Harmy

Well, I mean small budget compared to big Hollywood animation movies. And the sort of squareness and painted-like textures are what I'm talking about in terms of visual style - Rebels looks like it's attempting to emulate the look of stuff like Frozen and failing miserably, because the budget is far too small for that style of animation.

I disagree completely - I'm not big fan of TCW but they were able to take that low budget and instead of making futile attempts at being like big-time movie CG animation, they made virtue out of necessity by creating a unique visual style. Rebels just looks like a cheap generic Disney style imitation.

Right?

Well, the second one was seriously mediocre :-( And the animation somehow seemed even worse.

I like it.

Yes, I checked and with TCW the 16:9 TV broadcasts were definitely cropped from 2.35:1. The 2.35:1 gives it a more epic film-like feel somehow.

I wonder if the home video releases will also be 2.35:1, like TCW.

OK, so I've finally seen the pilot and I must say I agree with the prevalent opinion - while the character design and animation are pretty bad and there were some cringe-worthy moments, the over-all story was quite engaging and above all, fun, so I think I will definitely give this show a shot :-)

Yes and in several shots in ESB as well. Plus it seems that the Jedi prints are nicer than the ones used in SW and ESB.

I used TS Muxer and made functioning BDs of both SW and ESB for a friend with all of the sound tracks intact.

Funny, that picture was made by me like 5 years ago :-)

Really? It's pretty clever but aesthetically I don't like it at all - I really want Guardians of the Galaxy in steelbook, so I really hope they will release it with some better design.

The latter.

Boy, am I glad I didn't watch it now :-)

Yeah, that was a tough one - I think I could be able to stabilize it better this time but I hope to have a 35mm source for it anyway.

I actually hope to ideally have a 35mm source for everything and for v2.0 I plan to just do a quick cleanup of the whole shots without trying to rotoscope them into the BD footage and then for v2.5, I plan to use those cleaned shots to actually despecialize the BD shots where it's likely to give better results (like the Sarlacc and the eyebrows) because integrating the 35mm shots into the BD shots will be much harder than just cleaning them up, since the 35mm shots will likely have to be stabilized manually frame by frame, so that they have the same weave as the BD shots.

I'm really hoping to get 35mm sources there.

Wazzles said:

Harmy said:

I'm not sure what you mean. The 2004 SE lightsabers in the Vader Ben duel are recomposited original elements (at least for the most part) and the RMV video seems to be exactly the same way, just with much better colors.

 So I'd much rather talk about this than whatever the hell Maxim Recoil is on about, even if it has been done to death. So in the OUT (at least in the GOUT and 95 tapes), Ben's lightsaber's rotoscoping seems to "fizzle out". This was fixed in the 2004 SE (as in this picture: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PxX2nzQ2rM/TIkhT1Yj8XI/AAAAAAAAcjM/GInu6VOLyNE/w1045-h899-no/Comp-096.jpg). Was this a part of the original element and/or in the IB print you saw?Or was it recreated digitally?

 That is exactly the part because of which I said "at least for the most part" - they did add new digital color-glows to a few shots where the glows were missing completely in the original - why they didn't also fix the core going dim in that shot is a total mystery to me.

 Could the look just be a result of their cleanup techniques? If that were the case, then it would still be possible that this is an OUT work.

I can't imagine that possibly happening - the glows in both the '04SE and the RMW video are either digitally recreated or they are recomposited but kept much more in focus than in the original compositing (when they originally made that effect, they animated the glows as perfectly sharp color "bars" and then printed them out of focus to blur them out - in digital recompositing, they would have to simulate this by adding some kind of blur effect and they obviously added way too little of it compared to the original).

I have a cabinet full of 50GB films. And that is I believe totally normal. What I don't find normal is people settling for shitty video quality, like what iTunes offers - I just saw Black Angel in full iTunes 1080p quality and I must say that if Star Wars OOT was only released murdered by compression like that, I'd rather watch the GOUT.

I believe that this has been discussed to death somewhere in this thread too.

If they did recomposite the effects, it would no longer be the original version - how much it would bother individual people is a different question but it would irrefutably no longer be the original version.

I'm not sure what you mean. The 2004 SE lightsabers in the Vader Ben duel are recomposited original elements (at least for the most part) and the RMV video seems to be exactly the same way, just with much better colors.

Short Round said:

Harmy said:

now I've compared the sabres there with a scan of an I.B. Print and the glows are definitely not the originals, which were much more diffused but the cores actually look very close

What do the originals look like? I always remembered the video tapes being the fat cores of the lightsabers. 

 Yeah, in the I.B. scan, the thickness of the cores is pretty much the same as in that RMV video but the glow is far far more diffused - there is no clear edge to the glows - at least in the shot I was comparing.

I was getting ready to type up an answer to that but the whole post is just so unbelievably illogical (as well as misinformed), that the idea of trying to refute it just makes me a little nauseous.

I slept on it and am now bored with the conversation, because it keeps going in circles and I hate repeating myself... :-D

I guess it could be the NTSC-PAL conversion (my GOUT disc is PAL) or the fact, that it isn't exactly the same frame.

And you don't need a massive screen, you just need to get closer to a smaller one.

Here's another great example from the same screenshot:
LEFT: GOUT in its native resolution
RIGHT: BD scaled down to GOUT's resolution:



Upscaled:

And just for fun, here's the same image from DVD transfers of PAL LD (Right) and PAL VHS!!!! (Left):

Upscaled: