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#229380
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If the movie hadn't sucked, I think we might have forgiven the rubber nipples eventually.

According to most of the people I know, the rubber nipples are the reason that the movie sucked.

SR is currently up to $178 million dollars.

From IMDB 7/26/2006 -

Director Bryan Singer has acknowledged that the less-than-stellar performance of Superman Returns has made prospects for another Man of Steel sequel a bit "iffy." The Associated Press quotes him as saying, "We haven't concluded a deal," but if a sequel gets a green light from Warner Bros, "the intention is to do it for [release in] 2009." Separately, Singer told Britain's Empire magazine, "Now that the character is established, I'd like to take the opportunity to bring in a more threatening element, a more terrible, foreboding element." Superman Returns, starring Kevin Spacey, Brandon Routh, and Kate Bosworth, has taken in $178 million at the domestic box office, below such other summer hits as The Da Vinci Code, X-Men: The Last Stand, Cars, and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.
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#229377
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HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Heh, yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I saw Superman Returns Sunday night.


They overuse Williams's theme more than he ever did. After the work he did on X2, I was a bit disappointed in Ottman's work. Noting reallt stood out.

I have to admit that as much as I like John Williams Superman theme, hearing in Superman Returns made me feel like I was watching a parody of a Superman film and I'm not sure why it had that effect on me.
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#229031
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Please tell me I'm not the only one....
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I like Star Trek. I'd like to see them do something with Christopher Pike, the Enterprise captain from the abandoned 1960s pilot "The Cage" played by the late Jeffrey Hunter. But it probably won't happen.

I didn't like how, as the Next Generation films went along, Picard seemed to morph into Kirk. I like Kirk, in fact I prefer Kirk Trek over TNG Trek, but if I'm going to sit down and watch a Picard Trek, I expect Picard to act like Picard and not like Kirk.
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#228760
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your FatherWhy does evryone have such a problem with Superman being upset about Lois having a kid and living with Cyclops? It's totally understandable and, as Chaltab mentionmed, when it comes to the crunch he puts his personal issues aside and saves the world.


I was actually thinking about just that today and this is what I came up with- to my mind Superman's whole pursuit of Lois in this film is astoundingly emotionally selfish. Its his OWN fault that Lois or the world for that matter (though stated but not shown in the film) has moved on- he's the one who took off without a word to anyone (with the possible exception of his mother). If the SR characterization of him was half a man or half the hero that he's supposed to be he wouldn't be shocked in the least after HE RAN AWAY for five years, no matter what his reason for doing so. If he truly needed to go to Krypton he would have/should have just told the world- and especially Lois if he really loves her- 'hey I have to do this thing... please wait for me'. But not once in the film do I remember seeing an inkling of understanding from him that this is his fault. Instead he follows Lois repeatedly trying to re-insert himself into her life... a life that has moved on. Great themes for a Lifetime network movie-of-the-week but not heroic, let alone *super* heroic.


Exactly.

I actually considered it a wise decision for him not to announce to the world that he was leaving. That would be a huge incentive for the criminals of the world to take advantage of the situation.

Except the criminals would eventually realize that he was gone. Villains notice little things like the usual red & blue clad hero who usually thwarts them not showing up to thwart them.
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#228703
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: greencapt

Now what I *don't* like is when a creator foists their opinion or some particular viewpoint on an audience in an unappropriate setting or in an un-announced way. By this I mean if filmmaker 'X' wants to make a statement about capital punishment they should feel free to make a film about it- and let it be known that 'this is my statement about capital punishment'. Whereas when you go to see a Batman film you expect to see a Batman film... not a film which essentially stands as a homo-erotic fetishist's showcase of rubber nipples and oiled musclemen. At this point the audience disconnects and even if they can't put their finger on it they know something is wrong.

Sadly, this seems to be a thing with Superman. Christopher Reeve, while a great Superman, turned Superman IV into his own personal political statement on nuclear weapons, and it made for a lousy movie. Personal statements are very hard to fit into superhero movies without making a bad movie.


Originally posted by: greencapt

Thus the problem I see with 'Superman Returns'- audiences expected to see Superman but instead of a heroic, honorable and (gasp) patriotic character they saw a neurotic, brooding, stalking, whining, emo character who was painted as being the second coming of Jesus. And looking at the box office results the general public had that same disconnect.



Why must Superman have all the emotional problems,etc? Because the audience must be able to 'connect' with the hero? Why can't Hollywood accept that Superman is just a good person, and wants to do the right thing?

Originally posted by: greencapt

But very little of any of this has to do with Singer's (or anyone's) sexual orientation.


Agreed. Anyone can mess a movie up or make a great movie.


Double agreed.

Have you ever heard the jokes some people make about Christopher Reeve's paralysis? I was flipping channels once and I came across this red neck stand up comedy thing once and Larry the Cable Guy was on there and he said "This TV show was so bad, Christopher Reeve stood up, walked over, and changed the channel." A similar joke that has circulated is "This movie was so bad that Christopher Reeve stood up and walked out of the theater."
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#228685
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Really I feel the sexual orientation of a director, writer, musician, actor, etc, etc, etc doesn't mean anything at all about the quality of their work. All you can really ask yourself is- do you like what they created? Is it good, bad?

Now what I *don't* like is when a creator foists their opinion or some particular viewpoint on an audience in an unappropriate setting or in an un-announced way. By this I mean if filmmaker 'X' wants to make a statement about capital punishment they should feel free to make a film about it- and let it be known that 'this is my statement about capital punishment'. Whereas when you go to see a Batman film you expect to see a Batman film... not a film which essentially stands as a homo-erotic fetishist's showcase of rubber nipples and oiled musclemen. At this point the audience disconnects and even if they can't put their finger on it they know something is wrong.

Thus the problem I see with 'Superman Returns'- audiences expected to see Superman but instead of a heroic, honorable and (gasp) patriotic character they saw a neurotic, brooding, stalking, whining, emo character who was painted as being the second coming of Jesus. And looking at the box office results the general public had that same disconnect. Its a technically well crafted film and is not 'Batman & Robin' horrible but I'd imagine people walking out of theaters going... 'hmm... uh, ok. That wasn't any fun. What opens next week?' Bryan Singer infused his own sense of alienation (from his own adoption, orientation, etc) into the film. And that's fine- but not Superman. I do understand how he could come up this train of thought though- 'Superman was given up by his parents, so was I. Superman was adopted, so was I. I don't feel I fit in at times, so Superman must not. Lois Lane loved Superman and so do.... (er, nevermind)' So he made his idea of Superman using only 'Superman the Movie' as outside context. Like I said before- he should have made up his own super hero and made a film about it... and I bet it could have been huge and original. I sort of look at 'Alien 3' the same way- very good sci-fi film... just not a very good 'Alien' franchise film.

But very little of any of this has to do with Singer's (or anyone's) sexual orientation.


Agreed.
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#228082
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones

It was from the scene where Susan George is assaulted by her former lover. It's not like they put rules on what could and couldn't be posted in the thread.


Well I can see how it might upset some, but like you said... if no rules were posted. Plus they could have always edited the post.

They actually did take the post out, and I think they'll lift the ban tomorrow. That's the last time I use any images from a Sam Peckinpah film, but I guess, like you say, I should have expected a backlash. Well, I won't do that again.

On the bright side, I'm not responsible for Jar Jar Binks, so that's a plus in my favor.
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#228078
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
I hate the SuperHeroHype board people banning me because I used an image from Straw Dogs in their "Mix It Up Movie Caption Thread".


Why the hell did they do that?

It was from the scene where Susan George is assaulted by her former lover. It's not like they put rules on what could and couldn't be posted in the thread.
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#227882
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Pirates of the Caribbean Two
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Originally posted by: Mike O
What plot? Pirates 2 had the same problem as The Mummy Returns. The first film in both franchises was far, far from great, but they had certain charms. Both sequels overload on the effects and action to the point where it becomes tiresome.

I kinda liked The Mummy Returns though. Call it a guilty pleasure if you will.

I remember thinking MIB 2 lacked the charm of MIB 1, and we all know MIB 1 wasn't perfect to start with.
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#227880
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: Warbler
If that is true, then I'd rather have the "underwear ad" suit. Because the "underwear ad" suit looks more like the classic Superman suit from the comics then the suit used in this movie.

Agreed.

BTW, have you noticed that all the SR posters and advertising bits color corrected the suit so that it looks more like its classic comic book counterpart?

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#227655
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
And who or what would that be?

The evil woman who butchered Superman's costume in Superman Returns. She comes across as a very disgusting prick in her interviews.

I agree with ADigitalMan - indigestion sucks.

I hate the SuperHeroHype board people banning me because I used an image from Straw Dogs in their "Mix It Up Movie Caption Thread".