Instead I’ll make it sort of a “NOC list” of reported Force-users/-sensitives that both the Resistance and the First Order are racing to track down.
That sounds kind of like an arc in TCW where they had a holocron listing all the Force-sensitive children in the Galaxy.
Well, then, I’m in good company!
Interesting ending. Not sure how I feel about the stock footage lava, and the footage from other movies, they don’t fit in very well, but it’s a very good idea, and the footage isn’t horrible.
Thanks for the feedback. I fully acknowledge that the added footage isn’t a perfect fit - I just didn’t want to keep recycling clips from ROTS itself. On the other hand maybe I should do exactly that.
Although I have to say: I quite like how the clips from Ewan McGregor’s Last Days in the Desert meshed with the Tatooine/Tusken material. 😃
This isn’t bad, actually. Although I’m pretty sure at this point that I’ll be eliminating the entire “map-to-Luke” thing anyhow. Instead I’ll make it sort of a “NOC list” of reported Force-users/-sensitives that both the Resistance and the First Order are racing to track down. The FO’s intent is to either recruit them - or eliminate them. This will allow me to retain some of the mentions of a “map,” but just drop the “Luke-has-disappeared” angle, which I always thought was stupid (and becomes 100x stupider in TLJ).
I find it difficult to accept that such a huge chunk of the galaxy would be completely unknown for the Empire, or anyone in the galaxy, for that matter. Even if every particular system was not charted in that region, they should have a rough outline from scans, telescopes etc.
For me, two tweaks would alleviate the map issue.
R2’s map would be a roughly COMPLETE MAP of the galaxy with no “hole” in it. The region highlighted in BB8’s map bit would provide greater detail in that specific region, including the final section of the orange “route” to Luke, but the surrounding area wouldn’t be completely blank.
C-3PO’s line, “it matches no charted system on record” is modified to “it matches no charted systems on record”, because the obtained map clearly shows a multitude of star systems, in fact, a whole region of the galaxy, not just a single one.
In my head canon, the orange “route” is a map compiled from Luke’s rumored or reported locations and/or the known locations of notable Jedi sites, and that is the “map”, not just the location of a specific star system in the galaxy.
Tell you what, because of my disenchantment with Disney-SW, I’m gonna go back and read some EU books I hadn’t yet read, starting with the very first one: Eruption. I’ll re-read the Thrawn trilogy too, though I recall not being that enthused with it at the time. In the new canon I did just read Thrawn (origin story) though, and it was excellent.
Kerr’s edit of Episode III is also called Dark Force Rising fyi.
Dang it! Well, these things aren’t exactly copyrighted. 😃
Hi, all. I thought some of you may be interested in this. All feedback welcome! This doesn’t mean the whole project (Eps 1-3 mashup) is complete; I’ve gotta go back to a few earlier chapters to do finishing touches. But this particular chapter has been the most difficult.
I’d said earlier that my title would be Rise of the Empire, but since the EU material is no longer canon, I’m gonna steal Dark Force Rising from the Thrawn trilogy.
https://vimeo.com/278845206
(Password: darkforce)
DominicCobb said:
You couldn’t pay me enough to watch that trash.
I’m curious, Dom: what would your response be if I said the very same thing about TLJ before having seen it? Would you consider that a reasonable stance, or unreasonable?
Collipso said:
yep, he shits on tlj, unfortunately. but it’s an interesting way to compare the two.
Enh, not that unfortunate. 😉
No disrespect to anyone who’s a TFA/TLJ fan, but I am more and more solidly in the “Disney has screwed up this franchise” camp.
One of my biggest disappointments is not seeing the Big Three on screen together one last time. There were just SO MANY better ways the writing could have gone for both these films.
😧 It’s refreshing nowadays to see a movie I don’t feel compelled to reedit.
Collipso said:
i do believe that Episode IX has a much higher chance of sucking than the next Avengers though.Ha, well I guess we can continue to disagree.
“Everything Wrong With Star Wars: The Last Jedi”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oAi0hoJ_28&list=WL&index=2&t=0s
DigMod said:
What NLE are you using? Some times you can get away with it by adjusting the speed rate and remove resampling.
Currently using VideoPad. (I have Sony Vegas 14 but haven’t learned it yet.)
@Anakin Starkiller: Thanks. We’ll see how it pans out though. 😃
I’m convinced it’ll work, but selecting just the right clips for a 2-minute montage is proving quite difficult!
Slow them down, or use interlacing.
Thanks, Sparky. When you say “slow them down,” do you mean within the movie edit? Or do that with the clips separately, and then incorporate the slowed-down clips into the movie edit?
Hi, forum. At the tail end of my prequel mashup, I want to throw in some lava and desert shots meant to represent Mustafar and Tatooine. The shots are high-def from YouTube, but the problem is, that would mean that in my movie I have sources with different frame rates.
This affects the smoothness of the render. Is there a way to convert such clips so they’ll match my primary source?
Thanks!
I’m currently adding a short scene that I believe will solve my dilemma: Obi-Wan returns to Mustafar and finds Anakin’s saber on the shore of the lava river.
This is part of an approximately 2-minute montage of different scenes with a few sound effects, accompanied by this:
https://bit.ly/2wErDbF
The montage will include shots from Ewan McGregor’s Last Days in the Desert, and the final shot will be Tatooine’s setting suns.
DigMod said:
Using a paint program such as Gimp or Photoshop to digitally paint out or mask the other shot on top of another.
Thanks. That sort of thing in new to me. I also googled how to rotoscope in Sony Vegas.
thebluefrog said:
There’s some deleted and unfinished FX footage of the Mustafar fight that I’ve never seen anyone use. Could be something to look into for some alternate angles and shots.
Thanks! I’d never seen that before.
DigMod said:
The jump from the lava fall to the ship departure is too soon to me.
I kinda suspected that myself. I’d still be willing to go with it, but I sure can’t say you’re wrong.
I wonder if you could imply your idea of him going down to the shore line and retrieving Anakin’s lightsaber and show him chared and seemingly dead on the shore.
Superb idea; thanks. I could even include a couple of Obi’s lines, as if he’s just thinking aloud.
I think you could rotoscope the emperor out of the scene where he finds Anakin and use that?
How is that done?
Another approach: In Return of the Jedi, when Obi-Wan finally tells Luke the truth, I could flash back to the brief ROTS clip of Obi calling the lightsaber to him with the Force, and Anakin doing the same; followed immediately by another flashback to ANH where Ben says, “This is your father’s lightsaber.” Cut back to the ROTJ conversation. It’s therefore implied that when they fought, Obi-Wan got ahold of Anakin’s saber and that’s why he could give it to Luke, accompanied by a lie.
NeverarGreat said:
What if they switched lightsabers at some point? There’s actually a few shots during the table fight where Obi-wan is holding Anakin’s lightsaber, but then there’s a shot in between where he’s holding his own so right now it’s a continuity goof.
Holy crap, how does anyone even catch that??? You just marked yourself as a major geek. 😉
(Nothing wrong with that!)
You could re-edit that section of the fight so that they lose their lightsabers, and show Obi-wan Force-calling Anakin’s saber to him.
Not a bad idea!
Or . . . what if I have Obi-Wan going back to Mustafar later on, and finding Anakin’s saber along the shoreline? That would not only explain how he got the saber, but also how he finds out “Darth Vader” is alive. Even the original ROTS implied that Obi-Wan assumed Anakin had died on Mustafar, so I guess we’re left to assume that as reports of the emperor’s righthand man “Darth Vader” began floating throughout the galaxy, Obi-Wan eventually heard about it.
DigMod said:
This is unique as far as I’ve seen.
Wow, something unique among all the prequel reedits out there! I guess that by itself’s an accomplishment, so thanks!
The only real issue I see is that Anakin’s lightsaber went over the lava fall with him.
Yeah, good catch - shoulda caught that myself.
I personally have an issue with the fact that they would have died from being that close to lava period. Ridiculous decision by Lucas, imho.
Great point. In scenes like that - in the context of a Star Wars film - I just chalk it up to them using the Force to do what others couldn’t.
I also think Lucas made a mistake - especially since at that time no further SW movies were expected - not having Vader as Vader in the suit for the third act of the film. Anakin should have been Luke’s age in Episode I, and his downfall better developed from Ep1 through the second act of Ep3. In that second act Anakin could have sustained serious injury (not from dueling Obi-Wan) requiring the Vader suit, and then in the suit he does all the stuff we saw him do in the third act of Ep3.
A related issue is that Anakin’s turn to the dark side is way too quick. He basically goes from arrogant whiner to child-killer overnight - and mainly because of fears for his wife’s survival??? So one of the changes I’ve made in my mashup is to portray Anakin as a bad seed right from the start: he doesn’t generally make jokes, he doesn’t whine, and he doesn’t generally have “fun” (Ep3: “Here’s where the fun begins”). He mostly broods (e.g., in my version he doesn’t whine about not being deemed a master; he just gives Windu a staredown). Therefore when he goes full-dark it’s not as much of a contrast to what he already was.
Great feedback - thanks, guys. Just what I needed.
OutboundFlight said:
This cut has pros and cons. I agree that it makes Obi-Wan’s abandonment of Anakin more believable.
That was my primary goal.
At the same time, you’d be losing arguably the best performance in the trilogy.
True also. What if I made it seem as if Palpatine’s shuttle was already descending, so that Obi-Wan simply had to get out of there? This was actually my original plan; I only thought of the other idea in the midst of editing that chapter.
Also, how does Obi-Wan get Anakin’s light saber?
Crap, I hadn’t even thought of that! :-\
On the other hand . . . we already know that Ben lied to Luke about his father’s identity. What if he lied about the lightsaber as well? Maybe he gave Luke a saber that was modeled after Anakin’s - so it was Anakin’s “from a certain point of view.”
Lastly, this cut makes Anakin’s defeat purely misfortune, instead of his recklessness causing his burns.
Also a good consideration.
This concerns the ROTS portion of my Ep1-3 mashup (https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reedit-Super-Series/id/59213/page/1); here’s chapter 20 of Rise of the Empire. Both duels on Mustafar and Coruscant are present, of course, but severely trimmed. The ending is the most important because I’ve changed the circumstance under which Obi-Wan finally leaves Mustafar.
https://vimeo.com/268402238
(Password: empire)
I’d really love some feedback as to how you think this turned out. My problem with the original version is that I just found it stupid that Obi-Wan leaves Anakin slowly dying on the edge of the lava flow. Why wouldn’t he kill him outright - or perhaps even try to save Anakin since at that point he’d already defeated him?
LordZerome1080 said:
For Ep3 use NFBISMS, as for titles how about for ROTS: The Return Of The Sith, for AOTC: The Grand Plan Advances, for TPM: The Sith Emerge, and for RO: The First Strike Of The Rebellion.
I like the sound of “First Strike”; I’ll have to think about that. The other titles wouldn’t work though because I’m not separately reediting each prequel; I’m combining them in one (and am almost finished with that, as you can see from the Mustafar vid I linked).
What’s “NFBISMS”?
LordZerome1080 said:
This sounds fantastic!!! Btw what version of the OT are you using?
Thanks! I’ll use the Special Editions as a “base,” cuz I like some of the enhancements. But I’ll drop in some original clips, such as–
And others that come to mind. Any suggestions?
Here’s chapter 20 of Rise of the Empire: both duels on Mustafar and Coruscant, but severely trimmed. The ending is the most important because I’ve changed the circumstance under which Obi-Wan finally leaves Mustafar.
(Password: empire)