I definitely find the reed joke to be an authentic Luke moment. Its one of the only scenes where his OT persona seems to surface for a brief moment in my opinion.
I hear you guys, lol. Sorry Frink! LOL 😉
The whole idea of Luke wanting to kill Ben, (if only for a moment,) just doesn’t fit him at all. If only Rian Johnson had provided some background on what it was that made Luke take that leap.
Had a thought for a slight change to TLJ. When Luke is “thinking” fleetingly about ending Ben Solo’s life, we should use Audio of Snoke saying something like “kill him!” If Snoke was the impetus for Luke’s actions, that would be much better than Luke himself thinking of doing it.
ImperialFighter, I really like this idea. The backstory of Luke and Kylo Ren really took me out of the story completely. I could not suspend disbelief.
Its just so uncharacteristic of Luke as to be unbelievable. If Luke told the truth right out of the gate, it would be much more fitting, mitigating Rian’s "creative choice"of making Luke into a dick.
Also, how poetic that a simple misunderstanding would create Kylo Ren? The way its currently edited makes it feel as though Luke is just a big Asshole who really did go Lunatic on his nephew. If truth came out right away, even if you kept Kylo’s telling, you would know that its Ben’s warped perception of things.
You could also re purpose the small fight between Rey and Luke that you want to cut out into a training montage of sorts with new music. Just a thought.
I almost wish it were possible to see Luke training some Padawans in a flashback, and then maybe Kylo kills one of the Padawans “accidentally” during his exercises.
Hal I just saw the edit, and HOT DAMN. The dramatic tension was way better in this version to the point that the Starkiller actually mattered to me. All you guys did great work, Wow. I also love R2 searching his database. 😃 Love it.
Having seen The Last Jedi, I thought it might be a good idea to edit the final duel a bit in The Force Awakens. Ren’s wound being in the wrong place is a bit jarring, but more than that, Knowing what’s coming vis Kylo and Rey gave me some ideas.
I think it would be good for the overall narrative for Rey not to kick Kylo’s ass in TFA. The duel should be cut in such a way that there is merely a stalemate, with Rey running and defending herself, until the crevice opens between her and Ren ending in stalemate.
Ren’s temporary scar could easily be explained as “he just got it while leaving the base.”
Rey beating Kylo so easily makes Kylo Ren seem very weak and ill suited to be worthy of his eventual arc in The Last Jedi since no time has passed between films.
If their duel ends in a stalemate, it leaves more room for the ambiguity that arises in the next film’s narrative. George and JJ initially developed Kylo Ren as “Jedi Killer,” not the “Emo Ren” who gets his ass handed to him by a neophyte.
After seeing the Last Jedi, it seems fitting that Kylo and Rey should have a stalemate (by Snoke’s design.)
Okay wait, why is this not a risk for the Resistance cruiser?
It is a risk for the resistance cruiser and feeds Poe’s need to start a mutiny. The audience is smart enough to grapple with their own ideas of perceived danger/issues.
More than Tie Fighters being the issue, why didn’t the 1st order jump ahead of the resistance vessels and tractor them?
This idea of mine has logical holes of its own, just as the Asteroid chase did in Empire, but the implementation of the chase as it is now wreaks of being a mcguffen and bad writing.
I know that fuel is part of the Star Wars galaxy, but it hasn’t been used this way (minus the Phantom Menace, which btw was a terrible plot device then too.) It was also a fleeting plot device, not a thread central to the narrative.
The Hyperdrive leaking was not the impetus for a half hour drawn out chase scene.
One issue I have with that sequence is that the 1st order could literally just kill everyone with Tie Fighters any time,but choose not to. Han, Leia, and 3PO react to the asteroids, but the imperials do not.
What I mean by exposition by sight is that there are things you did not need to be told to understand in the original movies. Watch the asteroid sequence in ESB again. The empire never mentions “Oh no, Asteroids! How do we catch those rebels?” The main trio reacts to it largely for comedic effect and not drama. Music and visual cues drive the drama in that sequence.
The issue with the sequence in The Last Jedi as it is, isn’t that the low fuel plot device doesn’t work, its that it falls flat for any audience member who thinks about it.
Even if you have no reaction from either side, the fuel issue would work in tandem with the visual cue of being surrounded by black holes. Why have we never seen “low fuel” as a plot device before?
Because everyone assumes that a ship capable of light speed travel has no issue with energy supply. The rationale is that the fuel is low due to the environment. The black holes become the impetus for Poe’s mutiny even though we don’t say it, in true Star Wars style of exposition by sight.
Poe still opines that they are in great danger, but as the film presently runs, there is no indication of that. Having this element would just make the existing plot more believable with visual cues.
Black holes were an inherent part of the old EU via the Maw Cluster/kessel run.
The ship is fleeing the 1st order going past a black hole. fighters are being sucked in creating a giant fireball. I know its crappy. lol
Here is my crappy mockup of how I would change the low fuel chase scene.
If Crait was located at the center of a briar patch of black holes, it would tick certain boxes for dealing with the big issues in the sequence.
-why doesn’t the 1st order go to lightspeed to come out ahead of them? They would be swallowed by the black holes.
-why not send out fighters to destroy them?
Black Hole.
-Why does Poe Mutiny? WE ARE GOING TO DIE AT ANY MOMENT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4wSdjNYp0 We need the guy who runs this channel to do VFX for fan edits.
I really think getting rid of the ship plot line would lessen the movie. Maybe Snooker could do some VFX work for that scene, ie a field of ship eating black holes. I think Canto Bight could be made more relevant if we made a backstory for Finn. If he remembered his life before the 1st order, freeing the space horses might be more symbolic.
NeverarGreat that is a much easier solution lol. I just thought black holes would be badass.
For the scene where the Raddus and the remainder of the resistance are being chased by the 1st order (when they are ultimately headed to Crait,) we as an audience need a reason why the 1st order doesn’t just send out ties to kill everyone, or jump to light speed themselves to get ahead of the resistance and kill them off. We also need more of a reason for Poe to be pissed at Holdo
I was thinking that the flight path of the ships needs to be encumbered by something truly dangerous. It cant be asteroids, (to similar Empire Strikes Back,) but perhaps black holes? If the region is kind of a dangerous black hole ridden briar patch with Crait hidden within, this would genuinely make their plan to “just” stay ahead of the 1st order make sense.
It might also make Leia receiving Han’s dice more poignant, because of the Kessel Run.
One idea I have is to make Star-killer Base into a literal base, not the weapon. The weapon is a mobile weapon, IE either the dreadnaught, or Snoke’s ship from 8. The Gun of Star-Killer from seven becomes the dock for the mobile weapon which has the star killer laser on it.
The weapon can track you through light speed, but because the weapon on it is so huge, the base is its primary shield source and also the means to charge the now mobile superlaser.
Having the weapon that destroys the Hosnian System be a mobile weapon differentiates from the older films.
My idea to salvage the Canto Bight sequence and cement a real bond between Finn and Rose
When Finn is in his bacta medical suit at the begining of the film we need Finn to have a flashback sequence that runs through his experiences as a character starting from childhood, giving us more details of his background.
In my mind, a dream/flashback would go something like this.
We hear a voice saying “you steal Children?” “we rescue them to serve the 1st order.” ominous music plays while we initially see children playing with Jedi wooden toys, and then we hear a child scream. A woman’s face comes to frame IE Fin’s mother, and then we hear “FN2187” a fast montage of footage from episode 7 plays (Fin’s trooper friend dying, imperial propoganda, etc.) and then the last moments of finn seeing Rey taken away, or his duel injury. He awakes as he does in the movie screaming Rey!!!
If we had this flashback as part of Finn’s introduction, it would tell the audience that he was once just an innocent boy who admired the Jedi, their stories, played with friends, but was kidnapped, and his family was killed before he was brainwashed by Phasma.
This would make Finn’s impulse to run and be afraid initially very understandable. Rose’s story of losing her sister would also now have an emotional effect on finn at the same time. A bond between two unknowns now exists.
Releasing the Fathiers, and seeing the Opulance of Canto Bight, and the suffering of animals would now (in the audience’s mind) have a personal effect on Finn, because of what we have been reminded about his beginings, and what he himself has been reminded of in his coma flashback.
-audio from battlefront II with Admiral Hask could be used because he talks with Iden Versio about how children of the galaxy are being “rescued” IE stolen to serve as the 1st order Stormtroopers.
-Footage in episode 8 of the kids playing Jedi adventure can be used to imply that one of those innocent boys was a young Finn. (foreshadowing that he chooses the resistence later in the film.)
-The deleted scene "Finn and the villager"could be used where the villager is implied to be Finn’s mother.
Rey being sent away by Luke really should have been the Impetus for Kylo’s turn to the dark side, not Luke’s fear of Kylo’s darkness.
Luke tells us about himself grappling with his own status as a “legend.” If Rey had been a half sister of Kylo Ren, the words of Yoda “there is another,” could have thematically connected to Luke’s struggle. IE Luke was going to be upstaged by the raw potential of the next generation, vanity, anger, etc. (over her parentage) also being a factor of why Luke sends her away.
I think force backs could be used to change who Rey’s parents are and to erase this idea of Luke as a psychopath hellbent on killing his own nephew.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this film. On the one hand it was a great movie and had some very strong moments of action, (Admiral Holdo save the day scene) expanded lore, (force based Skype and astral projection) and drama (the throne room scene.) On the other hand, the direction they went with Luke’s ark was just abysmal in my opinion.
I felt that the backstory/raison’detre for Kylo Ren and Luke’s confrontation and Ren’s turn to evil really just ruins Luke’s ark as a character over the course of the whole saga. It makes our hero into a huge asshole who didn’t amount to much or learn anything.
Luke knows about pain, loss, and extreme darkness first hand ten times over, but he needs to kill Kylo Ren to stop his power? Or think about doing it? Absolute BS!!!
That plot point alone invalidated whole swathes of lessons learned from the original films. Its as though OT Luke didn’t even exist or lose his limb, his aunt, uncle, father, mother, and mentor.
The idea of Luke being afraid of his Nephew’s power is like the idea of Freddy Kruger being afraid of the dark. ARE YOU KIDDING me?
The idea that Luke is VERY scared of Ren’s darkness is just absurd.
I appreciate that they were going for a “broken” or disillusioned take on Luke, where the weight on his shoulders of rebuilding the Jedi order was so overwhelming. Being deified and of mythic proportions would sour anyone who was alive to see it happen to them.
I also understand that Luke perceived training to be an ultimately dead end vis Jedi, due to the flaw he saw of hubris in Jedi teachings, but the way this was handled in the movie was just bad.
That to me constitutes the central flaw of the film. I did not fundamentally believe that we were dealing with Luke Skywalker at all.
If anything, it was like “Luuke” the clone, from the Heir to the Empire novels.
-I would have made Rey into Kylo’s half sister. Han could have been her dad, and an unknown woman her mother. The conflict between Luke and Kylo could have been framed in such a way that Ben was just sick of all the lies from his family, and this could have fed his turn. Luke in turn could have felt betrayed by Han, and passive aggressively (Jedi Hubris) taken it out on Kylo.
Sending Rey away (because Luke is following the Jedi code where attachment is forbidden,) could have been the spark that lead to Kylo’s turn rather than Luke trying to kill Ben. It would also mean that Luke actually learned and grew as a Character.
I absolutely loved Snoke’s command ship, and I thought of some edit ideas surrounding that.
(A mobile super weapon destroyed by a loyal officer’s self sacrifice would be so perfect and make a more menacing weapon.)
The plot hole created by Episode 8’s “mobile death star tech” made a bigger hole out of Star killer base than it was before, so replacing Star Killer Base, and editing 7 and 8 together might fix that.
-Scenes from 7 could also add much needed breathing time to The Last Jedi. For being a 2 1/2 hour film, it never gave anyone time to breathe or process.
-Battlefront 2 Maz Kanata scene needs to be axed
Frozen floating miracle Leia scene needs to be recut or removed. If we can make it look like a force field caught her before she goes out into space, that would be a cool fix.
The New Yoda puppet looks like its the family guy Yoda cartoon character made for live action film. I loved the scene itself, its heart, and its humor, but I have to ask if they even checked reference photos or the Archives? Did Frank Oz know it wouldn’t even look like Yoda?
No backstory for Snoke? JESUS CHRIST ON A BIKE MAN! Upon seeing what happened, I was really wondering how to pull off a future film in 9? Totally wasted potential with Snoke.
Dooku speaking to Qui-Gon through the Force would feel really forced (haha) and amateur.
Thats why I said it would be a cheat lol
Dooku says Qui Gon in Episode II, so maybe you could have a close up of Qui gon, and have Dooku speak to him (through the force,) and then Obiwan could ask “I dont understand why he quit,” cluing in to the fact that Dooku is speaking to Qui Gon.
Its a bit of a cheat, but then, you would be able to use what is available without a ton of fuss.
I love the idea of the Dooku Amidala scene. I dont have the VFX skill, but I wanted to do a scene for an edit that used the Jedi Library deleted scene. I thought it would be great to have a conversation between Qui Gon and ObiWan where Obiwan asks
“I dont understand why he (Dooku) quit.” then Qui Gon could say "dont focus on your anxieties Obiwan, etc.
I felt like Obiwan was massively underutilized in Episode 1, and having a scene where he and Qui Gon discuss why Dooku left the order, might make it easier to understand why Obiwan doesn’t do much. The rationale being that he is struggling with Dooku’s betrayal of Jedi ideals.
Awesome man. I wish it was possible to dub the film with the clone wars cast
So Awesome man. More of the Dooku Amadala clip. Brilliant!
Dear God! Amazing quality. This trailer makes it look like someone sneezed all over the Blu Ray transfer. Excellent.
shoot me a link when you are doing private screenings Sheepish. This sounds intriguing.