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#254527
Topic
Official Star Wars newsletter from 1978
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254527/action/topic#254527
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He wasn't forced, in the end he agreed, also he didn't write this newsletter himself.


But it's the official Star Wars newsletter, so either way, it makes George look bad. If you go with the opinion that these are facts from George himself, then it contradicts things he says now and things he said in the slightly less distant past. If we go with your opinion that this is just made up garbage, then George should have caught this publication and refuted it or kept it from print. It's a bad reflection on him if he can't even control what comes out of his company's official newsletter.

1 of 12, huh? I don't think I'd heard that one before. Nice find. Certainly refutes Episode IV, huh? Well, I'm sure Go-Mer will need much more proof than this absolute proof, though.
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#254524
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Link to history of OT scripts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254524/action/topic#254524
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Well, here's a little speculation on my part. Empire of Dreams was made with a lot of help and insight from Lucasfilm and Lucas himself, right? Well, remember when they start talking about The Empire Strikes Back? They make a mention of the first movie by saying something like, "Star Wars, now dubbed Episode IV: A New Hope..." That makes it sound like it was something that was thought up later. And if it was not true, I'd think Lucasfilm would jump on that misrepresentation. Is that conclusive? No. That's just an observation I made. Hell, I'm not even convinced one way or the other that A New Hope did or didn't exist or when it came into existence in the first place.
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#254480
Topic
George Lucas interview - 29th October 1979
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254480/action/topic#254480
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The idea that Lucas needs proof that he thought of this before he wrote it on the scripts is ridiculous.

You are the one contesting his claim with no evidence to support it beyond the -lack- of evidence for it.

His claim is supported by both his first hand testimony, and the fact that by 1979 it was written on the scripts. Logic dictates he has to think about something before he can write it down somehwere.

Bringing up the scripts isn't proving Lucas wrong.


I thought the argument here was whether or not Lucas had 9 or 6 movies planned. We've shown you the quotes in favor of 9 movies. You yourself believe in the 6 movie theory, so obviously you have something to back that up with. Why do we need to show you proof that he only had 6 when you're the one trying to convince us of that?
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#254452
Topic
McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254452/action/topic#254452
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I never really had a problem with him until the crap that's going on in that 1979 interview with George Lucas that was recently posted. He's bending over backwards to defend his own point despite quotes from Lucas that say otherwise. He's putting his own spin on everything and ignoring anything anybody says that runs contrary to that point, and it's really getting very frustrating. Aside from that, I don't mind his opinions all that much.
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#254239
Topic
George Lucas interview - 29th October 1979
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254239/action/topic#254239
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Where? Where in this interview do you see this proof? Yes, it goes along with Gary Kurtz's recollections of the third trilogy, but that's not what we're dealing with. I'm not one to bring insults into a debate, but I seriously have to bring your reading comprehension skills into question here. George states in this interview that the storyline would conclude with the third movie. Luke's and Vader's storyline would be over, just like it ended up being. He clearly states that. Do you need me to quote it for you? Okay, fine, I will. "The next chapter is called 'Revenge of the Jedi'. It’s the end of this particular trilogy, the conclusion of the conflict begun in Star Wars between Luke and Darth Vader. It resolves that situation once and for all." He also says that there was to be a generational gap in between each trilogy. Again, quote: "There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. The first trilogy is about the young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Luke's father when Luke was a little boy. This trilogy takes place some twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire. About a year or two passes between each story of the trilogy and about twenty years passes between the trilogies. The entire saga spans about fifty-five years." So that is all the proof you need that there was an idea for a third trilogy, completely separate from what we already have. While George does not elaborate on the third trilogy, he does make it clear, based on what we know now, that it does not contain any major plot points that ended up being used in the final "Return of the Jedi." So there is no way to defend him here. In capital letters: HE IS CLEARLY LYING WHEN HE SAYS THAT THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENTION FOR A THIRD TRILOGY. How can you possibly look at all this evidence and continue to push this point? It simply does not make any sense. In order to defend Lucas, you are arguing against everything that he is saying in this interview.

And, finally:

Isn't that the same thing that was posted above?


Yes, it was. That is why I put it in quotes.
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#254233
Topic
George Lucas interview - 29th October 1979
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254233/action/topic#254233
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"There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. The first trilogy is about the young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Luke's father when Luke was a little boy. This trilogy takes place some twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire. About a year or two passes between each story of the trilogy and about twenty years passes between the trilogies. The entire saga spans about fifty-five years."
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#254129
Topic
George Lucas interview - 29th October 1979
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254129/action/topic#254129
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No, because he stated in this very interview that each trilogy would be separated by a generation. While that goes against what Gary Kurtz says, it also goes against what you're claiming. He also says in this interview that "Revenge of the Jedi" would conclude the Luke/Vader storyarc. So, yeah, maybe there were plans to have the original Star Wars storyline continue for another trilogy. Who knows? But this is proof right here that another trilogy, completely set apart from the current trilogy, did exist in Lucas's mind at some point. There's no defense against that.