He said them? I’m so intrigued now.
SparkySywer said:
In the actual context of the scene that’s from, Yoda and Obi-Wan are talking about how Anakin fell to the dark side because he was unprepared and the Emperor manipulated him, and now Luke’s leaving Dagobah, with his training unfinished, to go face Vader. Especially since the Emperor wants Luke and his abilities.I really don’t think it’s about the crazy Marvel superpowers the Emperor has, because, well, for one, Force Lightning isn’t in ESB, and for two, Luke never fights the Emperor in the entire trilogy.
HAHAHAHAHAHA (this isn’t even hyperbole I actually laughed so hard upon seeing this)
This proves you didn’t actually watch the movies. Yoda says to not underestimate the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. Not Empire Strikes Back. Force lightning is in Return of the Jedi.
I would think people on a forum called ORIGINALTRILOGY.COM would actually know jack and shit about the original trilogy.
Watch the movies, because you clearly haven’t. I literally just provided examples for you completely ignored them. And another purist dude here literally AGREED WITH ME.
Also regarding Bede’s comments, what he suggested is another valid way to incorporate Yoda in the prequels, so I can’t really say you’re wrong, but I like what they actually did. I also don’t find the duels in AOTC and ROTS fake, I think they’re great, especially the ones in ROTS. Shadiversity (a guy who actually knows sword fighting) even did a video analyzing the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan duel move-by-move and he thinks it’s fantastic and one of the best choregraphed duels in films (he also analyzed the Last Jedi duel and found it to be absolutely horrible). But again, whether something looks fake to you is rather subjective so I can’t really say you’re wrong.
I’ve watched the whole saga multiple times and I’ve never heard of “Death Vader”. Must be in the alternate universe versions of the movies you watched, because clearly we haven’t been watching the same ones.
Also how is the Tragedy of Darth Vader story not coherent? He becomes a Jedi, becomes an evil Sith midway through the third movie, is evil for the next two movies and the greater part of the sixth one, and then redeems himself at the end of said sixth one. “Not being coherent” would be if Vader was a good guy in ESB.
I can understand why it was omitted for scene transitioning reasons (with the arrangement you had there didn’t really seem like any good place to put it), but I always felt it was a shame that Anakin’s counseling with Yoda wasn’t in LOE. I think it’s a very well-written scene and it further shows why Anakin went to the Sith: the Jedi didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear.
It’s your edit of course, you can do what you want, but since you brought it up I guess I thought my thoughts might be appropriate.
This is actually really good timing for redoing this, as Hal has just announced he’s using better upscales for the deleted scenes for new versions of his edits. You used Hal’s edits previously, didn’t you?
Imagine thinking that Yoda just not ever involving himself into anything is more interesting. That would definitely make him quite hypocritical when he says “Do, or do not, there is no try”. He doesn’t say, “You’re better off just watching everything bad happen from a distance and not do anything about it.” Him knowing Anakin more personally is way more impactful and makes for a better narrative. It makes it so Yoda is more right to be cautious about training Luke. He shouldn’t just sit out as the entire galaxy goes to shit and the Sith take over. Like wow, what a great hero.
It’s not the EU that “rehabilitated” them, he just learned between the movies. It’s established in Revenge of the Sith that he became Qui-Gon’s apprentice, it doesn’t take much to realize that the change in his character between the prequels and the originals was because his perspective changed during his exile. There’s not even any EU stuff that covers what Yoda did between ROTS and ESB. Guess who also had character development between films? Luke, between ESB and ROTJ. He grew from rash and impatient to collected and wise. But I guess that wasn’t actually in the movies.
He didn’t say “Don’t underestimate the Emperor’s ability to manipulate people”, he said “The powers of the Emperor.” It’s a clear foreshadowing to his force lightning anyway, as the moment Luke lets his guard down and underestimates the Emperor, he gets attacked by force lightning. Force lightning is the payoff to all the talk of the Emperor being someone you don’t underestimate. And Yoda knew this, because force lightning was how he lost.
First, Palpatine shows more powers to Yoda then lightsaber dueling. He uses telekinesis and force lightning too. In fact the first thing he does is force lightning. Second, the force in the prequels is the same as in the original movies. They didn’t introduce anything new. Force lightning, telekinesis (Vader throws objects at Luke in ESB, force choking is technically telekinesis, Yoda lifting up an entire X-Wing), force speed and super high jumping (Luke did it in ESB AND ROTJ when he jumped up to avoid Vader, and Vader also did a big jump in ESB), seeing into the future, fast lightsaber dueling (sometimes Vader and Luke’s duels can actually be pretty fast in their most intense parts; the only reason they weren’t faster is because Luke is a novice force user and Vader isn’t trying to kill him, it makes a ton of sense that Jedi masters that trained for decades would be incredibly fast and powerful), it’s all there. The force giving people “superpowers” is not something the prequels introduced. They’ve been there from the beginning. The prequels just showed far more experienced and powerful force users more often using their powers (often because the circumstances were more right in the prequels to show off their full power; Vader was incredibly powerful but had to hold back the vast majority of the time). They’re just the original powers dialed up because they feature more powerful, experienced people who are more skilled with those powers more often in circumstances where they should use their full powers. Stop pretending the original trilogy didn’t have any force superpowers. Don’t pretend Yoda didn’t lift an X-Wing, Luke didn’t jump super quick high up in the air to escape the Carbonite freezing, Vader didn’t choke a guy that was in a different location then him and threw things at Luke, and that parts in his fight with Vader in ROTJ actually go really quick. Third, the prequels are nothing like Dragonball Z. They have just as much in common with them as the originals.
Also the force in the prequels isn’t just superpowers and fights. The Jedi fight as a last resort. Do you not remember everything Qui-Gon said about the will of the Force and how the Force will guide them? Literally the first discussion in the entire prequels is Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan about needing to be “in the moment.” Qui-Gon was overall very elegant and faithful. I guess you also conveniently forgot about Anakin and Yoda’s talk about how he should “rejoice for those who transform into the force.” All the times they say “May the force be with you”? “Balance to the force”? The force is still very much a spiritual thing. And no, midichlorians do not remove that. They’re the bridge that connects living beings to the force, NOT the force itself.
But that Death Star hologram is inconsistent with the actual design. The AOTC one is more accurate.
As long as Obi beats him good again and before vanishing for a second time tells him, “You still have much to learn, Darth.”
Hahahaha no
It shouldn’t be easy for Vader but it shouldn’t be easy for Obi-Wan. Both should be very powerful, with Vader having an edge in power but Obi-Wan has the edge in terms of wits.
You wouldn’t get Christensen back just to be in the suit, so I imagine there will be some flashbacks. But I’ll throw my hat in for some Anakin-desert-hallucinations or something Tyler Durden-y. Obi-Wan “seeing” Anakin as he goes on his adventures.
Well they said he would be playing Darth Vader so I interpreted that as actually playing him in the suit. I can imagine they’re probably going to do both what you said and that.
I stand corrected on Vader facing Obi-Wan.
I can’t wait to see that and the Jedi Purge scene!
I’m incredibly hyped to see Vader again. I really hope they finally bring his juggernaut comic self on screen and the fact that they’re bringing Hayden Christensen to act as him is amazing. He was so happy to play him in the suit in ROTS and I can just imagine how awesome this must be for him. Probably a dream come true. ROTS proved he’s got the perfect build for playing Vader as well so it’s perfect.
I honestly don’t think they’re actually going to have him and Obi-Wan meet. If I were to guess his role will probably be attempting to hunt him down. But if they do meet I’d be interested in seeing how they’d execute it.
Please please have him duel Jedi.
I’m already geeking out so hard. The only thing that could make this better is if they brought in Liam Neeson, had him play Qui-Gon and had him talk with Obi-Wan and maybe even try to reach Vader. I think Qui-Gon’s inclusion would definitely make Obi-Wan’s side of the story even more interesting.
Very interested in seeing what they do with both of these amazing characters.
YOOOOOOO GUYS VADER IS GOING TO BE IN THE OBI-WAN SERIES AND HE’S GOING TO BE PLAYED BY HAYDEN!!!
WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!
What changed between when Yoda’s talking big to Palpatine and when he says “Failed, I have”?
Nothing to do with the Jedi or the Republic, or the Sith or the Empire. What changed is he lost a fight. That’s kind of what we have to go on, and that’s really the only real interpretation I think you can get from the movie itself.
Not to mention, why does he realize he’s failed then of all times, if he’s talking about some grand centuries-long, galaxy-defining failure? I’d say even before the fight, even if Yoda won, Palpatine getting as far as he did shows that something at least had failed. If this was all actually in the prequels, why wouldn’t he say this right when it became obvious that Palpatine was a Sith?
What changed was that he lost the duel, and that loss made him rethink everything that happened before then. Like thinking, “Where did it go all wrong?”
He didn’t say that immediately because it took him some time to realize that the Jedi failed the galaxy. He didn’t just lose the fight, he failed to prevent Palpatine from rising to power from the beginning. Sometimes it takes time to process such an immense amount of grief and loss. You immediately blame the thing right in front of you instead of the deeper things, the former being the Sith and the latter being Jedi complacency.
So the full quote is:
“Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have.”
Yes?
I don’t think that line is necessarily a confession of failure over hundreds of years, but it’s MORE than “I lost a lightsaber fight.” If Yoda had beaten Palpatine in that duel, I’m guessing Yoda and Kenobi would stick around and try to restore the Republic instead of going into exile.
Why would they need to go into exile if they defeated Palpatine? They would just build a better Republic and a new Jedi order that’s less complacent and corrupt.
I’d argue that Yoda should never have appeared in the PT. Establishing that he was exiled from the order in TPM would’ve been a nice subversion, demonstrating how far the Jedi had fallen since its “golden days.”
Ahh but there’s the real problem, and keeping all of the ESB twists intact would require far more creativity.
Or maybe because it would contradict more lines from the original trilogy? Like Yoda knowing who Luke’s father was enough to say “Powerful Jedi was he” and “Much anger in him… like his father”. How else would he know to “Not underestimate the powers of the Emperor”? And how else would he learn “Wars not make one great” without having experienced that first hand.
That’s another thing that a lot of people miss. When he says “Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor” that obviously means he faced him before. Obviously he was witness to the Emperor’s power first hand. That actually becomes a plot hole for anyone who removes that duel from the movie, because now how else would he know the Emperor’s power? It fits into the original trilogy perfectly.
Actual photograph of everyone asking Adywan for the link when the edits are finished
Absolutely. Hate to sound impatient or entitled but I’d much rather have them be released as they’re done so I can watch them as soon as possible.
Aren’t visions of the future a power every force user has? Luke had them too and he was very novice.
I liked how it further showcased that Anakin had every reason to be worried about Padme in Revenge of the Sith. It bugs me when people say “He turned to the dark side because of a vague dream”. Well, he had the same visions about his mother and those came true, and Ahsoka’s were going to come true before she did something to stop them. It further shows that Anakin had more reason to believe that Padme would die in childbirth then that she wouldn’t.
Regarding #7, of course back when the original trilogy was being made it was about Luke and he was the main character. George has never denied that. He even admitted in one of the ROTS featurettes that Vader was originally just going to be a pathetic henchmen, but because he became so iconic he eventually grew to be the amazing complex character we have today that is now the most well-developed in all of Star Wars. After George made the prequels it become the story of Anakin/Vader as the prequels focused on him and he was a prominent figure in the original trilogy, his character journey being concluded in those three movies (which by the way, just shows how good the original trilogy is; it satisfyingly concludes a character journey created 20 years later). You can’t say the entire saga is about Luke when he’s only present in 4/6 movies, and he’s a very very very minor part at the very end of one of those four, so really only half of the saga.
Luke may be the protagonist of the original trilogy alone, but the whole overarching (pre-Disney) saga is about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin.
So are you going to be recreating this extended edition?
Before the dark times… before Master Yoda
Wait, ANH:R has been released in 720p?
Throughout the entire saga Yoda is reedited to be his meme self: a crazy ketamine addict who likes to run over people with his Honda Civic and committed many war crimes that were instrumental to the downfall of Yugoslavia.
Damn some people just don’t understand Return of the Jedi don’t they 😂
I fully understood this shit when I was fucking 13. Two words: CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Why tf is Birdwatcher whining that the characters aren’t exactly the same they are in ESB? LUKE MATURED AND IS NO LONGER SCARED OF VADER, MOVIE BAD. Like darn it’s not like a whole lot has happened since then in-universe. It’s not like the Emperor is evil and likes to torment people, Vader is conflicted and Luke is trying to redeem is father. Nooooooo…
Also before he was redeemed Vader still wanted to overthrow the Emperor with Luke. But the Emperor wasn’t just going to let Luke kill him right there. If anything Vader saved Luke from the Emperor’s wrath.
Hamill showed a lot of emotion on the bridge scene. The delivery of “Search your feelings father, you can’t do this. I feel the conflict within you let go of your hate” is perfect.
Luke threw away his lightsaber to show defiantly that he wouldn’t kill his father.
Can’t wait! You’re easily the most dedicated and talented fan-editor around and your edits are the best of the original trilogy by far. The new visuals are stunning and your attention to detail is astounding. I’m so excited to watch all three.
Hey guys. I got ESB:R back when it came out and loved it. I recently heard there was an upscale to 1080p somewhere. Does anybody know anything about this?
bryantmh made it. I can send you the link if you’d like.
This is a really good edit, my only problem is that even though it has 6 channel sound only 3 of the channels actually play audio. I would like to use this as the base for my edit and I’d like my saga to have consistently 6 channel sound, would you be able to fix it?
