Harmy

Well, bolts I'd have to rotoscope, for the flashes I can just colour correct the whole frame.

No, not bolts, only the flashes when the bolts hit something. I may be crazy, but not that crazy ;-)

Making them less pink/purple and more red. It means I have to go through every blaster fight in the movie literally frame by frame, cut out the flashes and colour correct them separately.  

I'm still working on the flashes. It's tedious work but as I already started, I'm not gonna give up now.

Anyway, I'll wait until tomorrow evening for any further suggestions, and if I'll have finished the flashes by then, I'm gonna render a final workprint, review it and I'll start rendering the final output on Saturday.

I think it was a 16mm o-neg and that's a whole another beast ;-)

Well, yeah, I noticed that only now with this comparison. What is interesting though is that most of the time Ady's sabres are almost exactly the same colours as mine, even though mine aren't always quite right.

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Oh, I thought they just downloaded the raw data from the digi tape.

Oh, shit!!! How did I miss that?!!! Sorry, man. I must be a bit tired or something...

skyjedi2005 said:

Never mind what they could do today with the newest of the new tech to actually restore the oot and not make a special edition or recomp stuff.

Quoted for truth :-)

Hi, I posted this in my Empire thread but not many poeple seem to be reading that any more and I'm quite proud of it :-) so I thought I'd repost here:

Yeah, that sounds more likely - IP would be a slightly worse source than the o-neg, which would be consistent with what skyjedi remembers reading about them having to clean it up digitally but not 16mm.

Dunno, check this out:

Dunno, it's possible but it seems unlikely.

I know it used to be there but I just can't find it now.

There would likely be a huge difference between a well stored 16mm o-neg and a rundown print from a flee market. And even if they found a pristine 16mm print, you loose resolution with every copy you make (and I'm sure this effect is magnified by using smaller film) and a print would be at least 4th generation (maybe more for a print for home use).

And how did you figure out the Jabba scene comes from a 16mm copy? I've read they couldn't find the original camera negatives of it but not that the source they used was 16mm and frankly I doubt they could get the quality they did from a 16mm downscale, it was probably some 35mm copy.

005, it seems that the Imperial officers' hologram shot posted on the previous page is missing from your list. I think the overlay pic that I posted clearly proves, that  it is a recomposite.

Well, the question is if scanning an old used 16mm print would yield better picture quality than 1993 LD masters. Compare Puggo Grande and GOUT - PG is great for what it is but GOUT is objectively better PQ in most aspects.

I don't think so. Almost every home video transfer of every film is cropped to a point but it's usually just a little, I don't think the releases of STAR WARS are majorly cropped compared to the original negatives. The 04SE is the least cropped release so far but you can still see a little bit of more of the frame in the 70mm scans.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean now. The GOUT is definitely more cropped on all sides compared to the 04SE.

Actually, I just noticed there's some weird movement on the right side of the frame in the original, could that be the reason? 

No it doesn't, that's the thing about it. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's CGI, they could have just used elements from other shots. The reason for this change is what baffles me.

That could work but I think the LDs are actually a different transfer than the DTV captures.

And I think DJ is using the Flunk version, which I think was said to be a straight port of the digi tapes used as a source of the TV broadcasts and that's why it is so much better than the others. And it would IMO also mean that the smearing is due to DVNR and not the way it was captured.

Well, let me show you what I mean:

Here are the frames layered over each other. The first one is definitely shifted to one side, the other one seems to be simply cropped pretty much equally on all sides by about the amount the whole GOUT is cropped compared to the SE. What this proves though is, that the holograms were definitely recomposited, as in the original they are a bit smaller in the frame than in the SE.