Harmy

Chewtobacca said:

Harmy, I am not suggesting that each archival version should have different colors.  I am suggesting that Bladerunner had an original color timing.  I do not think the 1997 DC DVD was trying to establish a different look for that particular version: I think it just transferred the film, with the DC changes, but ended up with too red a color palette.  In short, I think there is an original color timing, reproduced with varying degress of success on the various releases, and a new color timing for the FC, nothing in between.

 

That is the question, isn't it? Take for instance the 2004 SE of ESB. Would it still be the actuall 2004 SE if it wasn't blue all over?

There were also fixes in the FC that were not on the archival releases, so it is not the same transfer.

I don't remember where he said it (maybe on the FC docs or comentary) but he said that the old non enhanced FX shots didn't look as good as the rest of the film because they didn't go through the cleaup the rest of the print did for the FC.

Well, from what I rememeber mr. Scott saying somewhere, it is all the same transfer, only the digital colour correction was done separately for the FC.

Also, if I remember correctly, the DC was not shown theatrically (at least not widely) so actually the 1997 DVD (which is the same master as the original LD, which along with the VHS was the original presentation of the Director's Cut, which Ridley Scott had very little to do with) is a precise reference for this particular version of the film.

So broken down, each version had different colouring, so it couldn't be achived through seemless branching to have the right colours for every version. Can anyone here remember what Blade Runner looked like colour-wise on it's initial release and tell us which version is the closest? Because for all I know the 06 or 07 transfers may actually have colours closer to the original release of the film than the possibly crewed up LD DC transfer...

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Hal 9000 said: It seems a difficult thing to have TTT end with Shelob, unless the intercutting between story strands gets way out of chronology.

It probably does (to be honest, I don't remember the chronogy from the books and there both story strands are separate anyway.) The only time thongs are definitely happening in both strands at the same time is the Minas Morgul scene and I just cut out the Gandalf part out of that for TTT and will have to cut around it somehow in ROTK. I tried to keep some day/night chronology of the scenes in TTT though...

OK, TTT is finished. In the end I managed to cut it down to 3hrs 30min 28sec at 23.976 fps (10 minutes of which are the ending titles).

I decided to encode two DVD5s insted of one DVD9. That gives me about 700MB extra space over a DVD9 and it will also cut the burning costs as 2 HQ DVD5 are still much cheaper than 2 HQ DVD9.

There may still be some very minor glitches in the sound (I've always said I'm not much of a sound editor) but I'm quite satisfied with the outcome and to me it is a better version of the movie.

One problem of course is that as of now it can't be watched as a part of a trilogy until I make ROTK, because there are many scenes from ROTK put in TTT.

Another thing I'm thinking about and would appreciate some suggestions on is how to name these edits. TTT is definitelly closer to the book now, but ROTK probably won't be, so I really don't know...

I don't know, I think that even with the DVNR the GOUT is still superior to any VHS out there. It seems the only way to get better results from a VHS/LD era medium could be a very very good capture of the 1995 PAL LD. Or maybe some kind of combination of the 92, 93 and 95 LDs. Make a really good (X0 style) capture and go through them shot by shot and for each shot use the version that looks the best. But I'm not sure it's worth the effort, it would still be an old nonanamorphic transfer, probably sourced from the same worn IP print, so the quality difference wouldn't be that great. But just looking at the pics I posted above, I'm quite sure a raw transfer of the 1995 PAL LD could beat the GOUT.

Darth Solo said:

What im sugestin is face to face meeting out of all us European mambers just before the big event. That would be fantastic dont you think, if it ever didhappen! Can it happen? Wehere could we do it???

You know what would be awesome? Make it the premier of ESB:R. Rent some kind of projection room with an HD projector and have ESB:R shown from Ady's uncompressed files and then we could all go grab a beer and talk about how awesome it was :-)

Sorry, didn't read through the whole thread so just in response to the 1st post (and keeping to all your rulles about no cash, no cancer cure and stuff):

What I always wanted appart from the OOT was my own professionally equipped cinema big enough to have at least 10m wide screen and to fit in all my friends and familly to have film viewing parties.

But I'd take the OOT over anything of a simmilar kind (other film release stuff) provided it was an exact perfect replication of the original negatives of all three films as they looked on the day of release with all the different theatrically presented soundmixes struck uncompressed from the original mastertapes.

And it better be an OT only set with the awesomest coverart and packaging ever and like three bonus discs for each film...

Preferably a set on some format of the future in uncopressed 4K picture (provided I had the equipment to play it)...

I have the Aliens 720p HDTV capture and man, is it grainy. It is grainy to the point of being annoying and distracting, actually I must say, that to me a sensibly applied modern DVNR would be preferable to that mess, but I doubt that that version was scanned from the o-neg.

PM sent :-)

And if you're dissatisfied with ESB:R only because of this one scene, it would be really easy to just replace it with the same scene from Ady's AVCHD.

Oh, I see, so there are two different masters but they're not the 1993 master and 1995 master, but they are the 1993 PAL and NTSC master? That really is a mystery why they didn't use the obviously superirior PAL master for GOUT (it would at least be higher resolution but as it seems it would also be better in the colour and DVNR aspects). Shame. So wouldn't it be better to use PAL LD for any future preservations?

I would expect them to scan the film only once for PAL and then downscale the resolution for ntsc...

Oh, yeah, it is. Does that make a difference?

OK, I have read several people here say that the 1995 THX “One Last Time” release was sourced from the same master as the 1993 Definitive Collection and consequently the GOUT. Also it has been said that it is the 1993 master that is corrupted by the horrible DVNR smearing present on GOUT, which causes the 4 eyed stormies and other stuff like that. But I just checked my 1995 widescreen THX VHS capture and guess what? No 4 eyed stormtrooper, no smearing (or at least far from the amout seen on GOUT). Here’s a proof:

Also note, that the framing is slightly different and so are the colours (nicer and more vibrant on the VHS, though admitedly a bit too red).

In the second picture note the guys passing the speeder, especially his legs.

To me it seems like it might be a different (and better) transfer after all.

No problem, man, PM sent...

With most of these, I think you're talking to the wrong man ;-) I didn't do any colour correction on SW and ESB, exept for some of the integrated old shots to fit the colours of Ady's colour corrected SE AVCHDs, which were the main picture source . The digital artefacting in SW you describe is a known problem with Ady's AVCHD and is probably caused by the colour correction, but I'd take Ady's colours with a bit more artefacting over the 2004 SE anytime.

I can't take practically any credit for Empire as the picture is just one Ady's product patched with another Ady's product. And the 5.1 sound is taken directly from Ady's reconstruction and the 2.0 sound is taken directly from GOUT. I just spliced it all together.

So basically all I can account for is what I didn't change: 

I always quite liked the added Cloud City windows and as long as they don't create glaring continuity errors, they don't bother me. And most of the fixed CC window shots in Ady's reconstruction were quite obviously GOUT sourced, which I wouldnt mind if they bothered me but they don't, sorry.

As for that shot in the picture, I must say I was thinking about replacing it but decided against it in the end, don't exactly remember why, to be honest.

OK, I wanted to make a list here, but I'm just gonna direct you here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Little-Men-Little-Wars-Share-Your-Star-Wars-Collection/post/411013/#TopicPost411013

A B C said:

... And Harmy, perhaps if you manage to find a little less sick avatar you'll make us all feel better... :)

I don't know,  I kinda like this one, it makes a lot of sense:

1) My forum name used to be Lord__Vader when I was mostly a lurker but then, when I wanted to release a project I asked Jay if it could be changed to a name I usually go by on-line. I ceased to be Lord__Vader and became Harmy and the avatar reflects that.

2) It actually shows my face (well, not my whole face but my eyes and nose, but you'd know me if we met in person).

3) It's a classic STAR WARS moment.

4) I usually find it really confusing when people change their avatars.

Oh, come on, I didn't advertise in other threads much (actually I don't remember if I ever did) and he did ask about a ROTJ edit, so why not offer mine?  I'm told it's the only one of the kind for ROTJ :-)

There is no ROTJ edit by ADYWAN but if you're interested in an edit similar to this of ROTJ, you may wanna check my ROTJ Partly Despecialized Edition (see the link in my sig).

I'm almost scared to say this here, but if there's no OOT, I'm most probably not buying them... but if they prove to be a lot better than the current HD broadcasts I just might obtain them some other way (you can believe I mean getting them for x-mas if you choose to) to use them for a new version of my PARTLY DESPECIALIZED EDITION. And having bought the STAR WARS TRILOGY exactly 10 times now (8x on VHS 2x on DVD) I think it's not gonna haunt my concience.

Wow, this is just sad (especially considering there are people who might read this and take it seriously):

Lucas had less than $ 1 (one) million U.S. dollars to hire a film director for The Empire Strikes Back. The first choices Lucas wanted to direct The Empire Strikes Back turned Lucas down instantly because they weren't willing to direct The Empire Strikes Back for a tiny, tiny paltry salary.

Lucas didn't hire Irvin Kershner (Kersh) to direct The Empire Strikes Back because Lucas wanted it to be so. Lucas basically had no choice. Unfortunately, Lucas could either hire the very, very extremely economically cheap Kersh to direct The Empire Strikes Back or Lucas would have to direct the sequel to A New Hope himself.

Since filming A New Hope was a nightmare experience for Lucas, Lucas couldn't convince himself to direct again. The results were nearly catastrophic for Star Wars. Kersh's utter incompetence resulted in The Empire Strikes Back earning less than HALF the stellar unlimited box office gross in multiplexes of A New Hope.

In the end, the worst mistake Lucas has so far made in life is deciding NOT to direct The Empire Strikes Back himself. After the dreadful and disappointing results of The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas wrote and directed each movie episode of the Star Wars prequel trilogy in order to give Star Wars fans the genius vision of master film maker Lucas that they deserve.