https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185
It is in the 1st post BTW.
Yeah, I learned the hard way, that the order in which you do things is very important - e.g. you definitely want to do any despotting before doing any denoising, because when I had Laserschwert do the denoising on the clips first and then I went in and manually painted out the spots, all the spots now stayed for 3-5 frames instead of one, which was a pain in the ass to paint out manually and I imagine, that it would totally throw any automatic despotter.
And I suppose, you'd want to do the stabilization first too.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I currently don't have any of the new clips yet, so I think I will start experimenting with this, once I get some - I just wanted to get ahead of it.
Yeah, I did. The problem is, it still gets thrown by the action in the shot, as tries to get the moving objects to stay stable, because it was designed for stabilizing camera moves. Plus there is actually very little tuning that you can do.
Yeah, it's good for shaky camera but it totally sucks for gate weave.
AntcuFaalb said:
Harmy said:
the main thing that I need and that is removing spots and dirt.
This is rather difficult to automate. Even programs like PFClean mess up... a lot. I would know, as I've spent many, many hours dirt cleaning with PFClean.
With that being said, the best Avisynth plugin for this is the old RemoveDirt plugin: http://avisynth.org.ru/docs/english/externalfilters/removedirt.htm
If you want to do it right, then you'll have to do it shot-by-shot, using show=1 to make sure that it didn't clean a block it shouldn't have.
I suggest studying the hell out of the documentation. You really need to get a good sense for how the algorithm works in order to choose the right values.
Harmy said:
...it doesn't really matter, if it mistakenly erases other details, like stars and stuff like that, since I would then only utilize the cleaned up version for manual cleanup in After Effects.
Yeah, I did a Google search before posting here and found that but that's way over my head - I'm really going to need a more basic step-by-step kind of thing.
Plus it seems that that guy's script doesn't do the main thing that I need and that is removing spots and dirt. And I don't need color correction, or sharpening or anything like that - I can do all that easier with AE, so the only thing of interest from that script is the stabilization but for me that script is far too complex to be able to extract just the stabilization part from it.
I still couldn't currently afford it for that price but even if I could, like I said, I tried it and couldn't get it to work - It got really frustrating after hours of unsuccessfully trying to get it to do anything at all.
OK, so since it seems like I'll be working with an increasing number of film-based sources, I'd really like to learn how to do film cleanup and I don't even know where to begin. What I want is basic denoising for when I need to match grain-levels to other sources but mainly, I need a way, to automatically remove dirt and spots - it doesn't really matter, if it mistakenly erases other details, like stars and stuff like that, since I would then only utilize the cleaned up version for manual cleanup in After Effects.
Oh and some good image stabilization, which would only remove gate-weave would also be totally awesome.
Doing this kind of thing in After Effects is less than ideal, since it was never made for film-restoration and I also tried PF Clean and I just couldn't get it to work but I couldn't afford the full version of PF Clean anyway, so I'd really like to learn how to do by myself what Laserschwert has been doing for me so far, so that I don't have to bother him with it. So I guess my question really is how to do this sort of thing in Avisynth.
If you can help, please respond in the thread in the how-to section here.
OK, so since it seems like I'll be working with an increasing number of film-based sources, I'd really like to learn how to do film cleanup and I don't even know where to begin. What I want is basic denoising for when I need to match grain-levels to other sources but mainly, I need a way, to automatically remove dirt and spots - it doesn't really matter, if it mistakenly erases other details, like stars and stuff like that, since I would then only utilize the cleaned up version for manual cleanup in After Effects.
Oh and some good image stabilization, which would only remove gate-weave would also be totally awesome.
Doing this kind of thing in After Effects is less than ideal, since it was never made for film-restoration and I also tried PF Clean and I just couldn't get it to work but I couldn't afford the full version of PF Clean anyway, so I'd really like to learn how to do by myself what Laserschwert has been doing for me so far, so that I don't have to bother him with it. So I guess my question really is how to do this sort of thing in Avisynth.
If you can help, please respond in the thread in the how-to section here.
OK, so since it seems like I'll be working with an increasing number of film-based sources, I'd really like to learn how to do film cleanup and I don't even know where to begin. What I want is basic denoising for when I need to match grain-levels to other sources but mainly, I need a way, to automatically remove dirt and spots - it doesn't really matter, if it mistakenly erases other details, like stars and stuff like that, since I would then only utilize the cleaned up version for manual cleanup in After Effects.
Oh and some good image stabilization, which would only remove gate-weave would also be totally awesome.
Doing this kind of thing in After Effects is less than ideal, since it was never made for film-restoration and I also tried PF Clean and I just couldn't get it to work but I couldn't afford the full version of PF Clean anyway, so I'd really like to learn how to do by myself what Laserschwert has been doing for me so far, so that I don't have to bother him with it. So I guess my question really is how to do this sort of thing in Avisynth.
Yes, I agree with this. With the right nostalgia-inducing marketing, I think the OOT could be a huge seller.
@pittrek: I might, yeah
@Hostmaster: That project is only to make the prequel HDTV/BDs look more like film, not to return them to the original cuts.
Not really, unfortunately - probably somewhere between a couple of weeks and couple of months (I hope the former but there's no guarantee).
Well, that was the original plan but since they already promised to give them to me, it just seems like a terrible amount of work to try and despecialize all those shots, only to have to do it again soon after, so I will be waiting for the N1 sources, however long it takes for them to be delivered.
RE Adywan: If that's really the case and they do actually have some sort of a 97SE HD master (they could have just been upscales of the anamorphic transfers - HDTV channels have definitely been know to do that kind of thing) which would mean they could just dump them on disc and put them in the box, then I think it would be a no-brainer.
Same for Czech, I think, only it was done for DVD.
Wow! Nice! I especially love the last image.
The GOUT treatment for '97SE would certainly be interesting - it wouldn't be anywhere near the quality it could be with a proper remaster but unlike the GOUT, the original '97 master tapes, (which were the sources of those '97SE broadcasts we have now) would make for a decent anamorphic DVD.
adywan said:
I hadn't seen that harmy had posted a mock-up ( was that in here?) so i haven't checked that out yet.
The 97SE elements are also stuck at 2K, only with the additional degradation of being put on film and then scanned back in, so up-scaling the 2004 and 2011 additions, while maybe doing something to make them look more like film (kind of like what emanswfan did here) would be no less professional, than scanning in the '97SE elements, since that is basically just upscaling from 2K too, only using different (and less detail-preserving) method.
Yes but I decided to do the whole trilogy at once, when it's done.
Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure they should be.
It was actually a printscreen of MPC upscaling it but I applied some sharper settings than I normally use, thinking it will show off the quality of the downscale even better but I didn't notice the artifacts at the time.
ONCE AGAIN - the script has nothing to do with the upscaling, it was used for the downscaling - on both this and the first comparison.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that as well :-)