Then to say I'm "elitist" is also silly for the same reason. But if you're though discussing it, fair enough.
Now... back to rubbing out C3PX... er, I mean, Axia's action figure cards.
Again, see the edit my above post. We've hijacked this thread long enough. If we do continue this conversation in Off-Topic, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how fans of the original version are any more "elitist" than dub fans, when dub fans are just as entrenched in their viewpoints.
DarkFather said:Goku being childlike and happy-go-lucky DOES NOT mean he has to LITERALLY have THE voice of A CHILD.
No, it doesn't mean he has to, but it still fits the character. I guess next you're gonna tell me that Kuririn being voiced by a female is totally out of the realm of believability too?
Part of the logic of this is that the characters started out as children being voice by females and were seen that way by audiences for a few years before they grew into adults. Therefore, the Japanese version was more concerned with a performance continuity rather than literal logistic continuity. That's also why you have the same adult male voice actor portraying both the adult and child versions of Trunks. The only time I think this doesn't work in the Japanese version is when Ryo Horikawa plays the young Vegeta. But I forgive it because it's so brief, and because it also doesn't work in the English version since Chris Sabat sucks as Vegeta at any age.
EDIT: You know, I really do enjoy debating DB with you (I haven't gotten into a good dub vs. original argument since high school!), and this is the second thread this has popped up in. We have a DB thread in the off-topic section that hasn't been getting much love lately. I'd be more than happy to take these debates of ours over there, but I suppose I have to concede it doesn't belong here... especially in this thread where I'm kinda busy pummeling respect into C3PX. ^_~
DarkFather said:Japanese dub Goku: you have this big, bulking, glaring, super masculine man... who has the voice of a little girl. That incongruency is ridiculous.
Um... no. Son Goku is a hick, childlike, naive, food-consuming little boy, and even when he eventually begins to inhabit the body of a bulking he-man, he's still the same childlike persona... hence the reason the voice fits perfectly.
Oh, and as for your total lack of respect to THE Don Gaffer, C3PX...
C3PX Brazzi sleeps with the fishes, if you catch my drift.
That's right, my memory card (which I'm still using, by the way)! But, damn, I totally forgot what name was on the envelope... Wow. I really feel bad about that...
Until the fans actually did see what happened... then they wished they hadn't.
Yeah, I have to admit I found myself pretty fortunate that "Don Gaffer" has such a nice ring to it!
And, from the mouth of Don Gaffer himself, is your first lesson to becoming a successful forum Don: get a catchy name!
See, you clearly don't know what it takes to be a successful Don. I have in no way backed down from my argument with DF, but killing isn't all there is to being a Don. I have to keep peace and order in my territories. This is Axia's thread, and I have to give him his respect for this thread in order to keep my respect as Don. Sheesh, C3PX, you couldn't even make it as a button man! And here I'd been thinking about appointing you as my consigliere! Sheesh!
DarkFather said:I remember one time there was this interview with the Japanese voice actress for Goku. She was saying that the way the American dubs pronounced Kamehameha "sounds all wrong." No, her voice coming out of Goku sounds all wrong.
Ohhhh, DarkFather, you did not just criticize Masako Nozawa's portrayal of Son Goku. Sigh. I'm going to have to order one of caporegimes to put a hit out on you for that kind of remark. But in all seriousness, there is absolutely no one who could pull of that character half as well as Nozawa. She fits that role perfectly, in every conceivable way.
DarkFather said:I remember one time there was this interview with the Japanese voice actress for Goku. She was saying that the way the American dubs pronounced Kamehameha "sounds all wrong." And, you know what, she was absolutely right. Not only that, but she does one hell of a voice for Son Goku.
There. Fixed that one for you. ^_~
Oh, and C3PX, I'm proud to know that my signature line conjurs images of Carrie Fisher without underwear. It feels like I'm performing a public service!
EDIT: Oh, and to also keep it from looking like I'm helping to hijack your thread, I really like that Princess Leia and Bespin Luke designs, Axia.Only as "obsessed" as I would be with having my own name or any name pronounced correctly, dontcha know? ^_~
Well... I'll give you that... but only if you pronounce the attack correctly! ^_~
Oh, blah, blah, blah! Saiya-jin get too much credit. So I can't turn into a perfect aryan with spiky hair. Big deal! =P
See? I can be confrontational!
But, really, I had just finished watching The Godfather Part II when this whole alpha male thing came up, and if that movie taught me anything, it's that if you want power, you have to take it (or... you know, be born into the right family and something about destiny and stuff), so that's why I declared myself Don Gaffer!
C3PX said:Vaderisnothayden said:Yeah, Axia should ignore all the stuff about packs and popularity...
No! That was getting to be a really amusing conversation. We just need more participants to throw in their two cents. At least DF throws around amusing and off the wall discussion topics, rather than going around pissing down the place with negativity.
Okay, my two cents: I'm the alpha male. I've been around longer than most people who still post in the General Star Wars boards, I have a higher post count than everyone except nine other people who've ever posted here, and I just kick ass anyway. So get on your knees, kiss my ring, and start calling me Don Gaffer, bitches!
Just my two cents. ^_~
Oh, dear Lord! I nearly fell out of my chair! I have a bizarro clone!
sean wookie said:Oh well I enjoy it and that's all that matters.
Exactly!
No need to say that. I, for one, always welcome a good discussion. I mean, this is a forum. That's what we're supposed to do, right?
Yeah, sean. Every man needs a huge, eight cylinder penis-enhancing vehicle in order to get any respect. *rollseyes*
I don't know anything about scooters, but it sounds fun to me.
Yeah, I agree. I think making a fanedit would be a fun experiment and fun experience for aspiring editors. And while it's certainly not as damaging as an official re-edit, I still can't see it as anything but the same mentality going into both. It's amazing the power that editing has, and it would be interesting to see if an edit could "fix" this problem. But that's not why I made the video, and it's not why I made this thread. I still think the rescue plan is stupid and poorly written, but I think the prequels are stupid and poorly written, and I still don't advocate any changes in them either. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching the beginning of ROTJ. I could have enjoyed it more had these issues been addressed before the film was made, but I accept that it is what it is, and that it's too late to do anything about it. C3PX joked with me when I first posted my video that I'd better be careful not to let my argument influence George into doing something about it, after all. ^_~
Hey, awesome! Thanks! I'm always up for more exposure to an interested audience! ^__^
And I'm sorry if I've totally derailed my own thread into a self-wanking glory fest for myself.
AxiaEuxine said:
ohhh gee thanks for pointing that out, thats gonna bug the shit out of me for the rest of my life. By the way Jedi Starfighters dont have frigging tape decks. PT cockpits for ftw.
Why? I'd much rather listen to music during my trench run if I had the opportunity!
Heh, that's awesome!
Anakin: Short-Lando. Step on it!
Lando: Okey-dokey, Jedi! Hold on to your asteroid-shaped potatoes!
Heh, thanks. I find it funny that I fixed the lighting problem only to make a video that I immediately cast into black and white and added film deterioration to. And, yeah, apparently the squeaky chair won't be my thing. I replaced it with a piano stool this time (which also served as a convenient place to keep all the video cases I kept pulling out). Oh, and I downloaded VLC thanks to your advice, and it served as an excellent tool for getting screen grabs from Batman. Unfortunately, I was using my editing software to get grabs from Batman and Robin, and that was a much more complicated process. Never gonna do that again!
Just so you know, I'm not planning on doing a fifteen part review of this (I think a synapse in my brain just exploded thinking about that!). When you get right down to it, it's essentially a four hour movie! My original plan was to make it two parts, one for the first half, and one for the second half, but as I sat down to write the script last night, I had already had enough trouble just getting all the elements to work in the first place that I just decided to start out with Chapter 1, with a retrospective of the first serial, and then, hopefully have 2-7 for part 2, and 8-15 for part 3. But we'll see. ^_^
And, yeah, it always surprises me how few people have heard of these earliest entries into the Batman film franchise. Since I got the first Batman tape when I was about 5 or 6, I've been aware of it nearly my whole life, so it seems strange that other people don't. But, yeah, it shouldn't be too hard to find. I just got my DVD copy of Batman and Robin a few months ago!
Wouldn't Lando have been about ten at the time...?