Yeah, I'm gonna leave the SE there, it doesn't seem to be worth it.
Unless there's enough people who'd like to see that mistake recreated?
Well, in order to do that, he could basically do what I'm doing and make a fake original by just cutting the scenes that were changed into the SE, leaving the re-comped shots in there, which would mean they'd have to scan and clean up about half of the shots they'd have to to make a proper restoration that way (not to mention scanning and restoring the whole film, which would be optimal but most complicated and expensive) and that's what I'm afraid might happen :-(
That's why it's all so sad and frustrating.
Here it is:
@bluespill: Oh, that, yeah, I can't do anything about that :-(
The pink sabre I'll try to fix but can't guarantee results.
The flashes, like I said I'm still considering. There's like a million of them in the film, it would be a pain in the ass but maybe.
On a happier note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FscknS_rCY
I just couldn't sleep soundly knowing I didn't give that shot all the effort I could :-)
The new Tatooine pan-down video coming soon.
That's insanely awesome :-)
Thanks :-)
Yeah, congrats :-) But I'm quite happy that we at least kicked the Russians' ass for the second time in this championship (7:4) and third place is still nice :-)
Wow, that looks awesome, could someone please PM me where and how to get this?
Thanks.
Just try putting it side by side with the 2004 version and you'll see that it's actually very different for the most part.
And flesh tones are the thing I'm concerned with, if you'd find some rather jarring case, please report it. I may or may not agree but it's better than me not noticing something I'd have liked to fix :-)
Thank you!!! That's how I imagined the feedback to look :-)
Well, what I'm seeing is that in GOUT the blue is overall of more purple tone (on R2, the pod and the sky) which I think is caused by the red shift of GOUT.
About the red sky, I tried to go back to red but it just wasn't possible to achieve through colour correction and it was a bitch to rotoscope (and I did try) so I decided to just leave it.
While cutting the Battle of Yavin sequence, I discovered that this shot was zoomed in in the SE:
So I changed it back using GOUT but it was one of those shots I though stood out quite a lot. And now, when viewing the WP, I found out that the reason they zoomed it in was that the same shot was reused later in the sequence, so I can just take it from there. AWESOME!
Thanks :-)
Here's the new cantina matte:
Well, some of the OOT footage is OK looking but most of it is shit and there's a lot of 97SE there - I think they may have scanned some stuff from some 1997 IP or something - don't forget that the 97SE was colour-timed using a Technicolour print, so the shots on the 97SE IP should be very close to OOT.
And Boba Fett had his original voice in 97SE and I think the EoD doc was in production before they started making the 04 additions to 97SE.
That shouldn't be a problem to do using TS Muxer, if you go through my PDE thread, there (somewhere within the first 10 pages or so) is a tutorial on how to apply an audio fix to an old version of ROTJ - you'd do it the same way.
Thank you guys :-)
The colouring looks off for much of the movie? I was actually really satisfied with the colouring for much of the movie. How does it look off? I'm not being an ass here, I'm really interested.
For Ben's hut, I used Dark Jedi's awesome upscaled GOUT, sharpened it a bit more and cleaned up the sky, which was really grainy in GOUT.
Yeah, I decided to use the GOUT enhanced with HD elements for the Y-Wing matte, because it was shortened by about a half in the SE. And I also had to use the previous shot from GOUT. Would people prefer something to the effect of the PDE solution for this?
The cantina exterior matte looked pretty bad on the GOUT, so the Dewback used from there stood out. I decided to replace it with the Dewback from the next shot, which was much higher quality. It's not perfectly acurate but it blended in better. Is this an issue? I can change it back to the original Dewback.
As to the lightsabres, I did notice that myself and I'm afraid there's not much I can do about it. And yeah, it definitely a 2004 issue, they recomped all the lightsabres.
And the GOUT shots are already sharpened plenty. When you sharpen it any more it starts looking like shit. Anyway, shapness isn't really an issue here as much as the stars flickering and smearing and stuff. But I don't know if testers will agree with me but I think that most of the GOUT shots blend really well.
Two new battle of Yavin shots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGG_KfVNWA
It's not much of an improvement but it's a bit better.
I can't see the pic for some reason but I assume it's the one on R2 and 3P0 in Tantive IV corridor, if that's the case, the same print was used for the NTSC version too but the NTSC version had heavier DVNR, which concealed it but when you look closely you can see where it was.
@Mentasm: Sorry for the strong words man, I had no idea you were a member. I seriously loved your comparisons at the time (although I disagree with some of the comments) but they're just outdated now. Check out 005's comps:
@ Hal: Yeah, I'm aware of the Tatooine reveal problem, but the only way to fix it is to start the pan down later or to slow it down, the first would cause the pan to be out of cue and the other would make it jittery, I'll test it out and post some samples but I'm afraid it's just gonna have to stay this way.
I used Ady's AVCHD for the duel, because he fixed the blade colour inconsistencies, so that might be it, although I tried making the colour-timing consistent with the rest, it's probably not perfect. But I was still going to go through the duel and tweak the colour some more anyway.
Also, did you by any chance convert it to 23.976fps before watching, because in the WP 1:21 isn't the duel yet, it's when Obi-Wan is leaving the tractor beam.
Dream on! That would have to be 4 layer BD and as far as I know, nothing like that is commercially available yet and probably won't be any time soon, because the current players couldn't play it.
^This :-)
But I agree with S_Matt on the CGI FX, nowadays CGI can (that doesn't mean it always does) produce very realistic FX. My only problem with it is that it has no place in a film from the 70s.
Thank you, guys, I appreciate your help.
I'm still kind of torn on the flashes. Colour correcting single frames like that is a bit complicated and time consuming. But I might try.
To the colours, I'm really not quite sure what exactly you mean, like I said, the vague comments like that aren't really helpful, I need concrete shot times to check it out. But I'm trying to go by the Technicolour pics and the 70mm scans rather than the GOUT, as it is really screwed up for SW, it needs a boost for the real colours to show through but not the same boost throughout.
The crushed black are sadly unsalvagable and the 04SE is the only available HD source and in all likelyhood the BluRays will be the same. But to me, the crushed blacks are only really distracting in a few dark scenes, like inside the sandcrawler.
As to the audio, there will be quite a few soundtracks but the 97SE won't be one of them, because it wouldn't sync because of the changes and I have no idea about sound editing and there are several excellent mixes (such as hairy_hen's 70mm 5.1 reconstruction or Belbucus' mono mix restoration) readily available to sync with this project.
Well, it normally downloads at around 300Kbps, which is quite standard in terms of filesharing sites - and the upload is really quick, because you can upload up to 2GB files.
@ S_Matt: Now you've done it. You actually made me howl with frustration, because your post started so well and then it went down from there.
S_Matt said:
Some say that only the final version of the film with all the effects elements baked into it should be cleaned up.
I say that only the final version with all the effects baked into it is the final version and therefore is the only version that can be called a preservation.
I say, if you got as many separate elements as you could and reassembled the film you could do a far better job restoring the film to a pristine state.
No, you could do a far better job enhancing the film.
The definition of a term isn't always an exact one.
I tested out some of those shots and the only one I'll end up trying to improve is this one (GOUT top, DesEd bottom):
Sadly it looks better as a still than it does in movement because I wasn't able to get rid of the flickering of the stars because the starfield is rotating in a weird way and I just couldn't manage to track it's movement believably.