G&G-Fan

As I think about it more, I’m debating the change of Anakin’s vision foreshadowing his burning on Mustafar, as I think it almost victimizes him a bit too much. Vader being born partially from what’s pretty much self-preservation, while still making him look selfish, might border a bit too much on him being a victim rather then a power hungry monster. The only thing is, short of AI dialogue, I can’t really think of another way to add the “Anakin wants to be immortal” angle, which is important to my version.

Is the reason you’re keeping Anakin’s turn mostly the same is because you think it was executed well originally, or because you can’t really think of any additional changes to make it better?

I think the one in ROTJ is better because in the composition it moves towards the Millennium Falcon thus making for a more dynamic shot.

WitchDR said:

Man, I just decided to watch through these movies again recently and it made me remember about this post from years ago! I hope one day you revive this project G&G. Your Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante hybrid was something I was so hyped about!

That’s funny, I also just recently rewatched the Heisei era.

I’ll likely revisit these. But I do know that I’m not gonna combine Return and Biollante anymore. It’s just too different and while the film might be coherent it wouldn’t exactly feel right. Instead I’ll make an edit of Return of Godzilla that’s more entertaining. Especially editing the Tokyo rampage to make Godzilla more destructive, taking shots from the Super X fight.

WitchDR said:

Man, I just decided to watch through these movies again recently and it made me remember about this post from years ago! I hope one day you revive this project G&G. Your Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante hybrid was something I was so hyped about!

That’s funny, I also just recently rewatched the Heisei era.

I’ll likely revisit these. But I do know that I’m not gonna combine Return and Biollante anymore. It’s just too different and while the film might be coherent it wouldn’t exactly feel right. Instead I’ll make an edit of Return of Godzilla that’s more entertaining. Especially editing the Tokyo rampage to make Godzilla more destructive, taking shots from the Super X fight.

That’s a shame. The “nooooo” scene is cheesy but the scene where he walks on the Star Destroyer next to Palpatine is my favorite scene in the whole film.

theprequelsrule said:

Would have liked Luke’s lightsaber to have been yellow.

Piss lightsaber

Would any editing trick help imply that part of the reason why Anakin joins the Sith is because he loves the idea of being second in command of the galaxy? It’s a way that him being rejected the rank of master could be much more impactful. He was rejected a powerful position, but Palpatine is offering him power greater then anybody but him.

Ngl I was listening and I was like bruh that supposed to be Temeura Morrison 💀

Not even the worst of TCW did the same irreversible damage to Star Wars that the prequels and Rise of Skywalker did.

Yoda, Obi-Wan, Plo-Koon, Mace Windu, Ki-Adi Mundi.

I believe you are referring to “The Hidden Planet” fan-edit

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-II-The-Hidden-Planet-1956/id/101823

As a way of showing Anakin’s lust for immortality in his own right (as an additional motive for him turning), AI some lines from Ian McDiarmid. Something like, “I know deep down, my boy, you crave the power to live forever. You crave it just as much as I do. As any Sith.”

Through deepfaking and inserts, have a scene showing Anakin looking through ancient Sith texts and holocrons to find out if the Sith ever actually cheated death.

Maybe try to use footage of a Sith wayfinder as a Sith holocron, since those have never been shown in live action?

Vader: “If you only knew the power of the dark side! Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.”

I get so wrapped up in how iconic each line is individually that sometimes I forget to think of how they inform each other. The latter is obviously Vader leading up to revealing that he’s Luke father, and it’s proceeded by him boasting how powerful the dark side is. The overall point he was trying to make is that the dark side is so powerful even he, a great Jedi Knight that Luke looked up to, fell for it. Implying that Anakin became Vader because he was power-hungry and loved the dark side’s power.

The OT implied a much more Walter White-esque turn then the one we ended up getting.

What was the original PT concept?

I’ve come up with a great analogy for why Anakin’s turn doesn’t work.

Imagine you have a romantic partner and they get into a terrible car accident. You’ve been in the hospital for 3 days and there’s a possibility she may die. You’re worried sick and have barely slept. Satan himself (for the record, I’m an atheist, but this is hypothetical) appears to you and says, “I’ll save her if you kill all of your neighbors, coworkers and their families, every friend you’ve ever had and their families, your entire extended family, and your partner’s entire extended family. This includes any of the children or babies.”

Who would do that?

Like, pact with the devil stories exist, but that’s just way too far. If he just showed up and said, “I’m gonna save your partner in exchange for your soul”, then sure, I can see someone doing that, even if it’s still not smart. But murdering everyone that you know for a deal that you don’t even know for certain whether they can or will actually do it, someone you know is evil and a liar? It’s just beyond stupid.

The only way it works is if Anakin has tangible evidence that there is a dark side power to cheat death and the knowledge exists to learn. Anakin should become evil, but not be stupid to agree to a bargain when he has nothing to go on except a story.

Superweapon VII said:

Or a full knight for that matter. Just another bit of OT continuity Lucas either forgot or ignored when writing the prequels.

“I was once a Jedi Knight, same as your father.”

This is one of of the places where it’s clear the two were originally separate characters. This is a retcon I like. Honestly I prefer the idea that Anakin was a knight in his own right, in fact I wish he was for more of the trilogy.

Spartacus01 said:

I don’t like Vader being a cool badass that kills everyone and is deeply convinced that he’s doing good for the Galaxy.

Canon Vader isn’t deeply convinced that he’s doing good for the galaxy. On his first mission to steal a kyber crystal from a Jedi, he literally outright admits that he’s monster before bursting a dam with the Force, drowning an entire city.

Canon Vader sees himself the way all Sith see themselves. “I’m evil, but that doesn’t matter. I’m more powerful then everyone else, I can do and take whatever I want.”

Not surprised. He was laying too much on himself at once. It’s unfortunate, could’ve been the best edits.

Darth Vader should not be a helpless victim of Palpatine. He should be a villain with his own agency and responsibility. Doing so would be a complete betrayal of his terrifying and powerful portrayal in Empire Strikes Back.

He boasts the power of the dark side and even makes sadistic jokes about the people he kills. He chose it.

According to GL, Vader and Palpatine planned it out in advance. They wanted him and Vader to fight each other and use that to finish his turn. If Vader didn’t block the blow, Palps would’ve done so himself with the Force and gone, “Bruh did you miss your cue?”.

I’m against cutting the Yoda “warm feelings” line. We needed more lines like that to show that the Jedi aren’t the cold unfeeling assholes people like to portray them as. Might be cheesy but if you ask me the nicest people are also usually the cheesiest.

Yes, I am.

The sequel trilogy we got is still better then George’s. Maul being the villain has the same problem as Palpatine; you have to learn how he survived through supplemental material, in this case TCW. Talon is an uninteresting character; it’s just the femme fatale archetype, which is one of my least favorite tropes ever. Talon seducing Skylar (who became Ben Solo) to the dark side with her sexiness makes TROS look good. And retconning Leia to be the Chosen One is dumb. I prefer Palpatine coming back for like a day and immediately being killed by Rey with the help of a bunch of force ghosts then a part of Anakin/Vader’s character arc being a lie. My least favorite trope of all time is when you take a previous character, whether it be a hero or villain, and make them look insignificant by taking everything away from them and giving it to another character (like the trope of retconning a previous villain to be a pawn of another). And this is exactly that, and it’s done Vader, my favorite character of all time.

With Disney we got the Vader comics, which is already enough, as the Vader 2017 comic run are my favorite Star Wars material after the OT, and 2015 run comes after Mandalorian and Clone Wars. Disney has done a much better job with Darth Vader then Lucasfilm.

We have The Mandalorian which is such an enjoyable series. The Force Awakens and Rogue One were vital to getting me back into Star Wars in the first place. I watched the original 6 films when I was young, but if it wasn’t for the new movies, I probably would’ve gone years without rewatching them and it would’ve taken me much longer to be the fan I am today.

But Spence, that part when he said, “Yes my Master” was so amazing he should’ve won an Oscar for that line