Yeah, I'm not saying you couldn't get a bit more detail out of the print but I think that from that picture, you can see that some of the detail probably just isn't there on the print.
Brooks said:
Harmy said:
... the problem is that the best source that is likely ever to be available to us is a theatrical 35mm print, which most likely doesn't even resolve 1080 lines to begin with - the best you can hope for is to get about the same level of resolution as the official BDs
I'm confused about this. The detail lost in the generational losses between the negative and the theatrical prints mean that a theatrical print scanned at 4k or higher would be equivalent in detail to the negative scanned at 1080p?
Well, it's more like: the detail lost in the generational losses between the negative and the theatrical prints means that a theatrical print scanned at 4k or higher would be equivalent in detail to the print itself, which is more than likely less than the negative scanned at 1080p.
To support this point I already posted this somewhere before:
The fine detail in Ben's coat could be missing due to compression of course, but the detail in the lines around his eyes and in his beard, not so much.
This would be possible but immensely difficult as far as I know, because the two frames would have to be aligned perfectly, otherwise you'd be loosing detail, rather than gaining it.
Well, yes, if you could scan the o-neg at 4K, you'd almost definitely get better detail than the official BD even if you then downscaled to 1080p; the problem is that the best source that is likely ever to be available to us is a theatrical 35mm print, which most likely doesn't even resolve 1080 lines to begin with - the best you can hope for is to get about the same level of resolution as the official BDs (and that would be pretty amazing to be honest) with hopefully better balance and more shadow and brightness detail, so doing this at 4K seems a bit pointless to me, unless you were doing something like Mike V. and combining detail from multiple prints.
So are there threads for all these other projects? I'd be especially inerested in what you guys are planning with the Terminators and the Neverending Story.
Well, I thought about that but it seems like an awful lot of work recreating the crawl the way I did the 1977 one just to have it as an extra.
Erm...
Not really, no. It's going to be quite difficult as it is to master the BD without trying to make it a seamless branching disc.
Well, the GP was fairly easy (though, it's probably not perfect, since it's pretty hard with a blurry reference like that) but the X one I could probably try to approximate but it would probably be far from what it actually looked like with this picture as a reference - I can't even read the text (if I had to guess, I'd say it says: "NO ONE UNDER 17 ADMITTED / AGE LIMIT MAY VARY IN CERTAIN AREAS" but I'm just guessing).
Well, I guess I could, but it was a lot of work, so only if I knew it was for some worthy project. Also, what do you mean defunct? Isn't this one defunct as well?
@Laserschwert: That would be great, thank you!
Yeah, that's why I'm already asking now, so that there's time for proper anal retentive QC :-)
It will be omitted in ROTJ to keep continuity throughout the v2.x trilogy. In v1.0 ROTJ it was also a recreation.
I decided not to use the rating card, because it would either have to be after the DeEd credits, which wouldn't make much sense, or before, which would disrupt the flow of the credits being in the same style as the SW credits.
Also, I remember some time ago, someone offered to re-create the original SW credits for me, which in the end proved unnecessary, since I ended up getting them from a 35mm source, but I think I will need the original credits re-created for ESB and ROTJ, so if anyone wants to take a crack at it, I'd be grateful :-)
BTW. I made this and decided not to use it in the end but I'm putting it out here in case anyone wants it:
Yeah, that would have been good but as I'm not doing another version of SW until this project is finished, it's now moot. The ROTJ scenes on the other hand, would be totally awesome. And some scenes from ESB as well of course.
Yes, v2.5 only has a few very small improvements over v2.1, so the footage is already there, I just didn't edit the first post for v2.1 yet.
Well, they're trimmed at the end of shots, where an SE shot was inserted. It doesn't really go black in the BD of course, I just added the black to compensate for the time difference and show where the frames were missing.
@Turisu: Well, I didn't really change the colours from the 97SE in those shots - looking at this direct comparison, it seems to me that some shots are actually the same in the '04 version, so I'm gonna have to do some more comparing in those shots and see what I can use from what.
Anyway, here's a comparison video from which those screens were taken:
http://www.uloz.to/xsAgGpW4/Compar+reel+1.part1.rar
http://www.uloz.to/x9gzZJjS/Compar+reel+1.part2.rar
http://www.uloz.to/x4gN1jTk/Compar+reel+1.part3.rar
http://www.uloz.to/xKm7aFeW/Compar+reel+1.part4.rar
Notice in the Wampa cave scene, the BD footage goes black from time to time, that's where there were frames missing and I had to fill them in, sometimes through slowing the shot down using AE's "pixel motion" frame interpolation but sometimes also by cutting out and animating the separate elements (this was done in the shots that are in the picture comparisons).
Oh, yeah, sorry, forgot to say that.
Here are some comparison pics for the WP:
Color boosted GOUT mainly and from time to time a compare to PSB and the 97SE as well.
No, it's just that I'm using a fairly recent version of AE this time instead of PowerDirector, so I have many more useful tools to play with.
Sure. I don't really fancy doing it myself, but if you'd do it, I'd be delighted to use it :-)
Yeah, well, in that shot, it was the best I could do.
Most of those weren't even recomposited - except for the Rancor scene and a very few shots in the battle of Endor, and to those I definitely plan to try and restore or at least visually approximate the original compositing in some way.
EDIT: Sorry, that was supposed to be a PM.
