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honestabe said:

This is a very fascinating concept. However, I think having him face Vader may be too on the nose. Could Vader be replaced with a shadowy-hooded figure that the audience could interpret as Sidious? I am not personally sure, but I really like the idea of Anakin confronting some form of a “demon.”

I definitely see where you’re coming from, as for first time audiences it could be interpreted as Anakin facing Sidious (as the prophecy says) and being killed. Either that or its interpreted as Anakin facing his dark side.

My idea was that I’d be a visual metaphor for the conflict between Anakin and Vader. Anakin, the passionate heroic Jedi, and Vader, the cold cruel Sith. A big goal is to make them feel like the same person by making Anakin colder when he’s using the dark side (scenes of him whining and complaining are gone), thus highlighting their duality (he seems so much more alive when he’s on the light side then the dark). And Anakin, through his passion for saving people, will be destroyed by his lust for power, the cold, mechanical Vader.

So in that sense, if you did replace Vader with a more mysterious figure, it would still work if that figure is entirely stoic, still, and cold. Because the point is that it symbolizes the duality between his passion and cold.

The idea behind the lines were that you could construct them by combining words from other lines. “As you wish”, “Captain Solo”, “Skywalker”, “I want him alive”, and “bounty hunter” are things the respective characters have said before.

Off the top of my head I don’t remember when Vader said, “will come for”, though.

Add back the deleted scene where Vader chokes Moff Jerjerrod, but he kills him anyway after Jerjerrod says, “It is the Emperor’s command”, and Vader gives a snarky remark, “My apologies” (from Rogue One).

Sets up Vader’s conflict with the Emperor far better and also gives us some classic Vader force choking just like ESB.

For my AOTC edit I’d really like to include something like this (made by snooker) for Anakin’s nightmare

https://streamable.com/msthr

ifjg said:

How are you planning on doing the added Vader/Sidious scene?

Sorry for late reply.

Cinefy helped me create the scene by creating a deepfake of the Emperor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWj-c8hvFBA

I read it as her recognizing the guy who captured and tortured her and being afraid of Vader.

Z6PO said:

Speaking of similar scenes in the same movie: the sister reveal is explained 3 times! First Luke get the news, then he breaks the news to Leia, and then Leia has to explain it to Han. It makes sense for the characters to get this information, but for the audience it’s the exact same reveal repeated 3 times. And it’s boring.

I thought it worked. There its interesting to see each character’s reaction.

Channel72 said:

Also, Leia seemingly has no reaction to the fact that this implies Vader is also her father. (Luke tells her Vader is his father in the same scene.) Maybe her reaction is delayed or she doesn’t immediately make the connection. She’s upset a few minutes later after Luke leaves, when Han comes by. But it’s implied she’s upset mostly because Luke had to leave.

You’d think she’d have a much stronger reaction, like “Holy shit, you mean the evil cyborg that tortured me, and tortured Han, and stood by and watched as my whole planet exploded, etc. is my father??”

Nah I always figured part of the reason she didn’t want to talk to Han was partially of that realization. She was still processing all of that information and wanted some alone time.

A version of the opening of ROTJ showing them outlining and spoiling the whole plan sounds super boring. It’s not the kind of plan that’s fascinating to see the planning of, it really only works cinematically because of the buildup.

Also having two similar scenes in one movie (planning of the attack on Endor) is never a good idea.

Very good, I’m a fan of the direction. Still, I can’t take, “Love won’t save you…” seriously. I think the “More powerful than any Jedi…” line and wanting to rule the galaxy gives the idea enough.

Why did you remove the line “I’m more powerful then the Chancellor, I can overthrow him.”? I don’t see anything wrong with it.

I do think it’d be weird to make a prequel trilogy without Obi-Wan finding Anakin and bringing him in to become a Jedi as it was explicitly mentioned in ROTJ. Having Anakin be brought into the Jedi on-screen also allows us an organic introduction to them and the Republic (since we’d be from the perspective of someone from the Outer Rim) through our protagonist.

But yeah, the content of ROTS should’ve been 2 movies, not one.

daveybjones999 said:

With regards to Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader I don’t really have an issue with it. I think most people’s complaints are that what ends up being his main motivation should have been his side motivation, and vice versa.

I feel like my biggest problem is that it should’ve been focused less on attachment, and more on power.

Darth Vader in the OT loved power. He boasted the power of the dark side, wanted to bring order to the galaxy, and even his jokes are him flexing his superiority over others.

The biggest theme throughout the trilogy should’ve been love vs. power. Anakin is a man who can’t stand being vulnerable and craves control. Control over the political process, control over when the Jedi do and don’t act, and control over death. To make himself and the ones he loves immortal so he can be with them forever and never have to fear losing them or losing his own life.

Anakin uses the dark side more and more to learn the secret to cheat death, but the more he does so, the more of his soul he gives up. The less he is Anakin, and the more he is Vader. All of Anakin’s compassion, empathy, and warmth is corrupted as he becomes more and more cold-hearted. He puts on a mask to hide his softness. He gains all the power in the world, but he’s left with so little humanity that nobody could love what he’s become anymore. Padme, Obi-Wan, and the Jedi love Anakin, not Vader. Anakin hates being vulnerable, but that’s when his loved ones love him the most. And that’s the tragedy. Anakin loves being Darth Vader because it makes him feel powerful, but it makes him alone. And eventually, despite still loving Anakin, the people that love him realize that he’s gone.

I don’t see what Padme surviving or dying has to do with reordering scenes in the second act. Especially if one of the overall goals is to make the nightmare the sum of a greater whole rather then the main thing. Putting the nightmare first sets the tone for the rest of the movie.

I find it unfortunate that the “cheat death” line has to go because it’s the only one that refers to it that way rather then “save Padme”, which sounds way too altruistic to be a dark side power. Cheat death sounds more sinister and more likely for Anakin to believe to come from the dark side of the force. “Cheat death” has an entirely different vibe from “save someone from dying”. One sounds appropriately like a pact with the devil, the other like going to to the hospital.

I also think Anakin also receiving a vision of himself burning on Mustafar and making the pact so he can be immortal too is also a cool idea, but I doubt you’d include it.

hinventon said:

Your Empire edit sounds great, can I get a link?

Sent.

Also, my ANH edit is no longer on hiatus. After Adywan’s last update made it clear ANH:R won’t be released for awhile, I’m gonna make my own with his regraded version of the 2011 Blu-Ray until his releases. Therefore I will be working on it as I will all my other edits.

Servii said:

Sure they can, but within limits. And I think Star Wars should try to steer clear of glorifying him. I didn’t mind the Rogue One hallway scene, but I think a lot of fans took away the wrong idea from that scene.

Every villain’s actions are “glorified”. They should feel badass otherwise they’d have no screen presence. People still understand that they’re evil.

No to an entire movie of Vader hunting Jedi (tho I want at least one Vader v. Jedi duel in which he wins, ANH told us he’s a Jedi hunter and we never saw that). Something more like a “haunted house” movie with him as the villain from a Rebel squadron or Jedi’s POV, or exploring his inner psyche like the comics do would be better. But still not necessary.

Eh, Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good, but I wouldn’t say amazing. I like Din’s relationship with Grogu, but he’s a pretty bland character when it comes down to it, and Moff Gideon started out alright but devolved into a cartoon villain by the end. I never saw TCW, so I never saw the extent of Bo-Katan’s crimes, but I didn’t really care about her or about Mandalore, to be honest.

I don’t think Djarin’s bland. He’s introverted and reserved but that doesn’t make him bland. He has this awkward charm to him that I really like.

Fan_edit_fan said:

“They burned your house down, but washed you’re car, so idk what you’re smoking”

Nah but Vader is the house to me. The sequels are the car as far as I’m concerned.

Then you get stuff like Mando, Rogue One, Andor, and even TFA and it’s like getting extra renovations with a pool and theater.

Servii said:

I’m pretty burnt out on “badass angsty slasher” Vader, and I think a lot of fans have this borderline hero worship of the character that goes too far. A lot of people want an R-rated slasher that’s just about Vader hunting Jedi, for example, but that goes against the spirit of Star Wars.

2017 comic Vader is a lot more complex then that. They did great making a more angry younger version of Vader while still having him feel like himself, unlike most of the prequels. And 2015 comic Vader is straight up OT Vader.

Not saying I want that movie, but isn’t the whole appeal of spin-offs that they can almost be their own thing and not have to adhere to the style and feel of the saga films?

Disney’s given us more then just cooler Vader. Season 1 & 2 of Mando were amazing. Din Djarin is a great character and I still love Grogu. Moff Gideon was a great villain and season 3 finally did what I thought wasn’t possible and made me like Bo-Katan.

George Lucas gave us Vader’s laughably pathetic “Nooooooo!”. Disney took that and made it badass.

Ya’ll saying Disney ruined Star Wars, idk what you’re smoking.

If you want the popular consensus on a movie, IMDB is usually your best bet. Incredibly popular, anybody can leave a rating, no social repercussions for having an unpopular opinion.

DZ-330 said:

So how about that Mandalorian show guys?

awwwwwww cutie baby

Luke’s plan to rescue Han makes complete sense when you realize the reason his plan is so complex is because he’s going out of his way to not have to kill Jabba. Because that’s what Jedi do. Negotiate, not kill.

His first plan is to use the droids as a bargaining chip. Lando is planted there so he can get them out after Han is freed, and they lose nothing. That fails. So Leia’s sent in to free him, but she’s caught. Crap. So Luke has to go in himself. He calmly tries to negotiate with Jabba one last time, but he refuses. He knew about the Sarlacc, but not the Rancor, which is why he’s surprised by it. He planted the lightsaber in R2 in case he was gonna be thrown in the Sarlacc pit. Because otherwise they’d nab it off him when preparing to throw him in. And thus we get the sail barge scene.

Luke’s plan isn’t actually needlessly complicated, it’s just that we saw the worst possible scenario because Jabba is stubborn and insane.

The part where Anakin says, “Mercy doesn’t beat an enemy master”, could be an interesting way to integrate a new plot thread into the Prequels, in which Anakin partially turns because he just sees the dark side as stronger.

In my upcoming ROTS edit for example, he won’t show any guilt to having killed Dooku. Not only because I plan on making Anakin a colder character (when he’s using the dark side) but also because he sees it as the efficient thing to do. This way it’s maybe easier to stomach him being willing to murder all the Jedi because as Palpatine says, “When the Jedi learn what has transpired here, they will kill us”. He can’t let Palpatine die because he agrees with Palpatine’s dictatorship and wants the power to cheat death. So he does what needs to be done.

I have hope for season 4.

Also I really liked seeing Din officially adopt Grogu. That was a touching scene. The final shot with the house was also really cute.

The “Disney has ruined Star Wars forever” crowd weirds me out because like, most ya’ll agree Lucas wasn’t doing the greatest with it either, with the special editions and the prequels.

slightly raises hand I liked the finale.

The season over all was a mess, yes. But it was a good follow up to the previous episode. Short of seeing the Mythosaur beyond it’s eye I’m not sure what was expected.

This also helps justify why Din goes to redeem himself in the Living Waters, despite choosing to remove his helmet for his son in Season 2. Since Din has been cast out by his tribe and no longer has his son, he is in a very lonely place, and is probably desperate to feel a sense of belonging again. He goes to redeem himself because he sees no other options to cure his loneliness, and falls back into old ways. Not long after he reunites with Grogu does he realize why he removed the helmet to begin with, hence why he swears allegiance to Bo-Katan, symbolizing his growth beyond his dogmatic upbringing.

There was nothing wrong with Din wanting to redeem himself after getting Grogu back IMO. Just because he made one exception doesn’t mean he’s not still deeply dedicated to his creed. His respect for The Way has been incredibly consistent and abandoning The Way makes him less interesting. It’s such a defining part of his character.

His arc was never about abandoning The Way. He becomes more accepting of other Mandalorians (like Bo-Katan), but he still remains loyal to The Way.

It never frames The Way as wrong either. Everyone who follows it does so willingly and there’s an easy out. If wearing your helmet all the time is such a big problem, then you can just take it off and get kicked out. Or leave. Religion doesn’t always need to be portrayed in a negative light. The Children of the Watch have always been portrayed in a positive light.

Still, I’m interested in seeing where your edit goes. It seems to be better structured.

The word “objectively” in film criticism is baffling. People do realize story and character tropes that we call “good writing” are designed strictly to evoke emotional reactions out of people? “Good” depends on whether it evoked the intended emotion (or should I say, what the audience feels like is the intended emotion). And emotional reactions are subjective. The very nature of judging film is subjective.

Also, different filmmaking aspects are weighed differently by different people. It’s up to the individual person the ratio for which cinematography, character development, music, pacing, plotting, etc. hold value in their critique. One person could value character development as 50% of their entire critique, or 20%. And so on.

The only way you can use “objectively” in film criticism is if you’re describing what straight up does and doesn’t happen. Like, someone would be objectively wrong to say Darth Vader never sits down in the OT.

Hal 9000 said:

I’ll bear it in mind, but I don’t see cracking AOTC open again anytime soon.

When you said the last round of changes would be the last but people suggest new things