Oh, yeah, you're right, although from previous context, the question was clearly pointing towards the reflections.
No, not at all, of course. My point was that with Ady's changes, which are mainly about visual improvement and adding more realism to the visuals, the story and characters stay the same just as they would with added reflections, so the story and characters being the important thing isn't really a valid argument against tastefully done reflections in this case, because it would be very much in spirit of changes like re-rotoscoping all the laser bolts or adding more asteroids to the asteroid field.
Isley said:
rockin said:
I am probably opening a can of worms by asking this but, why the hell do we people want to make ESB more like the prequels anyway?
Probably because the movie industry managed to fool a lot of people into believing that flashy and over-saturated pictures were more meaningful to a movie's quality than a deep story and convincing characters.
Well, if you were looking at it that way, then this whole exercise would be kind of meaningless though, wouldn't it? You could as well just watch a VHS of the original version - the story and characters would still be the same.
I wouldn't be so negative about it - it does look pretty great, considering it's a non-professional scan of a theatrical print. And this is a yet unrestored frame - a little sharpening would go a long way to reveal some more detail - but my point was that it's naturally just not gonna beat a scan of the o-neg.
As for a 16GB m2ts - unfortunatelly, it's not that easy either - there are still one or two tweaks I want to do and it takes ages to render and I'll need to spot check it and stuff.
Maybe they genetically manipulated the clones to have extras bendy joints ;-)
Yeah :-) It just seems funny that there's an explosion in Boston, some idiot in a local newspaper mistakes Czecznia with the Czech Republic and boom, a few days later things start blowing up here ;-) :-D
Yeah, I don't agree with all of those reasons either, I just wanted to post this to show that there are many more things that people find to be wrong with ROTJ than just Ewoks and Boba's death. And you also have to consider that it's written a bit tongue-in-cheek, so the stuff like "sexually charged scenes" is probably meant as a bit of a hyperbole to make a point that it's just a bad idea to make Leia Luke's sister.
chyron8472 said:
...is there any new info on what you've decided to do regarding color correction for Empire?
Not really - like I said before, I'll do the first color pass based on the GOUT with boosted saturation and then tweak it in the second pass based on other sources if there are any I find more reliable.
I was wondering about PSB, whether we know when the print was made? I thought that if it was made at a later date, maybe the print from which it was copied may have already been fading and so they may have used some blue filter when copying it to counter the pink fade? Just a thought.
I think this is actually a pretty great idea - would be a bit of a pain to do though (not really difficult, I guess, but tedious for sure) and it may be a little late for such suggestions now. But maybe in ROTJ?
So
1) V3.0 would still be despecializing the BD, only using the 35mm scan as a source for the unaltered footage - here's why:
I realize that there's more compression here than there would be in the final release but it still shows pretty clearly that since the BD was scanned from the original negative, it has more fine detail than the LPP print even though the '04 scan is outdated, so a 1080p restoration using a 35mm scan to despecialize the BD could yield similar results to what a professional restoration from maybe an IP could achieve and that's something probably still worth the effort.
2) I will definitely finish ESB and ROTJ v2 before starting any work on a (again, still just potential) v3.0 of SW.
Yes, a doing 3.0 release is just a vague possibility and it would be at least a year before I'd even start working on it and we all know how long these projects take.
BTW. I know that the v2.5 release is seriously delayed but school work sort of piled up on me and I haven't really had time to do any work on SW and probably won't for at least the following two weeks. Sorry about that.
Oh, I finally caved and bought the LOTR EE Blu-Rays, because I got them for half price and I must say I'm a bit disappointed even with the other two, especially TTT, which has loads of DVNRed shots (it doesn't seem to be applied globally but quite a few shots do have DVNR smearing) and the same goes for ROTK, only it seems to be much fewer shots there. And of course the colors of FOTR, while in other respects it's the best master of the three, are a total crapfest.
Those pictures above don't even show it enough; look at this shit:
And I must say, I seriously don't like that they darkened it - it is much less pleasing to watch for that reason as well as the colors.
Yes, that is the legitimate term :-)
Congratulations :-)
Well, there was a native HD TTT EE broadcast but not the other two.
Yeah, the image is quite soft and some sharpening would help it but it shouldn't be overdone. The color channel shift is most clearly visible on the window's middle strut - you can clearly see blue, red and green there. You can see the same thing in many other places - like when you look at the tiny white gleam spots on the queen's dress.
Well, to be honest I don't mind the split but I'd actually prefer to strip it down to bare bones, only leave the English audio at the original bitrate and make the commentaries really small and encode it to be spread over 2 BD25s, which I could easily do for myself without recoding, if you released a single BD50 version :-) But that's just me :-) And thank you guys for considering it - an over-all correction approximating the theatrical timing should be quite fine :-)
That looks very interesting. But there seems to be some strange color channel shift (or rather, there seems to be a shift in the opposite direction than in the BD picture but much more noticeable) and maybe tad too much sharpening - look at Natalie Portman's dress - it reveals some very nasty artifacts there. And did you add anamorphic lens distortion? That's certainly an interesting idea, but it also seems to be what's causing the color shift.
So when you apply colourlike, it doesn't do it on a frame by frame comparison basis? I would have thought it would analyze each frame in the DVD and recolor the corresponding frame of the BD accordingly.
Oh, please guys! I would love a fixed version from you. I guess I could do one myself but to be honest, You_Too is much more efficient and knowledgeable with this kind of thing. I wondered what it would look like if one simply used the color-like avisynth filter with the DVD as a source for the color? Would that work?
I'd also love the shit out of a theatrical version put together from a color corrected EE master, since while I slightly prefer the EE of FOTR, it could be fun to revisit the theatrical version as that is what I had on VHS back in '02 and watched more times than I could count and the theatrical version BD is effed up.
My guess is that the green tint may have been a mastering mistake but the over-all colder color palette was probably intentional. Plus as far as I know, they never admitted there was anything wrong with the colors, so I wouldn't expect a fixed version any time soon - the films came out as individual releases since, which would have been a great opportunity to fix the colors, since even people who have the boxed set, could just buy FOTR separately but that would mean they'd have to admit the timing to be wrong and then people could demand a replacement. And to market it as a remaster would be weird too, since the original EE BD release was already marketed as a remaster.
No, what I said was we don't need 4K content - I have a 27" 1080p monitor and I can see the pixels on that sometimes, so for a 50+ inch display, 4K would certainly be preferable. So, in other word, if you play the same movie at 1080p on a 50" 1080p screen and a 50" 4K screen, it will likely look better on the 4K screen, because you won't see the pixels. But if you play on that 4K display a movie in 1080p lossless, it will likely look better than the same movie in compressed 4K on that 4K screen and won't likely look discernibly worse than the same movie in 4K lossless on that screen.
dvdmike said:
...but two mastering houses scanned the OCN and they came back with the same result independently, that cannot be just a coincidence
Sounds like they either kept the colors as they were on the OCN or they both used the same color reference given to them by the studio, who wished it to have the same color timing as the other two. Either way, the fact that the colors are more natural, doesn't mean they are more correct. Just like the colors on the FOTR EE BD are more realistic in some scenes - sure there's a green tint over the whole thing, which is not exactly realistic, but scenes like the council of Elrond and the whole Rivendell sequence were originally intentionally timed to very unrealistically warm tones, which gave it its otherworldly nice-place feeling and in the new coloring these scenes were timed much colder, which gives it a much much more realistic color palette, yet it's completely wrong as it destroys the original atmosphere.
And the argument that the teal and yellow tones are some new sort of coloring is not quite accurate either, but this simply brings me to post this link, as it was already argued to death there, which is why I stayed away from this debate here, but I just couldn't do it any longer :-) It's quite ok for you to prefer the DVD and HDTV color palette of Raiders but you keep making it sound like it's also the correct one and I strongly disagree.
