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Harmy

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#627952
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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b0bafett said:

Hey Harmy,

I'm holding out for the blu ray, so I can't comment on the 2.1 yet.  But I gotta ask you something.  People keep commenting on a possible 2.5 release of Star Wars.  IF you decide to go that route, can you please hold it off until after you bring ESB & ROTJ up to a 2.0?

If there is a v2.5 (which so far, I have been given no reason to do yet) it's going to be just tiny little fixes done for the BD release, not a full fledged new effort like v2.0 or even anything close to the amount of work on v2.1.

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#627785
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Indy Blu-rays announced
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No, it doesn't clear things up - you again keep repeating the same nonsense - namely when you say "what was displayed in the theater in 1981, and in the 2003 DVD" because based on the print we have been discussing for the last three pages, what was displayed in the theater in 1981 is almost certainly not what's on the 2003 DVD and what was displayed in the theater in 1981 was actually much closer to what is on the BD, only maybe even warmer/more yellow.

And Star Wars had this same sort of color timing when it was displayed in the theater in 1977 beyond any reasonable doubt. So that's why the warm color timing of ROTLA could have hardly struck you as unnatural compared to SW, because SW had very much the same kind of color timing. Like three pages back, I actually used a picture from the IB print showing of SW to prove my point that the colors of the ROTLA BD could very well be correct to what the film is supposed to look like.

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#627761
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Indy Blu-rays announced
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Hang on a second there dlvh - we were never talking about what looks better (that is very subjective) but what is more accurate to the original. Now, you claimed to remember the colors looking more like the DVD version, so basically you claimed not that the DVD version was better looking in your opinion but that you thought it looked more like the original.

But even if you did remember the impression you got from the colors in 1981, you must take into account that the brain automatically adjusts for visuals - if you're sitting in a dark cinema and then the film starts and it looks consistently warm from the beginning, your brain automatically adjusts to it and you perceive it as natural colors, unless of course you consciously take note of the color timing, which no one normally does, especially not on the initial release of the film, so you came out of the cinema, remembering natural looking colors.

I looked at the DVD shot you posted and sure enough, it registered as pretty natural, so when I switched to the warmer BD shot, it of course seemed too warm to my brain, but I kept looking at the BD shot for a few more seconds and then switched back to the DVD shot and suddenly the DVD shot registered as too cold.

This works pretty much the same way, only over a longer period of time - you were used to watching the DVD colors for years, so the colors on the BD register as wrong regardles of whether they are closer to the original color timing.

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#627720
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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@chyron: 21 is way too low, you need at least 18 for any decent result.

@lpd: When putting the pics on here, you can set the width to 720 and leave the height empty - that way it will automaically adjust the aspect ratio and make the pics fit the forum layout.

You can also edit your previous post and do this retroactively by clicking first on the picture and then on the little green tree icon.

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#627679
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Indy Blu-rays announced
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OMG, this level of demagogy is incredible.

edit: to avoid confusion, this was aimed at dlvh's posts, completely disregarding all evidence and logical argument and just repeating the same stuff based on memory of something over 30 years ago (very highly unreliable) and DVD and WOWOW color palette (which reminds me quite a bit of the 2004 SW DVD) like a broken record.

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#627643
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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OK, I realized that I never really responded to the questions about what kind of bonus material there will be on the disc. The reason is that while I do have some things in mind, I don't want to give away too much, because I'm not sure I'll be able to do them all.

What I definitely want to put on the disc are several galleries:

This v1.0 changes gallery

An updated version of this v1.0 vs Remastered gallery

An updated version of this gallery of all changes showing BD vs GOUT vs v1.0 vs. v2.1 (or2.5, depending on whether there is a v2.5).

An updated version of this v2.0 vs. v2.1 gallery with some descriptions added.

There will probably also be a video version of the third gallery, showing the changes in movement.

I'm also working on a commentary for the whole film, though I'm 30 minutes in and already running out of ideas for things to say, so we'll see :-)

There's some more stuff I have in mind but I'm not sure I'll be able to pull it off.

 

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#627550
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Indy Blu-rays announced
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So, are Indy 2 and 3 confirmed to be the same master as the DVD and HDTV? I've read somewhere that they come from a new 4K scan as well, only they didn't get the same level of restoration as ROTLA but that info could of course be wrong.

And actually the possibility of the ROTLA print being a new one didn't even occur to me. Did they make 35mm prints from the new master? I thought it was just IMAX and digital?

Anyway, I think jero32 got it right - going from the negative, they'd have to do a new colour timing and trust me, I know that digitally emulating photochemical colour timing is very hard, so they probably did the timing based on some non-fade source but it looks a bit different due to it being done digitally. From what I know about the way such restoration process normally works, it's more than likely that that is the case for most BDs. Unlike on LD and DVD masters, where they usually probably just tried to compensate for whatever fading there was on the film source they used.