Frank your Majesty

SilverWook said:

that “free upgrade” pop up window needs to be destroyed.

Time travel. It’s definitely time travel.

SS4DarthPayne said:

TFA: And on that note, man, TFA gets both… under and overrated? Like, it’s hard to be someone who takes the middle ground on it. I will start with saying that I think people who say it is as good as or better than ROJ are crazy (no offense). That comparison isn’t close to me.

I think many people here who say it’s close or better than Jedi wouldn’t give TFA a much higher score than you did, they would just give Jedi a much lower score.
Jedi constantly goes from ups to downs; Jabba’s palace - silly musical number (even in the original version) - Sarlacc pit action - boring briefing scene - speeder bike chase - Ewok village - Grand finale; while TFA is much more consistent overall, but may lack a scene with the impact of Vader’s redemption. Personally, I enjoy a “solid-but-not-great” movie a bit more than a movie that makes me constantly think “how could they waste such a potential?”.

John Doom said:

Killing someone disarmed doesn’t count :\

Isn’t this exactly what a villain would do?

DuracellEnergizer said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Ask ten people why they didn’t like TFA and you will get ten contradictory answers.

Well, they are ten different people; they’re bound to have their own differing tastes and biases …

Yeah, but if there really was a big underlying problem in the movie, these complaints wouldn’t contradict each other so much. Among the people who don’t like the PT, there is at least a general consensus about what exactly is bad, not someone saying “Jar-Jar was stupid and unnecessary!!!” and the next one saying “Not enough Jar-Jar scenes!!!”.
In the case of TFA, it’s all about personal preferences and interpretations, not about things that are truly objectively bad. Notice that I didn’t say “what they don’t like about TFA”, sure you may not like villains to have a personality apart from being evil, but this doesn’t mean every movie that has such a villain is bad.

John Doom said:

I’m saying they should’ve showed him this threatening since the beginning, because at that point his role as the main villain was already ruined to me.

“I don’t like TFA because Kylo is shown as super evil and skilled din the beginning, but then it turns out that he can’t do anything.” - "I don’t like TFA because Kylo is not threatening enough in the beginning and only does something impactful towards the end."

So what is it now? Ask ten people why they didn’t like TFA and you will get ten contradictory answers.

What information does he not get? If I remember correctly, Poe didn’t look at the map before giving it to the droid, so all information he could give Kylo was where the map was.

So you’re saying having someone appearing as a villain, but then turning out to be a complex character is bad, because it has never happened in a Star Wars movie before, but at the same time the major flaw of TFA is to be unoriginal?

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Scott109 said:

Episode VIII Predictions

The film will open with a battle occurring on an ice world.

The film will cross cut between Rey training with Luke and the other characters navigating an asteroid belt on the way to Cloud City.

Luke tells Rey she is too old to be trained.

Luke will say, “No, I am your father.”

Rey will battle Kylo Ren at the end.

Kylo Ren will cut off Rey’s arm.

Rey’s lightsaber will fall into the depths below.

Quoted to see if anything of this will even remotely happen.

And who says that Kylo must be a villain?

You mean like this?

ZkinandBonez said:

The mind trick scene in the Otoh Gunga early in the film really confused me. I just assumed that Boss Nass was really gullible and that Qui-Gon was just very convincing.

I thought this despite having seen the OT before Episode 1, only when Plinkett mentioned it, I realized it was a mind trick.

This definitely sounds like a Trump rally.

John Doom said:

Frank your Majesty said:

If you look how often (even here) people complain that the origins of the resistance and the first order aren’t explained sufficiently, you can imagine what people would be saying without these exposition scenes.

I don’t understand what you mean: not telling (or not explaining enough) it’s different from telling (through expositions) or not telling directly (through symbolism).

What I mean is that it is extremely difficult for filmmakers to anticipate how much exposition the audience wants. “Should we explain where the resistance comes from?” vs. “Should we make it more clear that the lightsaber called to Rey?” what is more important for the current movie? The backgrounds of the two sides can easily be explained in one of the next movies, the lightsaber scene not so much, so they decided to do it that way. Since it’s common practice to explain everything to the audience, I’m glad they at least managed to have one thing left misterious.

John Doom said:

nesboy43 said:

Think about the original trilogy though. When Luke enters the cave in Empire Strikes Back and has that terrifying vision we are left to imagine things instead of having Yoda explain what just happened. I am no film critic, but I always believed in the concept of less being more in most situations (which Kasdan seems to have forgotten). Why did Maz have to say the Lightsaber was calling to her, when the audience literally heard it calling to her earlier? Do the writers think the audience is dumb and needs to be told what they just saw a few minutes beforehand? Why does Finn have to be told a lightsaber is a weapon?

It’s probably like you said: they felt explaining directly was needed for everyone to understand. It’s not Kasdan’s fault, anyway: it’s become kind of a common practice since some decades ago, especially for blockbuster. It may have to do with the fact they want literally everyone to watch these movies and understand them, possibly even kids (except they put a torture scene right at the beginning of TFA, but anyway…). That or they actually think we’re dumb 😄
It’s a shame, because leaving things not directly explained can add to the experience, because it lets the actual protagonist (that is you, the viewer) fill directly the gaps, without someone else’s assistance. Possibly the reason why Blade Runner’s DC and FC are still so popular, as well as TESB.

If you look how often (even here) people complain that the origins of the resistance and the first order aren’t explained sufficiently, you can imagine what people would be saying without these exposition scenes.

Well, I wouldn’t say I’m a Doors fan anyways 😉

Here’s the list of my ripped albums and high quality downloads, all in lossless flac format.

Adrian Younge

• Black Dynamite OST

Agent Orange

• Living In Darkness

Alt-J

• An Awesome Wave

Ataxia

• Automatic Writing
• AW II

Bad Brains

• Bad Brains

Band Of Skulls

• Baby Darling Doll Face Honey
• Sweet Sour
• Himalayan

Black Flag

• My War

Black Knights

• Medieval Chamber

Danzig

• Danzig

Dead Kennedys

• Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables

Depeche Mode

• The Best Of Depeche Mode (Volume. 1)

Ferenc Fricsay

• Dvorak - Symphony No. 9; Smetana - Die Moldau; Liszt - Les Preludes

Flea

• Helen Burns

Fugazi

• 13 Songs

Funkadelic

• Maggot Brain

Gorillaz

• Gorillaz
• Demon Days
• Plastic Beach

Greatest Ever!

• Punk & New Wave

Jimi Hendrix

• Best Of Jimi Hendrix

John Frusciante

• Niandra LaDes And Usually Just A T-Shirt
• Smile From The Streets You Hold
• To Record Only Water For Ten Days
• Going Inside EP
• From The Sounds Inside
• Shadows Collide With People
• The Will To Death
• DC EP
• Inside Of Emptiness
• A Sphere In The Heart Of Silence
• Curtains
• The Empyrean
• Letur - Lefr
• PBX Funicular Intaglio Zone
• Wayne
• Outsides
• Enclosure
• 4​-​Track Guitar Music
• Fight For Love
• Medre
• Renoise Tracks 2009-2011
• Sect In Sgt
• Zone (Guitar and vocal)

John Williams

• Star Wars
• The Empire Strikes Back
• Return of the Jedi

Joy Division

• Unknown Pleasures
• Still

Kasabian

• Kasabian
• Empire
• West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum

Kurt Eichhorn

• Carl Orff - Carmina Burana

Last Step

• Sleep

Marina & The Diamonds

• The Family Jewels

Massive Attack

• Mezzanine

Mike Oldfield

• Tubular Bells
• Hergest Ridge

Neurotic Yell Records

• NYR 2014 Spring Sampler

New Order

• Substance

Nirvana

• Bleach
• Nevermind
• In Utero

Omar Rodriguez Lopez

• Omar Rodriguez Lopez & John Frusciante

Pink Floyd

• The Dark Side Of The Moon
• Wish You Were Here
• The Wall

Planet Mu

• Amµnition

Poemss

• Poemss

Ratatat

• Classics

Red Hot Chili Peppers

• Blood Sugar Sex Magik
• Californication
• By The Way
• Stadium Arcadium

Soul Coughing

• El Oso

The Cure

• Boys Don’t Cry
• Greatest Hits

The Doors

• The Very Best Of The Doors

The Germs

• (GI)

The Mars Volta

• Tremulant EP
• De-Loused In The Comatorium
• Frances The Mute
• Amputechture
• The Bedlam in Goliath
• Octahedron
• Noctourniquet
  Trickfinger
• Sect In Sgt
• Trickfinger

Venetian Snares

• Higgins Ultra Low Track Glue Funk Hits 1972-2006
• Winter In The Belly Of A Snake
• Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding
• Rossz Csillag Alatt Született
• Cavalcade Of Glee And Dadaist Happy Hardcore Pom Poms
• Hospitality
• Detrimentalist
• Horsey Noises
• My So-Called Life
• My Love Is A Bulldozer
• Thank You For Your Consideration
• Traditional Synthesizer Music

Violent Femmes

• Violent Femmes
• Hallowed Ground
• The Blind Leading The Naked
• 3
• Why Do Birds Sing?

I got some more CDs in my shelf, that I haven’t ripped yet and just as many mp3s that I only occasionally listen to.

Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks

Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.

Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you? He was a stupid ogre.

Is it really necessary to discuss this in three different threads?

Palpatine clouded his judgement.

Didn’t we have this question in another thread before?
Short answer: to make the escape more interesting.
Long answer: he’s the leader of a criminal organization, that’s hardly something you can do when you’re weak-minded like the stormtroopers who were indoctrinated to follow orders.

Scott109 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Scott109 said:

Bingowings said:

Scott109 said:

Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I think it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.

What?

It was pretty obvious that Anakin suffered from Manic Depressive Disorder or Bipolar Disorder.

These are common symptoms of Bipolar Disorder:

• Delusions of grandeur (“I will be the greatest Jedi ever. I will even learn how to stop people from dying”)

• Either sleeping excessively or experiencing insomnia (Anakin wakes up early because he cannot sleep)

• Extreme restlessness and extreme depression (Anakin is constantly active, has intense bursts of energy, throws things, weeps bitterly, and massacres the Tusken Raiders when his mother dies)

• Rapid and unprovoked mood swings (Anakin’s mood is always unpredictable)

• Hallucinations or visions (Anakin sees hallucinatory visions of his mother)

• An inability to concentrate (Obi-Wan always tells Anakin to concentrate)

The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him, not cringe at his creepy attempts to seduce Padme, even if this creepiness was intended.
The same can be said of all in-universe explanations of the PT’s faults. Sure, Palpatine can use the dark side to make the Jedi order stupid, but does it make for a good movie if the protagonists are a bunch of idiots?
These inconsistencies between how Obi Wan describes the Jedi and Anakin in Star Wars vs. how they are portrayed in the PT transforms him from a wise wizard to a senile old man, when his character was already weakened by making him a liar (from a certain point of view) in Empire.

The Jedi Council was not foolish; the dark side clouded its ability to prophecy the future.

The Jedi Council was suspicious of Palpatine in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan informed the Jedi Council that Count Dooku had told him that the senate was under the control of a Sith Lord, and he asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. It was impossible to accuse Palpatine without any evidence.

If Anakin was not emotionally disturbed at all in Attack of the Clones, his transformation to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith would have been rushed and unbelievable.

I always thought that Padmé never thought of Anakin as creepy; she was only playing hard to get.

Anakin was a Jedi Knight, a war hero in the Clone Wars, a cunning warrior, and the best pilot in the galaxy. Obi-Wan was not lying.

You can say that the coucil’s judgement is clouded all day long, but it doesn’t make it a good idea to begin with. Watching the prequels, Palpatine must have clouded the judgement of half the galaxy to pull off his plan. It is still a boring plot device to rely on the protagonist’s stupidity, no matter how well this stupidity is explained.

Can we please get flukeskywalker back in exchange for this guy?

Jabba not resisting a Jedi mind trick would make the escape pretty boring.

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