FremenDar007

The Aluminum Falcon said:

dvdmike said:

The German disc bar the extras has the same encodes as the French disc 

Handy information. Their theatrical cut looks bad (whites blown to hell), just like the Universal BD and the Optimum BD. The HD-DVD is the best of the worst, in terms of least filtering.

What about taking the video from the HD DVD, converting it to BD format, grab the lossless audio and the English subtitles from the BD? Of course as a BD25. I could do this but I'd have to buy another XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on player and Army of Darkness on HD DVD.

I do have the single disc German Blu-ray which has the Director's Cut. Now I'm waiting for MGM Hong Kong to do a 4K master and put it on a maxed out BD50 with tons of grain. Of course lossless audio, subs and all the extra features.

Andrea, I'll see what the filesize is for THE THING Blu-ray I have for the DTS-HD MA 5.1. I'm leaving the DTS Core track which is embedded in the lossless audio.

As I mentioned, this track should be the default track for the BD25, which includes the DTS Core, the PCM Laserdisc audio next and then the dubs.

I'll see what I can do about extracting the subtitles again from the Blu-ray. It's the UK release.

I'll pm you the links when I upload it.

Jetrell Fo said:

When talking menus and such, I am NOT your guy.  LOL.  Your drive should be fine with AnyDVD HD.  As for ripping just the audio, I believe ClownBD can do that as well.

http://tinyurl.com/qdjwpwl

http://tinyurl.com/3qtwvxp

I hope this helps some.

When I extract the lossless audio, I'll also extract the "core" track part of it too.

I have my computer set-up as Plug and Play in the BIOS for new hardware. Should Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit automatically recognise the HD DVD add-on player when I buy the new one? Before the old one bricked itself, I was able to watch scores of HD DVDs just through the add-on and my computer.

Didn't one of the A Nightmare on Elm Street Laserdiscs have a PCM track? I'd love to delete the rest of the dub tracks including the lossy 2.0 and substitute in the PCM on the USA Blu-ray. Did any of the other ANoES films on Laserdisc have PCM audio?

DVD is dead to me, except some TV shows, and since I only owned the first ANoES on DVD, I'd rather buy the Blu-ray boxset.

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Nice Andrea! Of course you'll be leaving the film grain in. What about the lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1 track from the Blu-ray? I could rip it for you if need be. How about a version which is English only? Meaning the English tracks including lossless, being first choice, and English SDH subtitles.

dvdmike said:

FremenDar007 said:

Great project. I'll put the BD25 with the USA Blu-ray release. Be sure not to degrain it or use EE.

Never would I 

Nice. What about subtitles? Preferrably English SDH.

Jetrell Fo said:

FremenDar007 said:

Which program should I use to watch my HD DVDs? I have ArcSoft Total Media Theater 6 installed. I had to junk my old XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on player since my front USB ports bricked it.

Of course I'm interested in converting the video to Blu-ray with the DTS-HD MA or whichever tracks.

I have:

The Adventures of Robin Hood; Backdraft; Batman Begins; Black Rain; BLADE RUNNER: 5-Disc; The Bourne Identity; The Bourne Supremacy; The Bourne Ultimatum; Brotherhood of the Wolf (UK); Bullitt; Carlito's Way; Charlie and the Chocolate Factory; DragonHeart; DUNE; FACE/OFF; Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas; Field of Freams; The Frighteners; THE GAME; The Italian Job; Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior; Mission: Impossible; Mission: Impossible 2; Mission: Impossible III: 2-Disc; SERENITY; Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; Sleepy Hollow; Sneakers; The Sting; The Thing; TRANSFORMERS; The Untouchables; V for Vendetta.

 

 

The Blu-ray's I upgraded to, including the titles I used to own on HD DVD (There are many which I've forgotten if I used to own them on DVD or HD DVD):

2001: A Space Odyssey; 12 Monkeys; The Bourne Trilogy; Carlito's Way; CASINO; The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black; DUNE; THE GAME (Criterion); KING KONG (2005); Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (Original and Remastered); Mission: Impossible (USA & Norway); Mission: Impossible 2 (USA & Norway); Mission: Impossible III: 2-Disc (USA & Norway); SERENITY; Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; The Sting; The Thing (UK); TRANSFORMERS...

 

How about THE THING HD DVD unmettled video with the lossless audio track from the Blu-ray on a BD25? Same for Apollo 13 and dozens of others. No need for menus. All that's needed is to take the HD DVD video, rejigg it to Blu-ray format, grab the lossless audio, and then retime it to the video. Convert to Blu-ray format folders and then as an ISO.

 

So which Blu-rays are better than the HD DVD for better film grain reproduction including The Thing, Appolo 13, DragonHeart, etc.? Should also count if the Blu-ray has differing versions of a title via seamless branching. i.e. American Gangster, Pitch Black and The Chronicles of Riddick; King Kong; (Dunno what else).

 

EDIT: TROY: Theatrical Cut is only on HD DVD so there's a preservation opportunity there.

2001: A Space Odyssey Blu-ray disc has a LPCM track boasting 6.9 MB/ps compared to the HD DVDs Dolby TrueHD track. So Uncompressed audio > Lossless audio.

King Kong is only theatrical on HD-DVD.  I have Apollo 13 on HD-DVD and it looks freeking awesome.

You might want to try using ClownBD.  It might make some of your work easier?  I used it for the first time yesterday to take Bluray video of Event Horizon so that I could mux our DTS Theatrical audio to it ..... it was quite awesome to hear it that way.

Do I need to use anything so the HD DVD add-on player will be recognized by AnyDVD HD? I know about King Kong since it was a freebie with the original HD DVD add-on I bought. Since upgraded it to Blu-ray a couple years ago.

As per mentioned, would be nice to use the DNR/EE Blu-ray versions of titles and substitute the video from the HD DVD but still use the lossless audio from the Blu-ray. All would have to do is synch them. Any recommended program for Windows x64 to extract Uncompressed and Lossless audio from Blu-rays?

^Should be used for The Sting; DragonHeart; Apollo 13; The Thing; The Mummy; The Mummy Returns; what other titles? The Big Lebowski is fine on Blu-ray from Italy, Army of Darkness from Germany; and other imports.

Should we have a Project where we use the video, untempered but reformatted for Blu, from HD DVD but the lossless audio from the Blu-ray? HD DVD to Blu-ray on BD25s. What about the menus, extras and subtitles being converted?

Which program should I use to watch my HD DVDs? I have ArcSoft Total Media Theater 6 installed. I had to junk my old XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on player since my front USB ports bricked it.

Of course I'm interested in converting the video to Blu-ray with the DTS-HD MA or whichever tracks.

I have:

The Adventures of Robin Hood; Backdraft; Batman Begins; Black Rain; BLADE RUNNER: 5-Disc; The Bourne Identity; The Bourne Supremacy; The Bourne Ultimatum; Brotherhood of the Wolf (UK); Bullitt; Carlito's Way; Charlie and the Chocolate Factory; DragonHeart; DUNE; FACE/OFF; Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas; Field of Freams; The Frighteners; THE GAME; The Italian Job; Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior; Mission: Impossible; Mission: Impossible 2; Mission: Impossible III: 2-Disc; SERENITY; Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; Sleepy Hollow; Sneakers; The Sting; The Thing; TRANSFORMERS; The Untouchables; V for Vendetta.

The Blu-ray's I upgraded to, including the titles I used to own on HD DVD (There are many which I've forgotten if I used to own them on DVD or HD DVD):

2001: A Space Odyssey; 12 Monkeys; The Bourne Trilogy; Carlito's Way; CASINO; The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black; DUNE; THE GAME (Criterion); KING KONG (2005); Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (Original and Remastered); Mission: Impossible (USA & Norway); Mission: Impossible 2 (USA & Norway); Mission: Impossible III: 2-Disc (USA & Norway); SERENITY; Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; The Sting; The Thing (UK); TRANSFORMERS...

How about THE THING HD DVD unmettled video with the lossless audio track from the Blu-ray on a BD25? Same for Apollo 13 and dozens of others. No need for menus. All that's needed is to take the HD DVD video, rejigg it to Blu-ray format, grab the lossless audio, and then retime it to the video. Convert to Blu-ray format folders and then as an ISO.

So which Blu-rays are better than the HD DVD for better film grain reproduction including The Thing, Appolo 13, DragonHeart, etc.? Should also count if the Blu-ray has differing versions of a title via seamless branching. i.e. American Gangster, Pitch Black and The Chronicles of Riddick; King Kong; (Dunno what else).

EDIT: TROY: Theatrical Cut is only on HD DVD so there's a preservation opportunity there.

2001: A Space Odyssey Blu-ray disc has a LPCM track boasting 6.9 MB/ps compared to the HD DVDs Dolby TrueHD track. So Uncompressed audio > Lossless audio.

Great project. I'll put the BD25 with the USA Blu-ray release. Be sure not to degrain it or use EE.

So where are the WOWOW for BTTF 2 and 3? Would love to have the WOWOW for Part 1 left as is with the grain kept in and made as a Blu-ray disc ISO.

Why not a ton of Criterion LD titles to preserve? Separate DVDs for the movie and extras for each title. DVD9 including commentaries and trailers for movie disc. DVD5 or 9 for the rest of the extras.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Unfortunately, it's only 10.06 GB, mate. And even though it's open matte, side image is lost. However, I believe that there may be detail that is lost by the high contrast/crushed blacks of the BD. Don't have it with me at the moment.

So then I'd compress it slightly then make it an AVCHD a.k.a. BD9. Obviously I'd rather not compromise quality too.

Wonder if all current HDTV 1080i broadcasts for this use the current Blu-ray disc color re-timing or not.

Though I do have The Matrix: Path of Neo as a PC DVD-ROM. No idea if anyone would want to watch a compressed playthrough of it. No commentary from me.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

FremenDar007 said:

So BD25 or BD50? Hopefully the film grain will be kept in, which is my understanding.

See above. It's a BD50. As for the grain:

You_Too said:The clipping resulted in a loss of the grain that is present throughout the whole movie in the original, which we have restored by sampling grain from scenes where it wasn't destroyed. 

 ...On closer examination of the HDX version, I could see now that it's oversharpened and that's why I thought it looked more compressed than it actually is. We're planning on maybe blurring it a bit to get back the cleaner look from before the oversharpening, and then sample some grain and re-add it over the whole movie to cover up whatever compression is left, and also to restore the grain in all scenes where compression might've reduced it.

^Sorry for the weird formatting.

Nice for the BD50 and glad you guys are working on the film grain. So would we download the BD50 then and burn it ourselves? The discs are a bit costly, even from Optical Quantum. Why not have a separate disc for the HDX version, BD25, and then keep everything else on the BD50? To keep better bitrate for the film. I'd like to have a 2-Disc anyway. OR both versions of the film on the BD50 and the extras on a BD25.

Of course seamless branching would be practically impossible due to the differing resolutions and quality of the sources. Full menus obviously.

What about high quality HDTV 1080i converted to 1080p BD25s of horror films not on Blu-ray yet? Or alternate versions? I'd like to see this continue.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

There is a 1080i HDTV broadcast of decent size of the original cinematic color scheme on rutracker...

Is it around 15GB or more? I need something to work with. Maybe even convert it to progressive scan probably. I'd rather have this on a BD25 as a disc 2 for The Ultimate Matrix Collection on Blu-ray. Maybe I could get the entire color timings from it and have a match going scene by scene whenever I rip the Blu-ray 1:1 for this.

Are the Fan Edits of Reloaded and Revolutions ever been redone from an HDTV broadcast, HD DVD or Blu-ray disc source? If these are on BD25s, might as well have a custom Blu-ray boxset.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

What do you think about 1.66:1 instead of 1.85:1?

Since this was shot open matte, I'd say have both the cinematic 1.85:1 available and custom 1.66:1 version for a more "British" feel.

As I've mentioned, I'd go for a HDTV broadcast of this, especially one which has the film grain retained, as the Blu-ray isn't even worthy of a purchase or to make a copy of for this project.

Do you have the Special Edition Laserdisc, OP?

So BD25 or BD50? Hopefully the film grain will be kept in, which is my understanding. The Blu-ray disc logo doesn't need to be on the front cover.

You guys should have your own company! This would've been Scream Factory quality and even more extensive compared to that. Great project!

Twilight Time is a damn joke.

ZariusTwo said:

I was wondering if anyone else has entertained the idea of inserting Annete O'Toole's scenes from Superman III into Superman II?

I've been watching both films lately and I'm trying to work around certain factors. I think to avoid very obvious love triangle issues (do we really want Clark pining for Lana while knocking up Lois at the same time? No), I think we should omit (just about) the entirety of the depowering storyline for this.

Here's what I've got so far in the edit:
*Start with a recap of teen Clark and Lana in Smallville, then flash forward to Supes diverting the missiles, sending one into space, villains freed, head to Earth, "FREEEE", into credits
*Clark gets the Smallville assignment from Perry, Lois goes away (in this cut, she's being assigned to Paris, partially inspired by ADM's Superman Redeemed)
*Lex and Otis discuss Superman in prison
*Superman saves the planet
*Clark meets Lana at the dance
*Lex escapes prison
*Clark and Lana tidy up the dance hall, Lana has the "one that got away" line
*Zod and co wreak havoc on the moon
*Clark saves Lana's kid from the harvester.
*Lex and Tessmarcher at the fortress
*Clark tells Lana Superman will be at Ricky's party
*Zod and crew touch down
*Superman honored by the town
*Paris hostage situaton
*Zod and crew terrorize town further
*Love struck Supes makes a diamond for Lana
*Lana decides to travel to Metropolis
*Zod and crew continue to attack the town, news begins to spread of the assault.
*Clark and Jor-El have a talk in the fortress. Jor-El brings up the crystal chamber
*Zod and crew conclude their terrorizing of the town
*Clark visits Lana and gives her the diamond. The audience does not know if Clark used the chamber.
*Zod and crew attack the White House
*Clark, Lana and Ricky at the bowling alley.

*Lex visits the villains

*Clark learns of Zod's attack over the news (I've used scenes from Superman IV for this)

*Daily Planet attack by Zod and crew, "care to step outside?". Conveying to the audience that he didnt use the chamber after all.

*Superman punches Non and he smashes into a building, causing a power outage that affects Lana and kid in the train
*Everything proceeds up to the Fortress, Supes tricks Zod and crew into depowering
*No Fortress destruction, no Clark/Lois kissing, no balcony farewell.
*Lois and Lana meet (how I'm going to get past Lois' tan issue I don't know, maybe a bit of text that reads "two months" later?)
*Supes brings the flag back to the White House. Apologises for being away. Supes flies away, winks at camera. Life goes on.

So far, it's been going well.

 

Sources: Superman Movies DVDs

Programe: Adobe Power Pro

You should use as your source the Blu-rays from the Superman Anthology boxset. If you don't have a BD-ROM drive or burner, then I'm not interested in this project since you're still using DVD.

Yes, you can still work with far better quality which is Blu-ray but yes, use the DVDs as the rough version.

BD25 or BD50 version available when?

Instead, make a fan-edit of Die Another Day. SKYFALL is literally one of the best OO7 films around.

Also, read my signature.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

I suppose that the content from all the Treasures discs (1DVD9 and 2DVD5s) can be fit onto a single BD-25; however, that would mean there would be a mix of Evil Dead 1 and 2 materials. Also, all the materials are in SD, so it's probably better just to have it as a DVD, so DVD players can upconvert it well. Someone may also need to make new menus.

SeeNoEvil is working on another Evil Dead disc, an improved version of his Treasures Collection, but is still far from completion; if comprehensive enough, that could probably be put on a Blu-Ray disc.

Yeah a single comprehensive BD25 should be nice. Just re-encode as AVC, same bitrate as the DVDs, same aspect ratio/etc, audio better bitrates. Main menu as 1080p AVC and then choices for the different Treasures titles.

Would much rather have a series of BD25s compared to several crap DVD5s/9s. Have the Compilated Treasures be separate BD25s with all the DVD content on them. First BD25 Treasures should in fact be 2 DVD9 and one DVD5. Regular Blu-ray cover art, but I'd much rather use multi-disc cases compared to the regular 12mm spine. Or even 6mm spines.

DVD is dead for me, except the majority of prior releases of EVIL DEAD Trilogy, DOCTOR WHO Classic and some other UK TV shows in 576i.

Go for it again as a DVD9. Much better bitrate and why not a 1080i HDTV broadcast to work from? No Hauppage?

Also it appears heavily similar to DVNR/EE wreckage which can be attributed to releases exactly of the same vein as DIE HARD: With a Vengeance USA DVD.

drngr said:

FremenDar007 said:

Nothing will be changed to the video concerning film grain, just retiming the color. Should be easy.

What makes you say that? In addition to the literal hue change, there are huge changes in contrast to the point of clipping, as well as edge enhancement to give a "bolder" look.

What I meant is I'd only need to set the values and go from there. Rip it right from the Blu-ray and not changing the source of it.

Unless if there's been a HDTV broadcast in 1080i, large file size, of the original cinematic color scheme.

If so, then I'd just convert that to be on a BD25 anyway. No film grain removal.

Jetrell Fo said:

FremenDar007 said:

I could rent The Matrix Blu-ray and rip the main video file and then re-time it. It still has the re-timing to match Reloaded and Revolutions, correct?

No, it won't be for DVD, unless if I make a BD9. Yes for BD25 since it's cheapest. Still VC-1, no MPEG2 shit downconversion. Yes for the lossless audio and subtitles.

If you don't have a Blu-ray disc player, PS3, or even a BD-ROM or burner drive, then tough shit.

 

Nothing will be changed to the video concerning film grain, just retiming the color. Should be easy.

Well, if this could be done fairly simply all that would need to be done is have the DTS audio properly put back together and have it synch with the video.  Do we have anyone here that is so good at audio editing and synch that they don't need to timeshift to synch? 

What about the Dolby TrueHD track from the Blu-ray disc or is that not up to par? I bet it's another one of those -4db tracks too...

Might as well use my Blu-ray disc burner for a worthwhile project. All I'd need to do is have the same color timimg throughout the entire film to match the original DVD/cinematic release? Could compress it to fit on a BD25 with room to spare for a high bitrate DTS track.

Especially because Blu-ray has far better color timing and detail compared to even LD, DVD and HD DVD. If the bitrate is better and film grain kept it compared to HD DVD.

As I've mentioned, I'd never make any DVD versions of anything. AVCHD/BD9 or BD25 for this.

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Molly, you should do a Kickstarter to get a X0 or X9.