G E Predator

Two words:  John Williams

woofermazing said:

For the same reason there is a shot of a lightsaber rolling around in the prequels every time someone drops theirs. Lucas forgot that an audience can read between the lines and decided leading us along was more important than the pacing of the movie.

 I'm surprised he didn't show where Anakin's severed limbs landed.  And I know it wouldn't garnish an PG-13 rating for Episode 2 or an R rating for Episode 3 because we still see Ponda Baba's bloody arm in the PG rated "A New Hope," and that was one of the few scenes that was left untinkered in every official release.

Not that I would tinker with "Star Wars" anymore than it had been, but while I was listening to AVGN's review of the games (I know AVGN is just James acting like an exaggerated angry gamer), and I kinda like what he said about Luke crashing his landspeeder in the cantina and killing Greedo during his interrogation with Han.  Long story short, I kinda imagined that, but with 3PO in the driver' seat and he does it as a retaliation for the bartender not allowing droids in.  I know full well the logic of that scene in the movie.  I just think it would be funny seeing 3PO being all badass and doing some crazy stuff.

doubleofive said:

I'm pretty sure Adywan does what he thinks looks best. That is the driving force behind the whole project.

 The force is strong with him ;)

towne32 said:

G E Predator said:

"Disney and Lucasfilm do the whole world a disservice by withholding the original version of what will forever be one of the most consequential movies in film history."

Don't hate me, everyone, but I don't think Disney should take any bullets -- or at least not all the bullets -- for Lucasfilm (and more specifically Lucas) for not treating the original trilogy theatricals with the same love and care that we (the fans) do.  While Disney does own Lucasfilm, they don't actually run it. They fund the company and distribute new Lucasfilm creations (i.e. "Star Wars Rebels").

I certainly don't hate you for your opinion. Though I also don't think you need to cross-post it.

I've been willing to give Disney a shot. I like some of what they've done and I certainly think the franchise is in better hands than it was with GL. I don't care if they crank up the merchandising and theme parks and cartoons. It's expected that they make money off their investment and secure new generations of fans. Hopefully the 6 films and several TV shows in 6 years turn out decently. It's not impossible that they could really get the public sick of this franchise.

We don't currently know what the deal is with the OOT. If their hands are actually tied or somewhat restricted due to Fox, perhaps they're really on our side. If they actually have no interest (unlikely, IMO), or are respecting Lucas's wishes (unlikely unless contractually obliged), we'll probably find out in time and it would be sucky indeed. 

What they haven't done yet is spout BS about what the only real version of the film is, or (lie about) what is technically impossible, tell us that nobody wants the OOT, etc. I think they would like to and it's hopefully a matter of when rather than if.

 

 I don't know if this counts, but during the Character Finale at Disney's Hollywood Studios, they had Han shoot Greedo (without Greedo firing at all) and James Arnold Taylor quotes, "Han really did shoot first."  I like to think of that as Disney agreeing with the fans, and maybe if they manage to workout a deal with FOX, they'll gladly release the theatrical versions of the original trilogy in High Definition Blu-Ray.

Digitally replace all the blasters with walkie-talkies and change the word "nerfherder" to "hippie" LOL

After I watched the most recent clip that Adywan shared, I just have to ask, "What's your inspiration?"  I mean how to do you come up with what to include in the revisited cuts?

CatBus said:

Mitch said:

I love the Harmy editions. It's the best we have until Lucasfilm gets around to releasing official theatrical versions

Given Lucasfilm's track record of quality through the years, I'd say it's quite likely Harmy's will remain better than any hypothetical future official release from Lucasfilm.

 "I heartily agree with you, sir."

"Disney and Lucasfilm do the whole world a disservice by withholding the original version of what will forever be one of the most consequential movies in film history."

Don't hate me, everyone, but I don't think Disney should take any bullets -- or at least not all the bullets -- for Lucasfilm (and more specifically Lucas) for not treating the original trilogy theatricals with the same love and care that we (the fans) do.  While Disney does own Lucasfilm, they don't actually run it. They fund the company and distribute new Lucasfilm creations (i.e. "Star Wars Rebels").

I remembered at one point there was a trailer for the DeSpEd that was parodied from the Star Wars 1997 SpEd trailer.  Does that still exist somewhere?

towne32 said:

G E Predator said:

Harmy said:

OK, is it just me who can see it or did the video get unblocked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXifjbxZDAM

It got unblocked.  I know it's FOX that owns the distribution rights to Star Wars, by a majority of the franchise is owned by Disney now, and Disney is easy going about people using their clips in mashup vids for comedy, commentary and other uses.  They just take official action when they see one of their movies being uploaded in full.

 I know Disney is better than Fox at these things, but how does this process work? Some auto detection first blocked it, and then Disney was alerted to it and unblocked manually? Or did someone submit a petition?

 The first option you mentioned : Auto detection blocks it, Disney is alerted to it by the uploader and they manually unblock it.

Harmy said:

OK, is it just me who can see it or did the video get unblocked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXifjbxZDAM

It got unblocked.  I know it's FOX that owns the distribution rights to Star Wars, by a majority of the franchise is owned by Disney now, and Disney is easy going about people using their clips in mashup vids for comedy, commentary and other uses.  They just take official action when they see one of their movies being uploaded in full.

Aldarion said: As it stands now, Harmy's excellent product is my new go-to version of the trilogy.

Thanks again Harmy!

 You and me both!  And if I'm in a special edition mood, I'll go to Adywan's revisited version.

That goes double for me, Harmy!

Aldarion said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Danfun128 said:

joefavs said:

...and since Fox owns ANH until the end of time...

To this (umm...) day I still don't understand what that means. :P

 It means that Fox owns the distribution rights for Star Wars forever, if they don't make a new deal. In contrast to the rights for Empire and Jedi, which will (or already did?) return to Lucasfilm.

 Actually, not forever... Distribution rights are apart of Copright Law. For works made before 1978 (and owned by a corporation), the copyright lasts for 95 years from the date the work was published. So as of now, Star Wars enters public domain in 2073. Of course, Congress can extend the copyright terms anytime they want (like in 1998), so it could be later than 2073. 

 None of the fans want to wait until then or later for the unaltered versions of the original trilogy to be made available in HD Blu-Ray or whatever home video format is in the future.  Our friend Harmy made the next best thing, so at least there's that.  If only Lucas wasn't so stubborn and just let the National Film Registry have the film negatives to the threatrical versions for preservation.  If Lucas is retired from Lucasfilms, that means he passed ownership of his company to someone else.  Thus what he should have no say what version of Star Wars is made public.

towne32 said:

Molly said:

G E Predator said:

CatBus said:

G E Predator said:

That shows Lucas has no appreciation for his art.

Or respect for other peoples' art. A most meddlesome executive producer.

 He should consider himself lucky that his films spawned a fan base that cares enough about them to help preserve the theatrical versions and show them to future generations.

I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, the preservationists make the final win, and while even the 1997 versions, never mind the 2004 and 2011 versions, have completely faded into obscurity, while the original theatrical versions painstakingly restored by longtime fans remain the definitive versions in circulation.

 I think this is exactly why a quality release of the OOT has been avoided. Let it out even a single time and it will usurp the updated versions. And the two things could've peacefully coexisted in overpriced "DELUXE MULTI-EDITION"s this whole time. 

 I'd gladly buy the Delux Multi-Edition if just for the UOT as long as it's properly restored and in anamorphic HD.

Molly said:

I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, the preservationists make the final win, and while even the 1997 versions, never mind the 2004 and 2011 versions, have completely faded into obscurity, while the original theatrical versions painstakingly restored by longtime fans remain the definitive versions in circulation.

 You and me both, and even Disney agrees that Han shot first (or "only" as some would say).  I honestly hope they make a deal with FOX and get the unaltered versions out on Blu-Ray or any HD format in true HD for everyone to own.

CatBus said:

G E Predator said:

That shows Lucas has no appreciation for his art.

Or respect for other peoples' art. A most meddlesome executive producer.

 He should consider himself lucky that his films spawned a fan base that cares enough about them to help preserve the theatrical versions and show them to future generations.

Molly said:

Sick, isn't it?

 More like degrading.  I understood Lucas being a perfectionist and wanting his movies to meet with his vision and all, but THAT?!?  There's making bad decisions for your art, but that more shows...Oh man, I can't believe I'm about to say it.  That shows Lucas has no appreciation for his art.

I'm only sorry it took me this long to realize it.

I just finished watching the extended documentary of the Despecialized Edition.  I had no idea Lucasfilms refused to allow the National Film Registry the preserve the unaltered version of Star Wars.

Made this out of boredom : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfNQcrq3UT4

I'm now a follower ^^

I'd definitely love to see that!

Other than purchase and printing DVD labels, I was finally able to make a perfect DVD copy of "Star Wars Revisited" with the DVD-9 version.  I look forward to doing the same with "Empire Revisited."

I just downloaded the ISO files of V.2.5 and burned DVD copies, which I will give to my aunt this Christmas.  She is an OT fan as well, and she will be very happy to own the non-special editions in HD on DVD.

Darth Id said:

G E Predator said:

As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, Luke was the "only hope" to restore the Jedi Order. 

 I find it bizarre and saddening that Lucas has brainwashed the fanbase into viewing everything through the lens of "Jedi" vs. "Sith."

 My apologies, but I don't think Lucas has "brainwashed" any one.  I simply believe that, even before the prequels, it was doubtful that Obi-Wan had any plans for Leia to be trained.  She had spent most of her life involved in politics and serving as "a member of the Imperial Senate," as well as a leader of the Rebel Alliance.  I'm not saying Leia couldn't be trained, but rather Obi-Wan didn't consider her to be trained (either because he wanted to keep her hidden in the event if Luke should fail or because he still abides by some of the Jedi Rules codes, such as "A Jedi cannot train more than once apprentice).

There's also the possibility that Obi-Wan did believe Leia was another new hope, but for restoring the Republic.

You might also say she was considered their "Plan B," yet Obi-Wan and Yoda hoped that it wouldn't be necessary.