specific choices regarding these elements that were previously only hinted at. Firstly, it was revealed that all of Anakin's limbs are artificial. Secondly, Anakin suffered no such paralysis in his "volcano" tumble, and in fact he is quite easily capable of breathing on his own, whether it is when he is clawing his way up the Mustafar slope or when it is in the medical chamber. It is strange that the film completely ignores this "iron lung" aspect, which was originally the very impetus of the whole cybernetic transformation.
In the film, a large gap exists between the scene where the medical droids begin work on him and the next time we see him, where he is more or less completed and already in the suit. Such a huge jump in time makes it seem as though Anakin has neither any respiratory needs, nor has any integral cybernetic enhancements to his organs or tissues, contrary to what Return of the Jedi implies. The emphasis is instead placed on his horrible imprisonment, reflecting the "tragic" view of Vader that the prequels show. We do, however, get a brief glimpse of the inside of the helmet, showing us high-tech HUD displays and a red-tinted electronic perspective (similar to Terminator). Lucas had to also make a decision on how to visually portray the Vader suit. Rather than making a choice with chronological consistency in mind, in other words going with the suit shown in Star Wars , Anakin was instead given the cyborg-emphasized design of the later two sequels. This design was given even more robotic overtones however--the hand-sculpted mask of the original films was remade using a robotic tool to ensure the mask was perfectly symmetrical. The chestbox was now made to be fully integrated into Vader's torso, creating a cyborg look. Finally, the helmet was made to connect underneath the breastplate, instead of overlapping on top as it did in the original films--this subtle but effective re-design gave Vader a more robotic look. Finally, Star Wars was altered where possible to match the depiction seen in the subsequent entries--James Earl Jones' voice was enhanced for the 2004 DVD release to sound more like the electronic version of Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith .
http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/visualdevelopmentofdarthvader.htm
Both the falling into fire and falling into a nuclear reactor seem to play into the Unmasked Vader, we see in EBS and ROTJ
Maybe George had not made up his mind on which one he wanted by the time the OOT was finish.
The OOT's Vader seem have both Origins.
If you like the falling into fire idea, then Anakin falls into fire (a volcano or a molten pit).
If you like the falling into a nuclear reactor idea, then Anakin falls into a nuclear reactor.
or if you like both, then it is both.
some-fans like Star Wars (Ep IV) and do not see vader as luke's father.
So, pick the one you like and research it.
For myself, I think the Vader falls into a volcano or a molten pit idea is a dumb idea because a person would just burn up on (or before) Impact.
more likely the some of the people who worked on ESB thought this too and GL changed it to the vader falls into a nuclear reactor and is radiated idea.
Now, GL has millions of Yes-men (like Rick McCallum) around him and the falls into a volcano or a molten pit idea returns for EP III.
I feel like most things in the PT, it is a really dumb idea.
Like The Visual Development of Darth Vader says:
he (vader) is quite easily capable of breathing on his own (in Ep III).
(EU BULL) The novelisation, however, states that Anakin's lungs were destroyed by breathing in the harmful super-heated gases.
one has to wonder why Obi Wan and Padme suffered no such side effects despite only slightly less extreme exposure.
And so on with the really dumb old George Lucas ideas.
Man I wish Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner work on the PT.
I'll take a mutant cyborg (cybernetic arms, legs, lungs, back and god only knows) vader in a iron-lung suit over the Burn Quadriplegia vader.
I know that Obi is japanese sash, but I thought that George Lucas may have used it also because OBI can stand for obliteration by incorporation.
but knowing George is not that smart, I will remove the obliteration by incorporation part of my post.
Obi (sash) is From Japan and Wan (Chinese abbreviation for the province of Anhui) is from China.
the name Anakin is a Surname like Wan.
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Number20 says
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the novelization for ANH said that Vader and Obi-Wan fought and Vader fell into a volcano. I don't remember the radiation stuff from TESB.
it is in The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay and it seems at the time of making ESB (and maybe ROTJ) it was used.
(Lawrence Kasdan said that Vader was a Mutant. I think is this is in the Secret History of Star Wars or on www.starwarz.com).
The Duel between Anakin and Obi-wan always ended with Anakin falling into fire (a volcano or a molten pit).
But I think the falling into the nuclear reactor shaft was why Anakin turned to the darkside in the OOT backstory.
Both the falling into fire (a volcano or a molten pit) and falling into a nuclear reactor shaft seem to be true.
looking at the design of The unmasked vader from ESB and ROTJ, The OOT vader shows signs of both.
OOT vader with a burn on the back of his head which shows the falling into fire:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/ldvader2.jpg
OOT vader face looks like somebody with radiation sickness which shows the falling into a nuclear reactor:
http://darthvader.blog.dada.net/archive/images/DarthVader.jpg
Also Lucas in the '04 DVDs changed the unmasked vader in ROTJ to match the lava burn-only Vader of EP III.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs/rotj/unmasked2.jpg
This may add to the Obi-Wan clone idea or not:
"Ben", Hebrew for "son of", common in inscriptions on gravestones.
so, Ben Kenobi could means son of Kenobi.
Sometimes in Sci-fi stories a clone will be called an offspring of the original. A son is a male offspring.
maybe Ben Kenobi means an offspring of the original Kenobi.
Now, I do not think that the Ben/obi-wan in Star Wars (Ep IV) is a clone. I know he was not.
But, the real obi-wan in hiding may have been using the name of the clone of himself in the OOTP backstory.
thanks TheoOdo.
I don't like EU, but this :
Another thing that's very up in the air is the nature of the Clone Wars. In "Dark Empire" Luke finds himself on board a "dungeon ship", which he says is the same kind they used to transport Jedi during the Clone Wars. It's possible to speculate, then, that the Clone Wars may have been a war against the Jedi, involving mass execution and imprisonment of the Jedi. Anakin may have switched sides in this war in order to enjoy the greater power of the Dark Side having been corrupted. At which he point he "helped" hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. "Before the Dark Times, before the Empire..."
seems to fit others things I had learn about The OOT's Clone Wars story was the Mandalorian supercommandos (bobba fett was a Mandalorian supercommandos who battled in the clone wars in the OOTP story) hunted the Jedi and that the clones may have been the Supercommandos (a.k.a. Supersoldiers) and Jedi Clones (to aid in hiding the jedi) in The OOT's Clone Wars story.
From
http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/obi-wan-kenobi-is-a-clone
wil masisak
George Lucas gave backstories for the characters in ‘77 or ‘78 in which Ben Kenobi’s clone was named OB-1 (which is the character from the series. Also, Ben Kenobi was much older than OB-1 would have appeared in the movie.
I am going to look into The OB-1 clone also to see if there is true in it or not. in the OOT, Obi-Wan and Owen are brothers (ROTJ Novel), so I think if the cloning thing is true then it maybe Anakin/vader killed the Ben Kenobi clone and thought it was the real Obi-Wan Kenobi. Then, the real Obi-Wan Kenobi used the name Ben Kenobi. Why did Obi-Wan Kenobi used the name Ben is a big question and why did Obi-Wan Kenobi in hiding, keep his last name "Kenobi". Maybe Obi-Wan Kenobi was using his clone's name (Ben Kenobi) in hiding because Vader thought he killed the real Obi-Wan Kenobi. Maybe some of The clones in The OOT's Clone Wars story were Jedi Clones.
Think about from the ROTJ script:
LUKE
You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my
father.
BEN
You father was seduced by the dark side of
the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker
and became Darth Vader. When that happened,
the good man who was your father was
destroyed. So what I have told you was
true... from a certain point of view.
Maybe Vader did kill Anakin... from another certain point of view.
Maybe Vader killed Anakin's clone.
I think it fits the "Anakin fell into a nuclear reactor shaft, Afterwards, Anakin's body was deformed and dying" idea.
think about it:
a deformed and dying Anakin see the clone of himself which is the way he once was. How do you think a deformed and dying Anakin would react to this.
p.s.
A clue in the Obi-Wan and Owen are brothers thing is their first names.
Their last names "Kenobi" and "Lars" are not the same maybe cuase "Kenobi" is a jedi name or they are half brothers or Owen is using his mother's maiden name of "Lars" and
Obi-Wan is using his father's last name of "Kenobi" or Obi-Wan is using his mother's maiden name of "Kenobi" and Owen is using his father's last name of "Lars".
I think in the future they will remake IV, V, VI to match the shitty prequels.
Real Star Wars fans (not the TF.N, GL lickers) have to face that Star Wars ended in 1983 and that ROTJ is the last SW Film.
I Really think that the Prequels were never really goes to be made and that why GL waited 20 years to make them. The Prequels
like The SE were more likely made because GL saw his Star Wars money-well drying up.
The OOT Prequel idea was just a little background-story to give The OOT more history.
The Real Star Wars was always the story of Luke Skywalker and not Anakin/vader like GL lies about now.
The Prequel and the SE are just the money whores just like GL and TF.N.
Who cares if Hollywood makes remades just look at what's happening to Star Trek right now.
J.J. is turning Star Trek in to a dumbed down money whore version just like GL did with Star Wars (SE and PT).
R.I.P. Star Wars (1976-1983) and R.I.P. Star Trek (1965-1992)
Thanks skyjedi2005 for the Isaac Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation series info.
It will in Putting The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story together.
Isaac Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation series of novels, the Galactic Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_%28Asimov%29
Isaac Asimov's Robot/Empire/Foundation Trilogy is more likely one of the backbones in making The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story. Maybe it is Original order of the OOTP, first the Robot story, then the Empire story and finally the Foundation story. This order also fits the OOT, Star Wars with the Robot story (SW starts with C-3PO and R2-D2 and their story), then ESB with the Empire story and finally the Foundation story with how things started and ended (learning how vader started and his death).
Another part of the backbones in making The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story is the Fritz Lang's 1927 science fiction film Metropolis. In Metropolis, The mad scientist Rotwang builds the android whose appearance heavily influenced the image of Lucas' C-3PO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotwang
Vader/Anakin is more likely based on Rotwang.
In GL's EP I The Phantom Menace, Anakin is the maker of C-3PO which is true to Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story....but, all clue point that Anakin was 19 or 20 in The OOTP story and not 8 like GL's EP I. also it fits that the OOTP's Anakin made the protocol droid for his wife and not like GL's EP I which shows him making it for mother who was a slave and more likely did not need some thing like protocol droid.
Rotwang has various mechanical body parts (like vader) one in which is a mechanical hand covered by a leather glove (like Luke and Vader). More likely the OOTP's Anakin was more like Rotwang and had some mechanical body parts even before become Vader.
I think the OOTP's Anakin had an mechanical hand from the start.
In GL's EP II AOTC, we see a battle in which GL's Anakin has his arm cut off and is force throw by GL's count dooku. I think this scene was in the OOTP story, but I think the OOTP's Anakin already had one mechanical hand and that a sith lord (not Count Poo-Poo) cut off the OOTP's Anakin last human hand. then the sith lord force thrown the OOTP's Anakin and the OOTP's Anakin fell into a nuclear reactor shaft (not the floor like in EP II) in which he was radiated. I do not think the OOTP's Obi-Wan was with the OOTP's Anakin like EP II shows.
P.S.
Octorox said:
To tell you the truth, that sounds like something out of a comic book. Worse than what's there IMO.
Hey Octorox,
Darth Vader was Based on mainly comic book villains (Mainly Doctor Doom).
Hell, all of the OOT is like a comic book because it is based on Comic Books.
If you are not going to help in Putting The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story together and you like the PT ...
then you need to go to TF.N. because most people on OT.com hate GL's PT. If you hate GL's PT, then help out and not judge what
people write because People are trying to put the all parts together to learn about The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story, Good or bad.
The OOT Emperor
From the 1976 Star Wars Novel:
From Journal of the Whills:
"rotted from within though the danger was not visible from the outside." He explains,“ Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.”
The Original Palpatine became President (not Chancellor like in GL's Prequels).
I think that the boot-lickers that The Emperor had appointed to high office were the Senate that The Emperor disbanded in Star Wars (a.k.a. Ep IV).
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine#Character_creation
When the original Star Wars trilogy was filmed, the Emperor was unnamed and his throne world unidentified. In Lucas's early draft scripts of Star Wars, the Emperor was identified as Cos Dashit. In one version, he rules from the Imperial throne world of Alderaan, while in a draft of Return of the Jedi the throne world is called Had Abbadon.
Though it would not be used in film until the prequel trilogy, the first mention of the name Palpatine was in the prologue of the 1976 A New Hope novelization in describing Palpatine's rise to power. It is unclear, however, if Palpatine was, at the time, intended by Lucas to be the then-reigning Emperor. In any case, the name attached to the sole.
Could the Emperor in the OOT, not be Emperor Palpatine, but a new Emperor named Cos Dashit who came in power and then disbanded the Senate which had controled the past Emperors.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cos_Dashit
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Also
I know most OOT fans know this one.
The OOT Owen Lars is Kenobi's brother:
From the Return of the Jedi novel, Obi Wan Kenobi's "From a Certain Point of View" speech states Owen Lars is in fact Kenobi's brother.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi_%28novel%29#Differences_from_the_film
The more I think about it, the more it fits.
Anakin was a good man before his fall to the darkside.
Something happen to Anakin to made him turn to darkside.
After ROTJ was released, Lucas was asked about Luke and Leia's mother/Anakin's wife. Lucas said that he did not give her character much thought.
So, at the time of making the OOT, Luke and Leia's mother/Anakin's wife was more likely not the cause of Anakin's fall to the darkside like she was in Revenge of the Sith.
like I wrote before: Anakin was a good man before his fall to the darkside and Something happen to Anakin to made him turn to darkside.
I think that the fall into a nuclear reactor shaft in The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay was the Original cause of vader turning to darkside.
I think Darth Vader's OOT Origin is this:
After Anakin fell into a nuclear reactor shaft, Anakin found himself with mutations, radiation sickness and extensive cancer and Anakin turned to the darkside to save his own life. Years afterward, Obi-Wan saw what happened to Anakin and try to help Anakin, but it was too late. Obi-Wan and Anakin battled each other. The Battle ended with Anakin falling into a molten pit, inwhich the back of Anakin's body is burned which kills off the last remaining parts of Anakin Skywalker in his mind.
this Darth Vader's OOT Origin fits the OOT. In ESB, after battling vader, Luke jumps and falls into a shaft which may have been foreshadowing Anakin's fall into a nuclear reactor shaft. then, In ROTJ, luke is "on his back in pain" from the emperor's lightning may have been foreshadowing Anakin "on his back in pain" as his back was burned in the molten pit.
Also In ROTJ, the Dying vader throws the emperor into a reactor shaft which may have also been foreshadowing Anakin's fall into a nuclear reactor shaft or a type of Revenge for the falling into the nuclear reactor shaft which turned Anakin to darkside. The Original name for Return of the Jedi (the tittle is about Vader returning to good) was Revenge of the Jedi (this tittle fits the Revenge for the falling into a nuclear reactor shaft idea).
Darth Vader's OOT Origin of the injuries:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html
The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay tells an alternative story, indicating that Vader fell into a nuclear reactor shaft rather than lava. In this case, his infirmities may have something to do with mutation, radiation sickness and extensive cancer.
Update 4: Edited to make shorter
Note that Lucas had to change main things of the Vader that We know in the OOT to make his Revenge of the Sith's vader.
http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/visualdevelopmentofdarthvader.html
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html#skeleton
note that OOT's Vader has eyebrows, but in the '04 SE dvds, Lucas had the eyebrows removed and also In the '04 SE dvds, added more burn scaring to vader's face.
I once saw a story inwhich Lawrence Kasdan was talking about the unmasked vader and said that Vader was a Mutant. I can not find the story on the web and I wondering if someone remembers it.
Here is a sketch of now an unmasked Vader from ESB: http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/unmaskdrawing.jpg
From all that I have learn it seems that the Vader from ESB was indeed a radiated mutated person.
In the Return of the Jedi novel, Anakin fell into a molten pit, inwhich Anakin's back is burned. In the Return of the Jedi novel, only Anakin's back is said to burn and no details of other places.
Here in the classic back of unmasked vader's head scene from ESB, you can see the burn scaring up the back of his head: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/ldvader2.jpg
but, also in the picture you can see that vader's head has more damage than burn scars.
From all of this , we can put together that the radiated mutated Vader from ESB had been burn up the back, like the vader in the Return of the Jedi novel.
It seem the "lava burns only" vader came sometime after the OOT was made and that the OOT vader's injuries are not made from lava burns only.
So.... in the End, It seems that the vader in OOT was both a radiated mutated person from falling into a nuclear reactor shaft and also had lava burns up his back from falling into a molten.
http://darthvader.blog.dada.net/archive/images/DarthVader.jpg
One of the best pictures of The old radiated mutated Burned Darth Vader from OOT
R.I.P (1976-1984)
wrote skyjedi2005 This :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Do-you-feel-like-this-pre-1977-to-1983-is-the-real-Star-Wars-Canon/topic/9545/
How about Leia's real mother did not originally die and was in hiding.
This is what i put together reading the very small reference in the jedi novelization.
The original idea was probably she was one of the early leaders of the rebellion, was in hiding until palpatine found her when she went to visit her baby on alderaan at the organas and was arrested tried for treason and executed. The drama would have been very strong here because she would expect anakin/vader to protect her from palpatine but he stands back and does nothing when she is put to death. Perhaps she was tortured to find the skywalker heir, or obi wan's hiding place?
These are far better story points than "she died of a broken heart". Like Luke says in that g4 parody "that is retarded" and i have to agree.
What skyjedi2005 wrote has made me want to know more about The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story.
originaltrilogy.com is for Preservation of the OOT films....
So, I'm starting this topic for Preservation Efforts of The Original-Original Trilogy's Prequel Story and to piece the OOT's Prequel Story together.
Let's unlock the secrets of the untold "Original Prequel Trilogy" (OPT).
Cha...Changes:
http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2004/10/is-george-lucas-insane.html
Ewoks in Space (crazy):
http://warlords.swrebellion.com/EWOK_ASSAULT/
A look into george's mind:
http://www.myt-shirts.com/tshirtsweb/images/jarjar_m.jpg
ah...what the.....:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Yowza2.jpg
YODA?..... NO!:
http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc08/Hasbro/TCWbasic/image7.asp
skyjedi2005 is right on the point.
I think George Lucas has gone mad (He is insane) and has gone to the darkside.
The Madness of King George Lucas
1. The color corrections of the '04 DVDs may look good to someone who is .....
INSANE!!!!
2. all the strange changes in the '97 SE and the '04 DVDs seem like the work of a .....
MADMAN!!!!
3. The Jedi Rocks scene from the '97 SE and the '04 DVDs shows that George Lucas is really .....
CRAZY!!!!
4. the '97 SE, the '04 DVDs and The PT proofs that George Lucas has a mind fill with .....
MADNESS!!!!
5. The GOUT DVDs is a work of .....
EVIL!!!!
6. The past 11 years of Star Wars (1997-2008) and George Lucas attacks on the OOT has shown that George Lucas is a .....
INSANE MONSTER!!!!
Oh no..... Somebody on TF.N board is starting to Question How much King George really knows about his own Movies:
http://boards.theforce.net/the_star_wars_saga/b10456/28506135/p1/?57
The mind control systems at TF.N must be down or something?
Now, I ask you the non-TF.N Zombies.... Is George Lucas' mind going or has it been gone for years?
Is the SE and PT proof of The Madness of King George?
Also I think one big thing is to have the New Light-saber blades look and colors match the OOT.
I think it is O.K. to make Vader's Light-saber color Red and not OOT's Pinky-Red.
Luke and Obi-Wan's Blue Light-sabers needs to be OOT's light blue color and not PT's Royal Blue color.
Luke's Green Light-saber needs to look the same at in OOT and not like PT's Green Light-sabers.
The Shape of Light-saber's Blades need to be the same OOT shapes and not PT's Neon Tube look.
A Real Special Edition
How would you Remastered The OOT, If you had Lucas' Money and Power?
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I would Remastered the OOT Only (not 97/06 SE)
I would keep Lucas away from the project, even if I had to do this:
http://www.rebelscum.com/CJ/setup/image20.asp
I would use the classic footage before the effects had been added. (this is something Lucas acts like he does not have, but he does because they had to have use the clean Visual Effects footage to restoration the Visual Effects for the 2006 SE DVDs.)
All footage (also Delete scenes) would be remastered in HD, Then the "DMR" (Digital Remastering) process that allowed conventional films to be upconverted into IMAX format.
I would hire Charles de Lauzirika (2007 Blade Runner DVDs) and Gary Kurtz to produce the project.
I would hire all the OOT Visual Effects artists that I took get to recreate all the Visual Effects and have all of the recreated Visual Effects filmed with IMAX cameras.
I would have John Williams recreate all OOT music and have it Recorded in HD Audio.
I would hire Paul Hirsch to edit all the Footage to recreate the Editing of the OOT.
I would have Weta Digital (not ILM which sucks these days) do some Digital effect if they are needed. Mainly, want to keep the effect to Retro (old-School) Effects, but some lasers, star backgrounds and electric effects maybe better with some Digital Effect as long as they look like the classic effects.
I would keep the colors, look and feel of the film true to the time they were film in. Star Wars with 1970's earth tones in mind. ESB and ROTJ with 1980's muted tones in mind.
This would be a real restoration of the OOT (no new things) and all new footage would only be Shot-By-Shot recreating of Visual Effects from OOT film in IMAX and remastered in HD.
I would also have the Star Wars Holiday Special Remastered too.
I would have it release on Blu-Ray and DVD by IMAX DVD (not FOX DVD).
also on my younger versions of Luke and Leia idea.
It fits for younger versions of Luke and Leia to have a scene or two in My movie Idea.
Obi Wan/Old Ben is watching over Luke.
Bail Organa and his Family are apart of the Rebellion.
It is all foreshadowing
I think if it was to be done, then you do not say who Luke and Leia really are and do not make it big thing that thier are in the movie.
all somebody new to star wars would know is that Luke is just Owen's kid. Obi Wan/Old Ben and Owen know each other.
all somebody new to star wars would know is that Leia is just Bail Organa's kid and Bail Organa is apart of the Rebellion.
I thought of Luke and Leia in the story after I thought about Owen and Bail in it.
I thought of the ideas of Owen having Obi Wan's old Speeder or Obi Wan needing to use Owen's Speeder or Obi Wan needed Owen to drive him into town.
I thought of the idea of Bail Organa as a spy for the Rebellion in the story and he is giving Obi Wan information on Vader whereabouts.
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also on the Obi-wan is in hiding and on the run the Empire that really doesn't sound very exciting to you.
well, I see it as very exciting like spy fiction thriller like the Jason Bourne Movies and way more exciting than GL's EP III
In the past year, My thoughts on Star Wars have been changing to this:
Everything from pre 1977 to 1983 is Canon to me
the classic versions of all three OT films, the deleted scenes from the classic versions of all three OT films, the novelizations of the classic versions of all three OT films, the radio dramas based on the classic versions of all three OT films and any material from this time span (the Expanded Universe and so on from pre 1977 to 1983). I also do not like using "Episode __" in the title of the movies. I call them Star Wars, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. Sometimes I call Star Wars by Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker.
Everything from 1984 to the future is Non-Canon to me
Star Wars been changed to Episode IV A New Hope, using "Episode __" in the title of the movies, The SE, The Prequel trilogy, The Thrawn trilogy, Caravan of Courage, The Battle for Endor, Star Wars: Droids, Star Wars: Ewoks, Star Wars: Clone Wars, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, The up coming live-action series, a future Sequel trilogy and every thing from 1984 to the future is for TF.N lovers and dumb-a**es.
Do Some people on this Site feel like this too ?
Max_Rebo said:2.) Vader is the full real vader from the OT and not Anakin Skywalker played by Hayden Christensen.
Is that really a good thing? Seeing Vader in ROTS was the worst bit of the PT, do you really think having a whole movie of him wouldn't completely destroy the character.
Hunter says: In GL's ROTS, it was not the full real vader from the OT, it was Heyden-Vader. In GL's ROTS, It was the not another actor. also GL's ROTS's Vader sucked becuase it is linked to Heyden's Vader and GL's ROTS's Vader first words are "where's Padme". That what I am saying it need to be more a Prequel to EP IV Idea and not a Sequel to GL's EP II. That what I am saying it need to nine years after other Lucas' bad Films.
3.) It is about the Dark Times inwhich the full real vader from the OT hunts down the jedi and not Anakin Skywalker (vader in name only) played by Hayden Christensen.
well casting is a completely different subject any idea could be ruined by bad casting.
Hunter says: I am not talking casting here. I am talking about it been about the Dark Times. The story I am writing about is years after Anakin Skywalker. Hayden Christensen not playing vader is a side note.
4.) No Padme and her bad lines.
Again writing is could be rubbish regardless of the basic plot
Hunter says: Ok, I am Sorry and i rewrite that.
4.) No Padme which means none of Portman's bad acting. Portman's bad acting and Christensen's bad acting is one of the things which made the Prequels sucked. I thinking with the full real vader from the OT voice by Old James E. Jones (who is a good actor) with a better story then GL's EP III. I mainly writing about making a Better plot.
5.) Obi Wan is in hiding and on the run from the Empire.
So Obi-wan is in hiding, that really doesn't sound very exciting
Hunter says: Obi Wan is in hiding and on the run from the Empire. that really doesn't sound very exciting to you. Yes, the Obi Wan is in hiding is not exciting, but Obi Wan on the run from the Empire is exciting. It means that Obi-wan leaves his hiding planet, in doing so he has to run from and battles the Empire.
The real problem with the idea is what would the story be? all you've specified is a time period, and unfortunately in establish continuity not much is happening during that period, Anakin has already fallen to the darkside and become Vader, the Republic has already fallen to the Empire, the twins are in hidding, their mother is dead and the rebellion has yet to do anything significant as the capture of the Death Star plans was "their first Victory". So all that's really left is the Jedi Purge and watching Vader hunt down Jedi for 2 hours just sound boring.
For me a much more effective way to avoid the continuity errors created by ROTS would be to end the prequels earlier and end on a cliff hanger and then the details of what really happened would be filled in while watching the OT, you would never see Anakin and Obi-wans duel and Vader would only appear in teh OT, but by the end of Episode 6 you would know all the details. This way the PT could focus on Anakin the Hero, the great Warrior.
I principle I think I agree with your intention but I just don't think we need to see Vader before his enterance in Episode 4.
the Jedi Purge and watching Vader hunt down Jedi for 2 hours is not what I am talking about.
Iam talking about:
the rebellions first battles to stop the Empire before EP IV.
Obi-wan leaves his hiding planet, in doing so he has to run from and battles the Empire.
The Empire in full war machine mode.
Vader killing the last of the jedi.
Vader battles Obi-wan and ending in which we think Obi-wan is the last to die. (But, Then in EV IV you learn that Obi-wan did not die.)
I do not like PT too and think we do not need to see Vader before EV IV also.
But, the prequel have been made and all i'm saying is Ep III should have been Better and truer to the OT.
EP III was the last time to made for a good new prequel star Wars film and it failed
Max_Rebo said:
That would have been at least 10 times worse than what we got, truely terrible idea!
No, it is not 10 times worse. It is 11 times Better than EP III.
1.) It does not conflicted with the classic "Leia remembers her real mother" moment of Episode VI or destroy the Classic "Leia is really Luke's Sister" moment of Episode VI or destroy the Classic "I am your Father" moment of Episode V.
2.) Vader is the full real vader from the OT and not Anakin Skywalker played by Hayden Christensen.
3.) It is about the Dark Times inwhich the full real vader from the OT hunts down the jedi and not Anakin Skywalker (vader in name only) played by Hayden Christensen.
4.) No Padme and her bad lines.
5.) Obi Wan is in hiding and on the run from the Empire.
6.) It is a darker time, so an eight year old Leia would darker character than the eight year old Anakin from EP I. also the eight year old Leia is not the main plot like the eight year old Anakin from EP I was.
7.) In the OT, Old ben and Luke knew each other before EP IV. so having Old Ben stop by (maybe to pick-up his old speeder from Luke's uncle) and running across a young Luke fits into the Saga Story Telling. also the eight year old Luke is not the main plot like the eight year old Anakin from EP I was. plus It is Luke and not Anakin.
8.) The movie would have X-wings, Tie-Fighters and other ships from the OT and not the PT Ships.
9.) It is more a Prequel to EP IV Idea than Lucas' EP III was. Lucas' EP III was more a Sequel to his EP II than a to a Prequel to EP IV.
10.) Obi Wan battles the full real vader from the OT and and not Anakin Skywalker (vader in name only) played by Hayden Christensen.
11.) No Hayden Christensen in this movie.
