Harmy

Thank you, that would be great. It sucks but I actually don't know anyone who owns a BD burner. BD players and ROMs are finally becoming kind of commonplace in my country now, but burners, not so much :-/

And just FYI, the DVD9 AVCHD and large MKV are still on, but I thought a BD25 with menus and stuff would be pretty awesome too but I wouldn't have any way to burn it - and it's just an idea, I need to find out how hard it is to author BDs first.

So, just an idea... :-) If I render and upload a BD25 of this, is there anyone willing to burn and send it to me? :-)

@Aluminium Falcon: Yeah, I'll be happy to send you the link if you respond to my PM ;-)

EDIT: Sorry, I see you just did :-)

Sure, why not :-)

Sorry, but I'm not gonna reupload it now.

Probably a production shot. They probably shot it against a bright sky and overexposed it to make it as bright as it is in the film. From this angle you wouldn't see clouds but the bottom of the city :-)

Thanks. Already fixed that :-)

Exactly.

Oh, yeah it's really hard to align the SE and the GOUT perfectly, because the GOUT is warped, so these things happen sometimes. You'd never notice it in movement (unless you were specifically looking for it of course).

@ OMEN: I did pick some things I want to fix from your list, so it was useful :-)

Actually, both of those things were already quite visible in the GOUT

and I bet that at least the tape could be spotted even in a VHS transfer, so I don't think these are exactly the kind of details you'd notice because of the high resolution, just like when some ILM guys were saying at some press conference how awesome the "new" BD transfer is and how you can now see some mistakes that you'd have never seen before and as an example they gave a shot in ESB where you can see the pole that sticks out from the ground to knock over one of the AT-ATs - which is laughable, because I checked and this was very clearly visible even in a widescreen VHS transfer.

Also, this picture is the GOUT with increased contrast and saturation and with the red push compensated for.

@bkev: Most of the flashes already got sort of fixed by You_Too's settings and I tried to get them all but if I missed some, I'm sure h_h will point them out with his usual exactness and they'll be fixed :-) You also need to keep in mind that I went a little overboard with some of the flashes in v1.0, in the GOUT, some of the flashes are sort of pinkish, not always deeply red.

Yeah, I see it, there's this kind of motion smearing, which is unfortunately a part of the 04 master, I remember seeing it in a few shots in ESB as well. Definitely not a part of the original cinematography but there's not much I can do about it :-(

Yeah, I wasn't going to but I decided to fix and re-render the crawl using the BD stafield and redo the 1st flyby using BD footage as well, so since I'll have to redo the green lasers, I think I'll redo the red ones as well :-)

Right, yeah, I fixed that now.

Also, at first I only saw that square as white but when I focused and took a closer look, I can clearly see those tints. Should it be obvious at first sight on a properly calibrated monitor?

@timdiggerm: The thing is, the way the image is set, it should show up as the brightest your monitor is capable of with its current settings. In other words, nothing should ever appear brighter on your monitor.

@Cobra Kai: Yes, that's why you increase the saturation before you use it.

@Cobra Kai: Yeah, no, because the video releases of the 97SE got their own colourtiming - just look at the whole Tatooine sequence, it has a distinctive pink tint throughout. I use the GOUT and photos like the one You_Too posted.

And Yoo_Too, you had me believe that those pictures I reposted above were from two different shots, whereas actually they're from one and the colour-timing of the one on the left is only there for the first two frames just before a huge blinding flash, so it is virtually unnoticeable unless viewed frame by frame.

@OMEN: Yeah, that looks as white as it gets, at least on its own like that.

You_Too said:

And in my opinion the change in this point is very visible too, especially on a calibrated screen:

And these pics are a nice example - they are clearly inconsistent but should I change the one on the left to look like the one on the right or vice versa?

My personal taste would lean towards the colour-timing of the one on the right, because it's more white than the left one, which has a blue/cyan tint but I think the left one is closer to the original, so I'll probably go with that.

Absolutely, You_Too, your approach is good: look for inconsistencies - I think we already established that the colour settings are quite subjective but when one shot has some colour and then another shot showing the same thing shows completely different colour, it's safe to assume it's a mistake.

I think the way you see colours also greatly depends at how long have you already been staring at your monitor, sometimes I colour-grade something in the evening and it looks fine and then I look again in the morning and it looks off.

Another thing is that letting photoshop balance the image will probably make it look more natural, which isn't always necessarily correct for the film.

@canofhumdingers: Yeah, another thing is that the colours couldn't ever be perfectly consistent shot to shot in the original due to the nature of how colour-timing was done at the time - they would have been pretty much consistent but would never withstand this kind of scrutiny. But I think that it can be said with certainty, that the walls sure weren't consistently deeply cyan like they are in the 04 master, and I think that was accomplished quite well here :-)

Well, I never had any professional calibration done, since it's hard to do anything like that on a laptop but it seems to generally show what most people agree on.

EDIT: Well, according to this article, my monitor is quite well calibrated but it has terrible viewing angle and bad response time.

To be honest, I don't know where to find it, it was posted in ESB:R thread ages ago.

Jeez, I did say that I don't see much of a difference in some of them, didn't I ;-) I do clearly see the difference in the one you just posted and I do see that part where it gets darker (I did that to compensate for the blown out explosion but I might need to back up there), which is exactly one of those I meant when I said I was gonna try to fix some :-)

Also OMEN, I'm not sure if your monitor doesn't add a bit of a yellow tint, you seem to see yellow a lot, where I don't see it at all. From what I see, the wall in the picture of Leia and Vader Yoo_Too posted, the walls are slightly bluish white with a bit of purple in the darker areas and I don't see even a hint of yellow anywhere in the walls. The faces of the people there seem to be a sort of pinkish orange, which I think is exactly what a normal natural skin colour. Actually, I'm sitting in a café right now and when I look around, people's faces seem even more orange than those in that picture.

EDIT: And in your regraded version, the walls now have a bit of cyan tint in the highlights and the faces seem unnaturally pale.

Actually, there's already a HQ 720p MKV of Ady's Emperor scene, so with his permission, you wouldn't have to wait for ESB:R to come out.

@canofhumdingers: I don't know, wouldn't red make it even more brown? If anything, I'd say it would need more blue and then the walls get too blue. And if you boost reds, the walls become purple.

The thing is that the Blu-Ray has less of the black crush to begin with - but with the BD's too dark settings you can't really see that, but You_Too and me were able to pull a lot more detail out of the blacks, which was eaten up by compression in the DVD and HDTV broadcasts.

As to the red saturation, you're probably judging this mainly from the walls being a bit blue still but they are this way even in the GOUT, which already has a red boots, so I'm pretty sure that that's the way it should be.

To be honest, it was quite hard to decide whether to try and make the walls truly white (which I would have actually preffered) or try and stay faithful to what various references seem to point to. In the end, I decided for the latter.

PMs sent :-)