Hey it's me.

Yep. Still wet behind the ears I'm afraid.

Have no idea what your trying to say Bingo 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

Put this in my original question but got the URL wrong. Updated.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=vnJBW49afzg

This is a very hot topic in Europe at the moment (and some parts of America I understand) Is this just paranoia, or is there really a hidden agenda?

Like C3PS said that's an odd question to ask some literally straight away. That's more of a pillow talk kinda question after you've just slept with a new girlfriend for the first time (when your a teenager). Can't get my head round why the sudden disinterest when you told her 2? Maybe she was scouting for a virgin sacrifice?!?! Lol. Either that or she was on the lookout for a tobacco chewing, goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me. :-D

Reading through the early pages on this thread today and I came across the video that GafferTape posted on here about the Han rescue plot in ROTJ. And something instantly struck me is that how much he looks like Russell Howard!! (He's an English comedian) shrug.

They were basically genesis for the Rik-Viv, Richie-Eddie comedy duo. Brilliant.

Bingowings said:

Okay I'll play :

Loved the Dangerous Brothers! In fact loved anything Rik and Ade were in

I just discovered something curious on Twitter. On George Lucas's official twitter page he has posted a link to a short film (roughly 5 mins long) called 'The Game' and has said that if it gets 100 views or retweets, he may divulge some info about Episode VII. 

I think its that we just seem to live in a dominantly patriarchal society. Otherwise it would be like this  http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=KTX3k7YO9H8

Or untermenschen, as the Germans called them. Look, I've obviously misunderstood the point that's been tried to be put across here but this is the way I see it (and correct me if I'm still way off the mark). Why are we all programmed to adhere an conform to certain sexual stereotypes from a young age when we should be allowed to grow freely and naturally without being told, "right your a boy, and your a girl. And your expected to be like this and your expected to be like that." My argument is that I don't see there being anything wrong with there being a little order to the way things are. Everyone eventually grows and matures to be an individual in their own right. As I've said somewhere before I'm not prejudiced in any way. People are people. We all eat, sleep, shit, fuck whatever. In complete darkness we are all the same, it is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us. 

Bingowings said:

It's all very right on an with it of you to say so but while people are 'harping on' about how women are predetermined to do this or that and men are predetermined to wear this and drink that your respect for the inner person doesn't count for much if she is sent back to the kitchen where she belongs and he is out beating up poofs.

There have been places in the world where opportunities for men and women that seemed to be on the road to parity took a sudden turn for the complete opposite.

Germany between the wars and Persia before the revolution for example.

The glowing inner light of the unconventionally attired is a bit difficult to see from a distant concentration camp or hanging from a gallows.

It's ironic however that Iran now is very accommodating towards the transgendered to the point that homosexual men are having their bits chopped off to avoid being hung by the neck.

I can only talk of my reality and the way I perceive it. And that reality is what truly counts above all else for grown up, emotionally mature adults is personality, intelligence, sense of humour etc. Be it a man or woman. What you allude to may be the case where you live (some rough end of Govan by the sounds of it? Lol) but not me. I live in an ordinary suburb of south London (bordering on Surrey). And some of the strongest characters I know are women. They're fucking hard people. And for your information Bingo. A local bloke came out as being gay a few years ago but no one really batted an eyelid. D'ya know why? Because everyone who knows him knows he's an honest stand up bloke. He's got kids, and he worships the bloody ground they walk on. And he's always been known as a bit of a character. He's funny. His eventual sexual preference means nothing.

And on that bombshell its time to say goodnight, Goodnight! Lol

Bingowings said:

Maasai men wear dresses and makeup to attract women. I suppose that's hormonal?

It's sad to read views of gender so locked to a very narrow cultural lane of space and time already largely past.

I pity those lonely souls left behind and worry where they may drag the rest of us in the future.

 

Your still harping on about make up and skirts when I've quite clearly stated that adults relate to each other through character and intelligence and emotion. Adults (admittedly maybe men) may take the piss if your dressed like that but if they are attracted to your 'character" on a personable level that becomes irrelevant. You could be dressed as a 'stereotypical' man or woman, or as a darlek or a Cylon or whatever it doesn't matter as long as your strength of personality shines through above all else. And personality for adults is not shown through what you choose to dress in. That is a fact.

Did you just read my last post? 

Well, your talking about conforming to stereotypes your brainwashed into following as children. What I'm saying is as an adult you may dress like you've been programmed to (i mean come on, big deal lol) but your emotional and mental strength and intelligence and individual character is what defines you as an adult. And as adults, that is what we relate to on a personal level with each other. And those are traits that cannot be indoctrinated.

What I'm trying to convey is that not every character conforms to the sexist stereotype your alluding to. If you grow up and mature into an adult and are convinced through so called brainwashing as a child that women are weak and only care about flowers and shit then your a weak minded fool. Women are mentally and emotionally stronger than men are and that is a widely held belief in the UK. So bearing THAT in mind, what are you trying to say? 

TheBoost said:

Hey, it's me. said:

No your reading way too much into it Gaffer. There's no hidden agenda behind something being universally liked. Look at the film Gladiator. That film was liked by both men and women for entirely different reasons. That's just an example. Music is another. Explain to me how comes everyone can like music no matter who or what you are? Is music purposefully decreed so that only men like this and women like that? No it isn't is it. These things are examples. Not toys and clothes.

Music and movies aren't made that way?? I'll tell that to all the male students at the local high school that they can wear their "Bieber Fever" shirts while they go to see "Sex and the City 2." 

There's no hidden agenda. You're right. The agenda is plain to see and obvious. The film novel "Princess of Mars" was made into a movie called "John Carter" because the word "princess" would mean only girls could see it. 

"Salt" was a movie written for a male lead. When they cast Angelina Jolie and genderswapped it, they had to rewrite the ending because if a wife saved her husband, he would be too emasculated, and it would ruin the movie. 

The system of institutionalized sexism is all around, it affects both sexes, and it's not at all hard to see. 

The examples you use aren't exactly adult movies are they. Ripley from the Alien films is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Adult films for adults, not teenage guff.

Gaffer you are way too philosophical for me my friend. :-)

No your reading way too much into it Gaffer. There's no hidden agenda behind something being universally liked. Look at the film Gladiator. That film was liked by both men and women for entirely different reasons. That's just an example. Music is another. Explain to me how comes everyone can like music no matter who or what you are? Is music purposefully decreed so that only men like this and women like that? No it isn't is it. These things are examples. Not toys and clothes.

My top 5 horrors of all time.

1. The Exorcist

2. The Shining

3. Evil Dead (original)

4. Dawn of the Dead (original)

5. Funny Games (remake) 

TheBoost said:

Hey, it's me. said:

 

Men like what they like and women like what they like but i dont view that as an oppressive notion. Now obviously certain things will cross those boundaries where things can be liked by everybody. 

 

Warbler said:

Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that maybe there is something instinctual/hormonal/whatever  in men and women that make men more predisposed to liking things like Star Wars and make women more predisposed to liking Disney P

 

 

It's convienient that naturally girls and boys like exactly what we raise them to like, expect them to like, market to them to like, and punish them if they don't like. 

Genetics sure conveniently fits with 21st century Western cultural norms. 

Rather that than the Islamic idea of what a woman's place is in society. Western cultural norms may not be perfect, but you name me ONE society on this earth where women are treated as equals more than the west? 

Ryan McAvoy said:

Yes to British ears those accents sound damned menacing in the context of that seedy Cantina. Like the bartender is a futureistic Kray era gangster. Same with Dr Evizan's cockney accent sounding better in the rough cut. I end up imagining that if Ben hadn't pulled out his Sabre they were gonna give Luke a Chelsea smile lol

^ "You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems"

Although obviously David Prowse's voice needed changing... a Bristol Vader would have been frickin' insane.

Yeah Prowse was the green cross code man wasnt he! Getting flashbacks of the adverts as I'm typing this! Ha ha.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRUBMBi_lp4

Maybe that would've been a good, and subtle parody. Having them both look almost identical lol

Gaffer Tape said:

Really?  You can vouch for the British that theirs has always been a society free of gender prejudice and limiting gender roles?  I'm not an expert on British history, but, and without malice, I'd say your perspective has provided quite a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Men like what they like and women like what they like but i dont view that as an oppressive notion. Now obviously certain things will cross those boundaries where things can be liked by everybody. The one factor that overrides everything is how smart you are and THAT is what really matters above all else. Some men are smarter than women, some women are smarter than men.