Harmy

And the trolling continues.

If you come to a place the main goal of which is to get the original version of Star Wars in high quality (this whole site, not just this thread) and start telling people that the original version sucks balls, you're a troll. That's all there is to it.

Oh, yeah, that would be awesome.

Cool - will that be two different color timing choices then?

Yeah, that's exactly the thing - the way I understand it, when they are authoring seamless branching professionally, they can determine where the data for each chapter will physically be on the disc and thus make sure the playback doesn't skip during the transitions. I am fascinated by BD features like maximum movie mode as seen for example on the last two Harry Potter films and Terminator Salvation. Basically it turns the film into a similar thing like Jambe Davdar's docs, only it does it in real time, using the actual HD footage of the main feature on the disc. This would be awesome if I could do something like this on the DeEd BD, because then it could pause on each despecialized shot and explain how it was done and show some before/after footage and stuff but it's just way out of the realm of possibility here.

EDIT: That sounds really interesting DJ. Which project are you doing this for?

Mind blown.

Just looking at my BD collection - all the Alien movies have two different versions via seamless branching. Three different versions of Blade Runner on one disc. Terminator 2 has three different versions on one disc. Original and DC of Terminator Salvation on one disc. Close Encounters has already been mentioned. Apocalypse Now has two different versions too. But like Laserschwert said, it's way too difficult to do. Or rather I think to do it well - to have it play smoothly.

Seriously, I'm not touching the colors any more. And why is the quality of that screenshot so god-awful?

No way to do something like that without recoding I'm afraid - but if you're working with lossless the entire time and use a good encoder for the final encode, the quality loss should be absolutely minimal.

Is it the same master as the BD only without the DNR? Cause it would be great if the logo could be removed.

blowfish said:

What kind of a stupid name is despecilized?! and who wants to watch Star Wars with all those lame 70's efects. Thank the maker Lucas decided to update those terribly old movies so why bring them back!!!!

Quick! Get the torches and pitchforks! We have a troll!

EDIT: Wrong thread.

Yeah, that's what's weird about it - it would suggest that the logos there actually came from a different print than the crawl.

Could that be some weird transfer color anomaly or something? I noticed that the shot in the French LD video you posted was pretty badly red-shifted.

Oh and not that I feel like I'm entitled to any say on your project (I put my project out there and I don't feel I have a right to say what people do with it afterwards) but if it was me, in the spirit of the DeEd, I'd keep the typo in the crawl - like if there had been a typo in the original English crawl, I would have preserved it and wouldn't have even been open to discussion about it. That's just me though, please don't feel like I'm pressuring you or anything.

Not bad, it's definitely an interesting design. But if you wanted to use them for the DeEd, it might be a good idea not to use an SE image on the front of the SW cover.

Right.

Something I definitely want is the subs and audio to be selectable through menu, because there will be so many options that selecting them through remote only might get confusing.

Well, the footage that was actually altered in the Greedo doesn't shoot at all scene doesn't have any subtitles. And it will also get an upgrade in v2.5 btw.

I'm probably gonna go with simple but functional BD menu, nothing too fancy, but as of now, I don't even know how to do that.

I also already know for almost sure that a soon as I finish ESB and ROTJ, I'll most likely be starting work on SW v3.0, because a certain project (and I can tell you it's not positive 1) will probably be out by then and when you compare the Mos Eisley scene in v2.0 and v2.1, you'll see that it should definitely be worth the effort.

And I checked and the mixes all play at pretty much the same level on my computer - if anything, I'd say the stereo and mono mixes are a tiny bit louder than the 5.1, but negligibly so. It could be that either your TV or your player are downmixing the 5.1 wrong somehow and that makes it louder - I'm no audio expert though, so I'm sure there are poeple here much more suited to elaborate on the issue.

Well, the problem is that what you're talking about here is a group fanedit project, sorta like the ROTJ one and we all know how that ended.

And I'll be working on ESB and ROTJ DeEd (and maybe TPM on the side) at the same time too, now that I have enough HDD space to do so.  And I'll be doing that for those exact reasons AnctuFaalb said - and I do believe that it will lead to and earlier release date.

Yes! I win! Up yours Ady! :-D Just kidding - I'm personally really looking forward to ESB:R and also ANH:R HD. I was actually thinking about sometime doing my own personal SE using Ady's ANH:R (PAL DVD9 of course) and HD-fying it and undoing some of the changes I don't really like all that much.

Yes, upscaling does create some artifacts but those are far less noticeable than artifacts created by compression. Plus when you're upcscaling from 1080p to 4K, the scaling artifacts are going to be so small, even on a huge screen, that they'll be practically nonexistent and the visible detail gain of 4K vs 1080p source would probably be practically nonexistent as well on a screen smaller than like 10m wide.

And downscaling actually creates the same kind of artifacts as uspcaling, plus you loose detail.

So, I figured out a way to make my official 2004 and 2006 SW DVDs look way cooler; I took the inside leaflets and simply placed them over the horrible photoshop mess of the original covers:

Does anyone have these images in high definition? Even just scans of those leaflets would do (I can't scan them myself just now) but a better source would be preferable.

A projector, yes, 4K definitely could make a difference there, but that's the tech, not the content - I can always see the pixel grid on sharp bright static objects even in theaters with digital projection - especially on subtitles but take the Hobbit as an example - it was shot on 5K RED cameras but it went through a 2K DI, so all the theaters equipped with 4K projectors must have been showing it upscaled.

And a majority of today's films still goes through 2K DIs and restoration work or at least mastering is often done at 2K too, so going 4K on the content doesn't really make too much sense.

As to that dark spot - that's there on the BD (though again, I really don't know how you guys notice these thing - I'd worked with that shot for hours and never noticed).

Yes.

djchaseb said:

Protocol Droid said:

 

I have voice over experience and would love to volunteer to do the voice over work if needed.

The project manager(s) could talk to me over the phone if needed.

 

PD

Can you speak Bocce?

I had a good hearty laugh at that one. Nice :-)

Really? I have yet to see one. Every single Blu-Ray I've ever seen had some amount of compression artifacts and some actually much worse than SW; for example the BD of Aliens has loads of compression artifacts, as does The Godfather, though it's usually due to a more grainy nature of the film, plus 16:9 framed films are generally harder to compress, because with 2.35:1 or 4:3, the black bars compress very efficiently, so there's much less actual picture resolution to compress. And yes, they definitely used double layer BDs for SW.

Now, I'm not defending the SW BDs of course, we all know they're pretty awful and have many shortcomings but bad compression simply isn't one of them.

Slightly off topic; that's why I always say that we don't need more resolution for home video (if 1080p/2K content is good enough for most of today's cinemas, it sure as hell is good enough for home screens, however big,) what we really need is the same resolution with less compression. I think having 4K content at home is laughable - it's the same kind of marketing trick as 1080p smart phones - they should employ the new more efficient compression algorithms to get lossless 1080p into homes, not lossy 4K. 4K TVs are a different matter, because at a certain size, you begin seeing the grid of the TVs pixels when it's just 1080x1920 but you don't need the content to be at that resolution in a home environment.

EDIT: To avoid derailing the thread, please continue any discussion of home video future and present here.