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Heilemann

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#777388
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Kitbashed
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team_negative1 said:

There's not enough other material in this to make it really interesting. We were hoping there would be more footage of other films.

The majority of the film, is still just Star Wars. Hope you plan to put more into it.

Team Negative1

Well, it wasn't really made to be 'interesting', as much as to be truthful about the influences. You can go read http://kitbashed.com for a deeper dive into the influences, many of which can't easily be represented in a video.

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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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msycamore said:

Heilemann said:

What makes you think I'm not working for Apple?

Sorry, it was a bad joke. I sincerely like you Heilemann. :) But I must say your comments on the last few pages starts sounding like someone not particularly happy with this fan-base...

 

Don't worry, I got it ;)

I do take issue with the knee jerk portion of the fanbase, which manages to turn any and all conversation into Lucas bashing. I find that unproductive and profoundly ignorant.

I'm personally interested in the examination of the material itself; in the fanedit community and the historians, who actually contribute something to the conversation. That adds value, rather than noise and cynicism (that was why I embarked on Kitbashed in the first place).

It's very interesting to me to evaluate this new material and how it changes our perception of how the movies were made, or who the people working on them were at the time. It's completely uninteresting to me to have another swing at the Lucas/Kurtz piñata, and oh isn't it strange how the movies became worse after Empire etc.

It is interesting to me why the quality of the storytelling and the tone of the movies changed; and those reasons are rarely as simple "Lucas is stupid/greedy/megalomaniacal/etc! Oh, how everything was better with Kurtz around."

I see it as film history, and I don't see the worth it hammering on the same nail over and over. Especially without a few beers around.

<3

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#665707
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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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ray_afraid said:

Tack said:

God, Lucas was already in his control-freak phase during ROTJ wasn't he? I mean, that Black Friday thing was terrible of him!

Heilemann said:

Well you say that without having seen what was thrown out. Besides, coming off of the quagmire of Empire, it's not so strange, and the end result speaks for itself.

What's this all about?

It was about calling attention to the fact that Lucas had every right to be a control freak if that's what he was. It was his movie, which he had poured an ungodly amount of money into, and which every person in the world was waiting for; if that's not a good time to be a control freak, when is?

And as for Black Friday, I merely wanted to point out that you can't rightly call it unfair when you don't know what was rejected. The movie was probably a lot better for it.

That's all.

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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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canofhumdingers said:

They were certainly rare, but did exist. If you spend some time on google you'll find out about the more famous accounts. The following link provides a decent general overview of what is known.

http://www.military-history.org/articles/samurai-wars/female-samurai-warriors.htm

That's very interesting, thanks. But, the occasional aberrant female samurai aside, the point stands that samurai and indeed warriors in general, has throughout history been a primarily male profession.

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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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It does shed light on it, although I forget the details just now. It didn't happen on the set, however it does highlight that there was a specific change in the inflection of how Vader used the word, to taunt Luke.

In fact, there is a running gag of people who accidentally find out that Leia is Luke's sister, even though it was supposed to be kept under tight wraps. One is Anthony Daniels having fallen asleep behind a log, and when he wakes up he hears them talk about it, thinking "Crap, I shouldn't have heard that. I'm just going to pretend to be asleep", as well as someone walking into a post-production screening of the film seeing the revelation. Lucas sat him down and promised her that if she in any way, shape or form revealed this to anyone, he would kill her. :D

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#664000
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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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timdiggerm said:

Heilemann said:

So Lucas mythologized his creation of the Star Wars story, so what? For how long does he have to have his nose rubbed in that?

On this board? Probably forever. sigh

Yeah, I'm afraid so too.

Look, we've all read Secret History (and if you haven't... why not?). Let's stop pretending that any of this 'Lucas saying one thing and then turning around later and saying something else' being news at this point. 

Anyway, didn't mean to derail the thread.

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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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ATMachine said:

Never hurts to ram the idea into people's heads some more. ;)

I disagree. I'm not trying to poop on anyone's cereal, this is the internet, so believe me when I'm not trying to be all shouty and mean. But by this point, it's pretty obvious that every single detail wasn't laid out in The Journal of the Whills in 1975. If anything, Rinzler's work with The Making Of books has shined a great big light on the process of making the movies, including the creation of the stories themselves.

No, he didn't write all nine movies in 1975, but he *did* lay out a *lot* of details including an overarching story that he has remained true to. When you go back into the Making of books in particular, it's noteworthy just how many of the then abandoned concepts that Lucas went back to and put into the prequels.

So Lucas mythologized his creation of the Star Wars story, so what? For how long does he have to have his nose rubbed in that? After all, wasn't that part of the magic back in the day, dreaming of all twelve, nine or six movies? Of course it was. Half of the joy of Star Wars was Lucas and Lucasfilm and the mythology of those companies and Lucas as a person.

Remember that Lucas himself signed off on these books. They're not some kind of 'exposé'; they're the official story of the making of, approved by Lucas, published by LucasBooks.

This is the official story.

<3

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Making of Return of the Jedi (the book) Thread
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ATMachine said:

Pfluegermeister at TFN notes that in the November 1, 1981 revised second draft of ROTJ, Luke delivers this line to the Emperor:

"Never! Never will I turn to the dark side. You have failed, your highness. I am a Jedi as my father was before me, and as his father was before him."

The November 1 revised second-draft script was one where Lucas took Kasdan's typewritten second draft and added his own handwritten revisions. Thus, Lucas himself was responsible for this line.... which entirely excludes the possibility of a virgin birth for Anakin.

But since it isn't in the movie, what's your point? That Lucas should commit to ideas that ended up on the writing room floor?