So Handman are you going to respond to the Lando thing or…
I was trying to get out of this thread. Identity politics are usually something I want to avoid. In any event, I don’t find the two comparable at all. I really don’t want to continue in this thread though.
I would not want to see a homosexual relationship on screen in Star Wars at least partly because it would be controversial (whether or not you think it should be). I don’t think Star Wars movies should include anything that is hugely controversial in the real world, regardless of whether it’s something I support or not. I want Star Wars to be a fun escape from reality, not a reminder of it.
Let’s say the new Star Wars movie established that the Jedi forbid transgender operations (far-fetched, I know, but it’s the principle that counts). While many people, including myself, think that changing one’s sex is wrong, I would just as disappointed that it was included as I would be if one of the characters changed genders, since it’s a controversial issue in the real world.
So, whether or not you think that gay marriage and whatnot should be controversial, the truth is that it is, and I do not want any controversial issues from the real world appearing in a movie that is supposed to be an escape from reality.
You put it so well.
If it’s a Finn/Poe relationship that wouldn’t be an issue. Clearly those characters have more going on than just their sexuality.
That is true, but I don’t think homosexuality should be a main theme for a Star Wars film. There are plenty of other films for that. If they are, that’s fine, but I don’t want to be hit over the head with it if that’s the case.
Would you mind “being hit over the head” with it if it were heterosexuality?
Yes, if it were told to me over and over again as if I couldn’t understand what was happening.
I have a friend a lot like you, DominicCobb, and I understand this perspective, but I simply don’t see it the same way. I don’t think there’s much point in discussing it on and on, I’ve been over this topic with other people for over three continuous weeks, so I’m not really up to doing that again. If it happens, fine, I just hope it’s done well, which is my main concern. Rarely have I seen it done well other than for good press.
I should let Dom respond, but I think you misunderstand his point.
For certain no one said the second thing.
I was using the same logic for the second thing. If gay people cannot relate to straight people, then why should non-black people be able to relate to black people?
That’s not what he said. Read his reply.
He edited that in after I posted. I’ll read it now.
I should let Dom respond, but I think you misunderstand his point.
For certain no one said the second thing.
I was using the same logic for the second thing. If gay people cannot relate to straight people, then why should non-black people be able to relate to black people?
If it’s a Finn/Poe relationship that wouldn’t be an issue. Clearly those characters have more going on than just their sexuality.
That is true, but I don’t think homosexuality should be a main theme for a Star Wars film. There are plenty of other films for that. If they are, that’s fine, but I don’t want to be hit over the head with it if that’s the case.
I just think Star Wars should be more inclusive.
I’d rather they focus on good characters than making sure everyone feels included. There are way too many different kinds of people, it’s simply unfeasible to achieve, because if it’s not one thing, it’ll be another.
You assume that gay people cannot relate to relationships that are not gay. That’s as absurd as saying I can’t relate to Lando because he’s black.
No one said any of those things.
after 7 gayless episodes… it would feel like Star Wars is finally showing a relationship that you could relate to.
Thank you for your lovely responses. Excellent discussion.
You’re not helping yourself. I’m willing to entertain an actual discussion with you but this post isn’t doing anything to quell my suspicions that you don’t really have much in the way of a legitimate argument.
In his defense, it sounded like your only real argument was that we have yet to see it in a Star Wars film, so let’s include it.
Exactly.
Since you asked.
DominicCobb said:
I know it’s name calling but it’s kind of true. How the actual fuck is a gay relationship pandering?
Most gay characters I have seen simply say “Look at me, I’m gay, remember that?” and don’t have much character beyond that. I would like that to not happen in Star Wars, and I doubt if they wanted to focus on gay relationships that we would get much more than that.
TFA already set up two male characters with a strong bond. There’s nothing to say that they can’t be homo or bi sexual and end up in a relationship. Assuming they’re heterosexual is just heteronormativity which is a type of homophobia.
I assume people are asexual until shown otherwise. I’d prefer not seeing any sexual relations at all in a fantasy-adventure. It’s mostly irrelevant. Your last sentence is crazy, though. Assuming someone is heterosexual is homophobic? The vast majority of people are heterosexual, I don’t think it’s that big a leap to assume.
And if you were gay, do you think a gay relationship in Star Wars would feel like pandering? No, in fact, after 7 gayless episodes (C-3PO and Obi-Wan ambiguity not withstanding) it would feel like Star Wars is finally showing a relationship that you could relate to.
You assume that gay people cannot relate to relationships that are not gay. That’s as absurd as saying I can’t relate to Lando because he’s black.
Thank you for your lovely responses. Excellent discussion.
I just see no reason for it in Star Wars. It’s pandering.
What happened to poita?
This was mentioned on the Digital Bits website yesterday.
http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/021016_1500
It’ll get there eventually.
Toy Story is one of those affected, and it bothers me a lot.
Sounds like you’ll go about it in a much more sensical way than most social media messaging.
I’d probably rather watch any of the originals over TFA, but TFA is still good.
Ben was just a voice most of the time, too.
Even the 1997 SE poster just called it Star Wars.
The line I hate the most in ROTJ was “Somehow, I think I’ve always known”.
I saw it last night. I thought the first half was flawless, but it felt rushed when the Starkiller was introduced.
Eeech
Woops.
You guys are great.
Closer.