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#115480
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CGI Yoda for TPM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115480/action/topic#115480
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I know. This argument has been brought up countless times on these boards. They're his movies. I know that. You know that. Everyone here knows that. George obviously knows that. But it's just like when an elderly person becomes incapable of handling his own affairs, his responsibilities are taken from him. And George just doesn't seem capable of making those intelligent decisions he used to. Now he's like a painter who has finished his masterpiece. Twenty-thirty years later he discovers that new colors of paint have been created that weren't around when he painted his masterpiece. So, he just decides to bring his canvas back and start splotching new color all over the place just because he can, just because it's new. It's like in the immortal of Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park. "You guys were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you never stopped to think about whether or not you should." So just because he can do something, doesn't mean that he should do something.


and who are you to judge that lucas is no longer capable of doing what he wants to his movies. he knew all along that there where going to be more then the 3 that he made. as far as he is concerned the job wasnt done int he first place. his image was not complete. it would be a different story if ANH was ep 1 then in 97 he changed it to ep4 so that he could make the PT, the PT has always been in his mind, and if things need to be changed inorder to make everything if then they need to be changed. thats why if he wants he should be able to add scenes and make things look better.


Actually, Shimraa, that's not quite true. Lucas did not originally plan on making a prequel trilogy. He meant to make one movie, originally, "The Starwars." He dubbed it Episode IV, so it would be similar to walking in in the middle of one of those old science fiction serials that was divided into many different chapters. But "The Starwars" was too long to make into one movie, so he divided it into three parts, thus making it IV, V, and VI. Fox thought that saying Episode IV would be too confusing, though, so they made him remove it in the original theatrical premiere. It wasn't Episode IV because he had this idea to make three prequels before that. He had a backstory. Every writer has to have a backstory to explain to themselves how everything came to be in the story he/she is telling. It was a very basic story as well. Once Star Wars became popular, he decided to go and make his backstory into movies. Even George admits that the events in the new movies weren't fully formed. That's why he had to write the scripts for them in the late '90s. If it had always been six movies in his head, he wouldn't have needed to go back into his original films to change things to make his new movies fit. If he had just been holding the first half of the story back from us for over twenty years, there wouldn't be any continuity problems.
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#115464
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Hayden aka anakin
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115464/action/topic#115464
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Hear hear, neo. I am a geek and damned proud of it! I've also been in a relationship for the past two years. If you're a geek, be a geek. If you're a slut, well.... um, be careful (not that we can assume anything from this thread, so let's not be doing that). If you like who you are, other people will like you too.

Long live Star Wars geeks!

And, yes, like I've already said in this thread, Leia's bikini is the best thing to ever happen to Star Wars since the lightsaber!

And a million losers crying out? Hehe, that still cracks me up. Too true. Let's not turn this place into a junior high study hall, huh?
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#115457
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ROTS: The Droids...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115457/action/topic#115457
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Not exactly, though, because the two instances are done different from a stylistic perspective. Those scenes in the original trilogy aren't treated like nostalgia or anything special. When you first see Chewbacca, there isn't this lingering camera on him or a huge emphasis on his name. In Revenge of the Sith, remember the, "And goodbye.... CHEWBACCA!" just to make sure that those of us who didn't recognize him would be sure to do so. So, yes, while someone watching them for the first time in numerical order (makes me want to cry thinking about it) will see those and realize it, they weren't created with that purpose in mind. I doubt even Mr. Lucas would deny that.
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#115456
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CGI Yoda for TPM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115456/action/topic#115456
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I know. This argument has been brought up countless times on these boards. They're his movies. I know that. You know that. Everyone here knows that. George obviously knows that. But it's just like when an elderly person becomes incapable of handling his own affairs, his responsibilities are taken from him. And George just doesn't seem capable of making those intelligent decisions he used to. Now he's like a painter who has finished his masterpiece. Twenty-thirty years later he discovers that new colors of paint have been created that weren't around when he painted his masterpiece. So, he just decides to bring his canvas back and start splotching new color all over the place just because he can, just because it's new. It's like in the immortal of Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park. "You guys were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you never stopped to think about whether or not you should." So just because he can do something, doesn't mean that he should do something.
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#115454
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ROTS: The Droids...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115454/action/topic#115454
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Well, it's just more double talk. Lucas continues to insist that the films are supposed to be watched in numerical order. That's his (latest) vision. But anyone who watches can tell that all those things are there for is to remind us of the original trilogy, like the droids, Chewbacca, Owen looking into the twin sunset. Things we would never understand or begin to appreciate if we didn't see the original first and just seem awkward and out of place taken by themselves.
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#115450
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CGI Yoda for TPM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115450/action/topic#115450
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I think Lucas should be slapped on the wrist and sent to his room for good, so he can't touch the movies anymore. He's like a kid drawing on the wall now. He's done enough damage and should just let Star Wars age gracefully. No more movies, no TV show. His story is told. One half of it was wonderful (although a little less wonderful now that he's tinkered with it so much), the other half wasn't. Must this franchise be milked until it dies a slow and painful death? Must everything be continually updated and changed on whims just so another million DVDs or laserdiscs or tapes can be sold? Leave Yoda alone, leave everything else alone, and just learn some respect for the universe, characters, and movies that made you rich and famous beyond your wildest dreams!

(breathes heavily) Sorry. I just had to get that bitterness off my chest. Don't mind me.
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#115448
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You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115448/action/topic#115448
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I just started reading Heir to the Empire for the first time since 5th grade, and this is how that 1991 book explained why Ben was a ghost:

(Luke was) asleep in his suite in the Imperial Palace, and dreaming of Ben Kenobi.

"No, I'm not a dream," Ben assured him, answering Luke's unspoken thought. "But the distances separating us have become too great for me to appear to you in any other way. Now, even this last path is being closed to me."

"No," Luke heard himself say. "You can't leave us, Ben. We need you."

Ben's eyebrows lifted slightly, and a glimpse of his old smile touched his lips. "You don't need me, Luke. You are a Jedi, strong in the Force." His smile faded and for a moment his eyes seemed to focus on something Luke couldn't see. "At any rate," he added quietly, "the decision is not mine to make. I have lingered too long already, and can no longer postpone my journey from this life to what lies beyond."

So, according to that book (although I know it's not canon, it's far more enjoyable than the prequels), the Force ghosts are similar to our perception of regular ghosts in that they have a strong will to continue to live. It goes without saying that Force training is required to attain that state. But as far as the "immortality" that Yoda is talking about in Revenge of the Sith, well, that's just not the kind of idea that Timothy Zahn had, as even Ben could only hover between worlds for less than a decade after his death before moving on completely.
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#115442
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CGI Yoda for TPM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115442/action/topic#115442
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I wouldn't like the idea of Yoda being changed in TPM, and I would have to lead an angry mob to Skywalker Ranch if Lucas ever even thought of replacing the puppet in Empire. Even though the prequels suck, Lucas changing any of his movies is a bad idea just on principle. If we happily accept changes to the prequels, then it makes us look wishy-washy when we complain about him changing the original trilogy.

Besides, even though Phantom Menace Yoda looked way too young and kinda Muppet-ish as well, he still had those eyes. Those classic, Stuart Freeborn, YODA eyes that define Yoda so well. The CGI Yoda's biggest flaw is in the face and the inability to recreate those Yoda eyes.
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#115149
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You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115149/action/topic#115149
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And then, the Ewoks, having noticed the hundreds of ghosts in their treehouses, freak out, pull out their bows and arrows, and start shooting at all the ghosts, in the vain effort to protect themselves. Anakin gets pissed off and goes back to his dark side ways, Force choking and killing every single Ewok. And then you see that family portrait last shot of Luke, Lando, Han, and the others dancing to the music and smiling. And then.... Directed by Richard Marquand....
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#115141
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Anakin & Obi-Wan: The Friendship We Never Really Saw
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115141/action/topic#115141
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing the first time I saw AotC three years ago. We have their first scene in the elevator, and they're reminiscing, and I thought, "Okay. Now we'll finally get to see the relationship that Old Ben was talking about, something we didn't see at all in Phantom Menace." And it wasn't so much that they were separated (I noticed that they were separated much more in Sith), but the time they did spend together, they spent it fighting and annoyed at each other or saying crap behind the other's back. "You will learn your place, young one." "In a lot of ways, I'm really ahead of him." "It's all Obi-Wan's fault!" And then all the times that Anakin disobeys Obi-Wan towards the end about saving Padme and fighting Dooku. There are a few lines, like, "Don't say that, you're like a father to me," but it's just too little, and, like you said, it's just expository dialogue. It doesn't show anything.
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#115136
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You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/115136/action/topic#115136
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Good thing is, it was probably just a little Lucas humor. If not (since he has had crazier ideas that he actually went ahead with), I guess Rick isn't quite the worthless little bitch we make him out to be. He's earned his keep and my respect with that. But, Hardcore and Shimraa, we wouldn't be upset simply because it's a change (although changing for the sake of change is stupid as well), but it would make even less sense than Hayden. We already have to wonder why Luke didn't frown and say, "Who the hell is that guy?" So let's just stick in Qui-Gon Jinn, someone Luke has never seen or, in fact, never even heard of. There's absolutely no Luke/Qui-Gon connection, so there's even less reason for him to be there than Hayden.
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#114691
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People that have a problem w/the Droids in PT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114691/action/topic#114691
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I couldn't say it could be considered "bunk" now, for the sole purpose that Lucas never made use of that story device. I agree with greencapt, though. I've always thought that if the droids had to be in the prequels, they should be in the background and have no relation to the main characters (of the prequels) at all. They could just happen to be on a planet as a battle relative to the main story is going on, and there could be a scene where they wonder what in the world is happening. And if you want to take it farther, have them get mixed up in it from behind the scenes. Through their own bumbling (not with super duper magical rocket jets and whatnot), they do something that just happens to save the day for the good guys, while the good guys don't know how they were saved, and the droids have no idea they did anything at all. That would have been an interesting way to include them, through indirect contact, rather than them always just happening to be in the center of the action throughout every important event in the galaxy. And Anakin building 3PO... just crap. Any other explanation would have been better. "I built him to help out Mom." What the hell? Why would a slave woman need a protocol droid? Does she really expect to come into contact with people who can speak 6 million languages?
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#114268
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Ep 3 topics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114268/action/topic#114268
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Well, when Luke leaves Dagobah, Ben seems pretty convinced that it's Luke who is the "last hope", even though he had knowledge of both of the twins. Why he thought that can only be attributed to the Force, I suppose. But when Yoda refers to Leia as the "other" hope, it always sounded to me like she was the backup plan. If Luke happened to be killed, then Leia could take over. Because, throughout the OT, no one, not even Yoda, ever really seems to be interested in actually training Leia in the Force. I kinda wish it had come up, though, since the "there is another" revelation really seems to be a letdown since Leia doesn't seem to live up to that cryptic reference in Return of the Jedi.
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#114260
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Ep 3 topics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114260/action/topic#114260
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Yeah, that's what I meant when I said that a newborn is usually with her mother. I'm just saying that Yoda and the others might have found it too risky to keep Luke there (the twins never really have been considered equal as it was Luke who destroyed the Death Star and Vader), but rather to send him to a far off remote place guarded by Obi-Wan. Had circumstances permitted, then it would have been safer, I agree, to stay with his mother.
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#114258
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114258/action/topic#114258
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
my understanding (someone correct me if im wrong) is that he at least claims something similar to what Shimraa said... that the basic story was written (i thought it was 9 movies) and he choose that middle section to tell. And yes, from what ive heard he didnt know if the movie would be successful and if he would be able to actually make IV and VI so he made IV so that it could stand alone. Hence the reason why when it was first released it didnt have the Episode IV A New Hope in the crawl. (this change I dont mind, though some people seem to, I like the fact that some of the LD->DVD transfers (EditDroid) have included both crawls because i think its neat to see that, but i do feel that this was part of his original plan for the OT, that is to have it as Episode IV)

as far as getting 'yelled at' by critics and the public, I say those critics and pubic that did the yelling dont know what their talking about and need to remove their heads from their anus. The LOTR books which PJ based the movies on didnt wrap up all nicely after each book. Its just like people that said he was trying to capitalize off the title 'The Two Towers'. someone should put people like that out of my misery.

but anyway, i digress.
Rarchy after reading your post Im second guessing what I said, I think it could/does work with the ending of TPM being 'happy' If you look at it from a not knowing the story in the OT point of view, as far as you know everything was made all better, Palpatine appears to be a good guy who is just trying to get the republic back on track and that is accomplished (for the most part) at the end. there are some hints of more to come from Qui-Gons funeral scene and Yoda/Mace's convo. I guess I thought the celebration parade was just a bit too much

-Darth Simon


I always understood it that IV-VI was Star Wars... the Episode IV numbering was there so it would resemble those Saturday afternoon serials he watched as a kid (ie. coming in in the middle of a story). He had to cut that one story into three to fit one movie, thus IV became IV, V, and VI. He also wrote a backstory for his own personal benefit, which became the basis for I, II, and III. Plus, he said he had enough material to create three more sequels.
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#114193
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Ep 3 topics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114193/action/topic#114193
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
if thats true the why does luke have no memory of her, padme did see luke, cause he came out first.

well for leia to have remebered her padme would have had to be on aldreen, otherwise leia wouldnt have been there.


I'm not quite sure what your mean here, Shimraa. Leia, as a newborn babe, would most likely be wherever her mother would be (provided that her mother was alive). So, if Padme survived the childbirth, there's really no reason to think she would have gone to Alderaan to hide out. If she had survived for a little while, she would have been perfectly fine staying at that base she died at, in my opinion. And then, when Padme did die of whatever she would have died of, then Bail could have taken her. On this line of thinking, my opinion is that Yoda would have sensed that Luke would be the one to redeem his father and gotten him out of the way immediately after he was born with Obi-Wan to Tatooine. And that's why Luke would not have remembered his mother.

And, well, what would could have been done to match it up? Hehe, I guess I just answered that question too. To be honest, comparing my scenario with the one Lucas used, his pacing is better, but it just doesn't match up with what he had already established with the original trilogy. I think mine does... or could anyway, while retaining as many elements from Sith as possible.