Gaffer Tape

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Post: #247524
Topic: 2007 Star Wars calendar - with DVD (?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247524/action/topic#247524
Time: 23-Sep-2006 6:28 PM

Good. I'm not the only person who noticed that.

Post: #247518
Topic: Weird Al's latest video (on topic)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247518/action/topic#247518
Time: 23-Sep-2006 6:02 PM

Thanks! The more you know... because I had no idea.

But speaking of lines, I have a couple more I couldn't figure out exactly what he was saying, and maybe it's because of my lack of knowledge in the areas. "My My Space page is totally pimped out. Blank." I don't know what that line is. And then, "...took Calculus just for a fun. Blank." Yeah, I know, I suck. But if anybody knows these lines, could you help me out again?

Post: #247514
Topic: Weird Al's latest video (on topic)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247514/action/topic#247514
Time: 23-Sep-2006 5:19 PM

That's what I thought he said. But what does that mean?

Post: #247506
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247506/action/topic#247506
Time: 23-Sep-2006 4:42 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman

And the reason he does serve the Emperor after Padme is gone is because he has nothing else, but the Emperor. He's a shell of his former self so he can't beat the Emperor. He doesn't have Padme any longer. What else is he going to do?

Like I said, exile or suicide. At the end of Sith, he doesn't strike me as the guy who willingly dedicates his life to serving the Empire and its Emperor. The prequels don't give him that kind of dedication. Like you said, he's left with NOTHING. He has no reason to stay with Palpatine.

Post: #247500
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247500/action/topic#247500
Time: 23-Sep-2006 4:24 PM

I wish that original version had come out better, because it always should have been Anakin wanting more power that turned him to the dark side. The Emperor's seduction of Luke was based on the principle that once Luke tasted that power, he would have to have more of it. He would want it enough that it would seem worth it to subject himself to the Emperor and turn his back on everything he loved. But we have Anakin doing everything for love, which I never liked. I think it should have been a symptom but not the only driving force. Because after Padme is gone, he has no reason to keep serving the Empire or Palpatine. If he's not really into this and knows he's doing wrong and knows he totally screwed everything up, the logical choice of action would follow something Oedipus's route. Self-imposed exile. Maybe even suicide.

But thanks to zombie, I totally see how the two halves of the movie don't sync up, and now I understand why.

And I hate the route that Anakin is the victim. That completely rules out any semblance of tragedy. A tragic hero has to be the agent of action, not the patient of action. He has to be intelligent enough to see the ethical implications of his actions, and to be able to determine the probably outcome of those choices. Anakin just seems to be a dumbass who never considers anything and never seems to have enough intelligence to question why he's doing what he's doing.

Post: #247494
Topic: Weird Al's latest video (on topic)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247494/action/topic#247494
Time: 23-Sep-2006 3:38 PM

Hehe, yeah, I did notice that. The only problem is, I can't decipher that particular line. Can somebody help me out?

Post: #247408
Topic: Your first reaction to Hayden is ROTJ
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247408/action/topic#247408
Time: 23-Sep-2006 2:29 AM

Yeah, they did use some weird footage of Hayden. I mean, there's the embarrassed grin and then looking down at his shoes, and then off in the opposite direction. Yeah, I really feel like he's a part of this scene. Whereas, originally, Sebastian shared a look with Obi-Wan, which does the heart good, and then he beams proudly at his son. No comparison.

Post: #247407
Topic: Star Wars in 30 Seconds and Re-Enacted by Bunnies
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247407/action/topic#247407
Time: 23-Sep-2006 2:26 AM

Hehe, I thought that was pretty cute.

Post: #247405
Topic: My Legendary Deed
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247405/action/topic#247405
Time: 23-Sep-2006 2:23 AM

Yeah, awesome story! Glad to have you!

Post: #247328
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247328/action/topic#247328
Time: 22-Sep-2006 8:08 PM

Honestly, I was never extremely interested in the past. I read a few EU books when I was younger, like the the Thrawn trilogy, which I'm re-reading now for the first time in ten years. And it's so good. As long as I'm on the subject, to those who say that OT fans can't accept adding things to the story and the universe, those books do plenty of that, but all of it seems to work really well. But, anyway, I was always interested in the future of Luke of the others much more than I ever was in what had happened before those characters even existed. I remember there was a series of children's books called Star Wars: Galaxy of Fear, and I was never into that because it takes place way in the future without Luke and the others. It's all about the characters.

Post: #247303
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247303/action/topic#247303
Time: 22-Sep-2006 6:35 PM

Like I've said, Sith has some of the greatest prequels moments, some moments that are quite chilling. Unfortunately, you have to wade through so much crap to get to those moments, and those moments are some of the worst out of any Star Wars movie ever.

I have to ask, Go-Mer, what did you think of General Grievous? What point did he serve besides conveniently getting Obi-Wan out of the way for the second movie in a row?

Post: #247287
Topic: Your first reaction to Hayden is ROTJ
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247287/action/topic#247287
Time: 22-Sep-2006 5:36 PM

Immediate revulsion and disbelief. I printed out the news story I first read it in (I think it was CNN), and I complained to anybody who would listen.

Post: #247275
Topic: YIYF's Long Bridge Club
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247275/action/topic#247275
Time: 22-Sep-2006 4:27 PM

Can hardly say starring. I was called back for a leading role, but I ended up being put in the ensemble. That's not to say that's not fun. I've always wanted to be able to be part of the singing and dancing group, so that's now satisfied.

Post: #247172
Topic: YIYF's Long Bridge Club
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247172/action/topic#247172
Time: 22-Sep-2006 1:34 AM

Yeah, having been in Footloose rehearsals for a few weeks, I'm really beginning to wonder why they keep on putting me in tenor roles when I clearly can't get that high. Geez, I need to start taking voice lessons again!

Post: #247169
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247169/action/topic#247169
Time: 22-Sep-2006 1:32 AM

Yeah, that's just my point. It would be really interesting to be able to find out how the prequels would have performed at the box office if they hadn't been Star Wars films, or if they had been the first and only Star Wars films. The prequel lovers love to point out how much money the prequels brought in, but that's because it had a built-in fanbase that was HUGE. The original Star Wars managed to bring in all those people before Star Wars in name was enough to bring people in. It did it on its own merits as a film. And I really wonder if the prequels could have done that on their own without being connected to the Star Wars mythos.

Post: #247165
Topic: YIYF's Long Bridge Club
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247165/action/topic#247165
Time: 22-Sep-2006 1:13 AM

For acting, yeah, you definitely want to block out the audience and focus solely on your objective. For music, well, I'm not sure how much you may or may not want to involve the audience. But something I found out last year was that, no matter what you're doing, you have to believe it. You know how animals can sense fear in you? So can your audience. If they don't think you're buying into what you're doing, then you'll lose them. So you just have to push your doubts out of your mind, and, no matter what happens, just have fun and stay committed to what you're doing.

I hope it goes great.

Post: #247162
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247162/action/topic#247162
Time: 22-Sep-2006 1:02 AM

Okay, I realize I'm coming at this the wrong way. While I truly love the OT more, and I will watch just the trilogy more often the all six, I don't mind seeing all six as a "saga." Like Go-Mer said, there are some interesting parallels and opposites. But I refuse to comprehend this "saga" as 1-6. And, yes, I have tried to watch it this way, with the most current special editions and all that crap. To me, though, it will always be 4-6, 1-3 when I watch all six together, because the trilogy is the story. The prequels are the behind the scenes information. You still get the same yin-yang relationship that Go-Mer speaks of, but it preserves the real story rather than making it be seen in context of what came before it. You see, what's interesting about prequels is that, you've seen the real story, and then you watch the prequels, and then it's supposed to cause you to look at the real story in a different way, in a different context. I'm not going to get into the argument as to whether or not the prequels were able to accomplish that. But it loses something when you watch the backstory first. Because you come in from that perspective, it's not as meaningful as it would be if you came in first from the real story and then watching the prequels already knowing what you know is supposed to happen. I mean, the first time I watched ROTS, I enjoyed it a lot, and it grabbed me a lot because I knew that Anakin was going to become Darth Vader, and my mind had fun trying to put the pieces together as to how that was going to come about. That's an experience you can't have if you watch it before you watch the real story. And as much as guys like Go-Mer and Jumpman try to say it should be watched in numerical order, you know you were both indoctrinated into the prequels with your knowledge of the real story already cemented in your minds. There's no way you'll know if you would have actually liked the prequels or Star Wars in general if the first three Star Wars movies you ever saw were the prequels. I'm not saying you wouldn't, but you came in with the same perspective we did, and so you enjoyed the prequels for the same reasons we might have (assuming anybody besides me occasionally enjoyed them to any extent at all).

Post: #247045
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247045/action/topic#247045
Time: 21-Sep-2006 8:49 PM

Hey, as I've already stated, I enjoy the prequels as a whole. I watch them. They're entertaining. I enjoy a look at the Star Wars world before "the dark times." I find the story interesting. But, as the old saying goes, the devil is in the details, and it's the details that the prequels totally drop the ball on. And there are so many of them that they stand out. So, yes, I find it perfectly legitimate to complain about the details. Like I said, if a scene makes me laugh at the deaths of children (and not just me, but the two other people I was in the theatre with as well), then there is something wrong with that scene. And it's the details...

Post: #247041
Topic: Official Indiana Jones DVD Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247041/action/topic#247041
Time: 21-Sep-2006 8:44 PM

I agree that they only changed nit-picky things, and comparing it to Star Wars or THX-1138, it's a masterpiece, and, in general, it's a masterpiece. But those little things still just annoy me slightly.

Post: #247037
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247037/action/topic#247037
Time: 21-Sep-2006 8:42 PM

Yeah, but it's a silly-sounding word and makes any attempt at a serious dialogue with it nearly impossible. "But there are lots of words that sound weird to us, Gaffer, because it's a fantasy. You just have no imagination." No, not quite. The other "weird" names work because they are far enough out there. Youngling is just a play on the word "young." In fact, I agree with Scruffy. When Yoda said it in AOTC it didn't bother me, because I thought it was just an affectionate pet name that Yoda had for children. And, as an affectionate pet name, it sounds really weird when used in the context of murder and destruction. It'd be like someone mourning, "Oh no, they killed Go-Mer-poo!" And, no, that was not a death threat. Don't interpret it as so.

Post: #247006
Topic: Official Indiana Jones DVD Release
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247006/action/topic#247006
Time: 21-Sep-2006 7:54 PM

Honestly, I still wish they hadn't touched a frame.

Post: #247001
Topic: Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247001/action/topic#247001
Time: 21-Sep-2006 7:52 PM

Semi-younger days? Remember this character dies at around 900 years old. So 20-30 years is nothing. The only thing that would make him age faster would be living in the swamps, but even that would be like a drop in the bucket to him. So him being young and vivacious in the PT really isn't thinking too logically. Just like when Lucas tells his actors that Chewbacca is the junior league in ROTS, when that character is over 200 years old in the OT.

Post: #246989
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246989/action/topic#246989
Time: 21-Sep-2006 7:35 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't dislike the PT. I think it's entertaining. Some parts are even great. However, some parts are completely cringeworthy. Revenge of the Sith made me laugh at the deaths of children, which means that something was horribly wrong with that scene. You are laughing at the deaths of children, and it's the "scene" that's wrong? I have to say I was in tears for that bit. It hit me really hard when he ignighted his saber on opening night. Every time since I can try to hold it back for that scene, but in the next one when Padme breaks down I always lose it still.

Yes, because if the scene had been executed effectively, it wouldn't have come off as comedic. I admit that the parts you mentioned are pretty good, but as soon as they start mourning the loss of "younglings", I can't help but bust a gut every single time. The most ridiculous word in the world, and every time I heard Ewan McGregor say it, it sounds like he's having trouble spewing out that piece of dialogue.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But I find the movies enjoyable enough. I didn't, however, ever think that we were "supposed" to watch them in numerical order. That thought never entered my mind, and I can't believe that's the view that George is trying to press. For me it was the way he numbered them that clued me into that prospect.

Ha ha. He wanted to number the first movie Episode IV, so it would feel like you were coming in in the middle of a Saturday matinee serial, not because he had plans for other movies to come before it. So when he did get that idea, what other logical conclusion could you come to besides naming earlier stories I, II, and III" So you can see why the numbering alone wouldn't convince me that they're intended to be watched in numerical order.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Once again, if he'd wanted them to be watched that way, he would have made them that way.

According to Lucas, he made them out of order for a couple of reasons. 1) He figured the ANH part of the story was the most straightforward for an audience. 2) He felt he could pull off the 2nd half of the story easier because it all takes place away from the center of the universe, so he wouldn't have to render something as ambitious as Couruscant.

No, he made them "out of order" because that's the only story there was. What little prequel stuff there was was simply backstory in order for him to have a history for the characters he was writing for.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
The 6 part tragedy (when, in reality, it doesn't even fit the classification of a tragedy to begin with) of Anakin Skywalker just doesn't fly. The PT is Anakin's story. But the OT is Luke's story. It always was. And saying it's not doesn't change anything.

The whole saga is Anakin's story, but I agree the classic trilogy is still primarily Luke's story with a cameo by Anakin in the end when he finaly "returns".

No, the whole saga is not Anakin's story. That doesn't make any sense. That would be like saying that The Winter's Tale is simply Hermione's story. If there must be a saga, it is shared by Luke and Anakin, but the whole thing by any stretch of the literary imagination, is not belonging to Anakin. He might be the Macguffin, but he's not the main character.

Post: #246979
Topic: obi wans name in ANH
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246979/action/topic#246979
Time: 21-Sep-2006 7:15 PM

Yeah, that's what I always thought, too. Don't forget that he's always credited in the original movies as Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi with the Obi-Wan part in parentheses, which almost confirms that it's not actually his real name but a nickname. I remember the first time I ever saw it flipped was on the new OT action figures that came out in '98 or '99 right before the prequels. They had those interesting flap cards that when you pulled the tab, it changed from the OT representation of the character to the PT representation. And on his, he was referred to as Obi-Wan (Ben) Kenobi, which is something I'd never seen before. I guess that was because Lucas had changed his mind at that time, but it made much more sense the other way.

Post: #246977
Topic: Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246977/action/topic#246977
Time: 21-Sep-2006 7:09 PM

Geez, I didn't think the CG Yoda looked anything like the puppet Yoda, and, like I've said before, it was because of the eyes. And I find it really weird because I've seen the documentaries when they were recreating Yoda scenes in ESB to test the technology, and the CG Yoda I saw on the screen there actually looked like Yoda! But the one they actually used in the movies looks nothing like him. He doesn't have that Freeborn/Einstein eye area that is so instantly recognizable. Even the puppet from TPM did a better job of getting those eyes than the CG Yoda. And in case you didn't know, most of our emotions and recognizability are in that space of our face, and ILM just totally messed it up, even though I've seen them get it right!