Harmy

dark_jedi said:

How do you know Ady is doing it "big time"? that is somewhat of a pretty bold statement don't you think? 

Well, for one, Ady already got donated a whole pretty awesome computer (which I feel he absolutely deserves, don't get me wrong) and this:

Star Wars Revisited news page:

Revisited also had a fund raiser in the weeks leading up to the release of the Blu-rays. We asked that everyone on the Facebook Page donate a single unit of their currency. Some even went above and beyond this goal and donated the entire cost they would have spent on the Blu-ray set! We should all be grateful for their generosity.

or

Anyone that donates towards ESB:Revisited between 1st July 2011 and the final cut off point for donations, once the cost of the materials has been covered,(i will announce that donations are closed one everything needed has been purchased and any donations made after this time will be immediately refunded/refused) will have their names entered into a draw to win one of these one off items (postage may have to be paid for by the winner if outside of the UK and depending upon size of their selected prize). How it will work is that for every £5 donated that person will be allocated a ticket that will be put into the hat for the draw. So that mean the more you donate the higher the chance of winning.

 

 And again, I'm not saying there's anything bad about that, just answering your question.

And yes, 1500$ is big time, which, if you'd care to re-read it is what I was saying in that post.

Yeah, that's exactly why I'm hesitant about this.

On the other hand,  Ady's doing it big time and there don't seem to be any problems. And my current equipment is seriously deficient for this kind of work (for example, even when everything is running smoothly - and it hardly ever is - it takes about 3 seconds to render each frame of the 1/2res preview when working in AE, so my work could be much faster with a better computer) and with the money I currently get, I can barely support my living in Pilsen, so donations is actually something I've been playing with in my mind for quite some time, but still, I always thought better of it for those reasons that Puggo talked about.

Well, it's problematic, because I keep going back and forth between my home town and the city where I study and also my favourite working environment is a café (at least half of the work on v1.0s was done there ;-D ), so I really need a laptop. And also, unfortunately, computers are quite a bit more expensive here, so I'd guess I'd need at least 1500$ to get something with a quadcore, 8GB ram, a fast 1TB hard drive (and absolute necessity for effective video editing) and a BD burner and that is a lot of money...

@Josh: I don't think I'll be doing a WP this time. V1.0 was my WP for this version.

@Ginge and Stinky: I actually considered that, since it would be really nice to be able to work with the Blus and do everything in lossless (something I can't do now, since I don't have the hard drive space). But on the other hand, I'd feel quite bad taking money. I'll have to think about it.

As to the BD rips, if I had the hardware, I'd probably pick up the OT set and rip it myself to lossless avi. but in the current state of affairs, it would be pointless to use the Blus.

Um, no, it doesn't make things more clear, you basically just repeated that you think I've done a sloppy job and I didn't put enough effort into the shots. Maybe if you gave some specific examples? Don't get me wrong, I'm interested, it's just that your posts sound sort of mocking.

On a different note, a friend of mine got the Blus, so I was able to compare them with my HDTV sources and while very small, there is a noticeable difference. The problem is that I had him rip a bit of it for me (I don't even have a BD drive in my computer) and my computer just couldn't handle it.

And I was also thinking about finally learning to use Vegas, so that I could export in higher quality and maybe even make BD25 versions, but again, my computer froze every time I tried importing a video into Vegas. So now I'm sort of discouraged, as there are these higher quality sources, which could make the edits better but I just don't have the hardware and I don't see myself getting a new computer in the next 3 yrs... :-(

Yeah, when you look through DJ's V3/Blu thread you'll find dozens of very similar comments.

As to Angel, the only thing I can say is that I already did my best to create continuity between the different sources (actually that is the whole point of this project) and all modesty aside, I think my best was pretty good most of the time.

Um, yeah, I might have done... ;-)

Oops, yeah, sorry, you're right. I don't know why I thought they were different for every frame. My bad...

LOL

I don't think it was due to any limitation though - I'm sure that it was a deliberate choice. It would actually have been easier to have the sabres the same in every repeated frame - it would mean much less roto work. And as was said before, it would have been no problem to shoot it as fluid slow motion but they consciously decided not to.

No, that's the thing - it's good that the sabres are animated for every frame, because it makes it even more eerie, since the footage has this choppy quality but the sabres are pulsating in real time, which makes it all the more confusing for the brain. 

Exactly.

Yes, and no one would complain about Lucas making these changes, if the original was released in the same quality.

I don't like some of Ady's changes in  ANH:R -  but I can simply choose not to watch it. I can't choose not to watch Lucas' fan edits, if I want to watch SW in high quality...

...well now I can actually but that's sort of beside the point here... ;-)

No, I see where DJ's coming from here - I do edit it and I do make some minor "creative choices" but I think it's the intention that counts here and again my intention is to preserve the experience of seeing a pristine print of the original version.

I agree with him that you shouldn't really compare this with his efforts though, I just don't think mine should be called a fan-edit.

Yeah, a well seeded torrent can admittedly be better than JD. 

Sepharih said:

Asteroid-Man said:

Mr Ghostface said:

Why the hell would you WANT to change that scene? It doesn't look that way because of a technical error for heaven's sake.

Because it WAS a technical error - the footage was incorrectly transferred at 24 frames per second and then slowed down in post. For it to be considered an "artistic" approach would just be ignorant; you can argue that for a film like Gladiator which uses choppy slow-mo in a time where 60fps film is readily available, but the shoddy frame rate in that scene from ESB is a technical issue. The matte paintings stood well in their time and have gotten a bit of a boost, so why not this scene? It doesn't change the tone of the scene, nor does it change the story or pace of the film.

I'm all for this change.

Wait...really!??!  I always assumed that was an artistic choice......there a source to confirm this?

Personally, I wouldn't mind enhancing that sequence in some way if there's a good idea....but I think it works fine as it currently is...intentional or not.  The choppy framerate gives it an almost dream like surreal effect.....works well with the tone of the scene.

It IS definitely intentional. It is slowed down by repeating every frame exactly 3 times but the lightsabres are animated separately for each frame. The choppy slowmo effect starts with the shot of Vader entering and ends with the last shot of the cave scene, which is exactly the part that is supposed to be a dream/hallucination. There is nothing erroneous about it and it most certainly isn't a frame-rate issue and it would be seriously ignorant to think so. And 60fps for slow motion was surely readily available in 1979 just like now.

I'm not saying that Ady couldn't enhance it and give it some more modern dream-like effect but it definitely was not an error back then.

I think it's on topic but I'm still writing this text to cover my ass ;-)

Cool :-)

I think it says they watched DJ's V3 in one of the comments.

EDIT:

The classic trilogy were special fan-made DVDs, sourced from the "bonus features" that you speak of but with a full surround audio track and an anamorphic up-rez. So a bit better, but? nowhere near Bluray quality. We were sorely disappointed that the original editions were not included in the new Bluray set.

Yeah, and since they're are the same master, the sources are pretty much pixel accurate, so it should in this case really be just switching the source file and re-rendering.

I never corrected any garbage matte lines, but if you mean matte boxes, then I "corrected" those through colour-timing only and did so because under ideal conditions they wouldn't have been visible in cinemas in 1977 - so again, just trying to preserve/restore the original movie-going experience.

I did make some choices where to leave the SE footage but that was in 99% of cases with the invisible fixes where you probably couldn't see the difference, unless you saw it side by side, frame by frame. Which of course does make it possibly less than 90% truly accurate to the actual film but takes it pretty damn close to 100% accuracy to the original experience.

I deny everything!...

Look, I'm drunk too but thre's no reason for violence ;-)

whoa, whoa, calm down guys ;-)

Doesn't that list need a bit of update? ;-)

And I don't mind this discussion at all, guys. This thread doesn't get much activity now anyways and it's pretty much on topic anyway :-)