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#1028719
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Just re-watched the reliance demo reel. Don’t know what y’all think, but it’s stunning IMO, especially the shots from the Bespin duel. On the BD, is just drab and gray looking. In the demo, all kinds of blues are coming out, and the sabers don’t suffer from that terrible over saturation.

Mike Verta wasn’t so thrilled with some of the shots in their reel, such as this one of the stormtroopers running through a Death Star hallway in ANH:

https://vimeo.com/mikeverta/realitycheck

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#1028512
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Do you think Disney will release the unaltered versions for DVD and blue ray?
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moviefreakedmind said:

I’d buy a $120 complete saga set to get a legitimate HD copy of the Original Trilogy, but I don’t think that PT would be a wise marketing move to package with the OT. Also, there really isn’t a “complete saga” anymore because there’s going to be so many movies.

Which is exactly why they should just give each movie its own ultimate set.

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#1028191
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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That dupe neg talk was just speculation on Robert A Harris’ part. I’m pretty sure we know for a fact that George had the changes cut directly into the o-neg. RAH is correct, though, that the o-neg is not needed for an amazing OOT restoration.

Now that it’s Disney’s money to spend on such a project and not GL’s, I’d say the chances are much greater. George even changed his tune from “my original vision” to “it’s too expensive right now” not long before selling the company. I honestly don’t think it would bother him if the remastered original were packaged with a remastered SE.

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#1027786
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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moviefreakedmind said:

This may be useless, but Peter Mayhew’s tweeting of the original script (with emphasis on Han shooting first) to build up to a “big announcement” that he ultimately never made.

EDIT: Also, according to a poster on another forum in 2015, his company was instructed to remaster “Empire of Dreams” in HD.

Good point about Mayhew.

As for Empire of Dreams, could that hd remastering simply have been for purposes of putting it up on youtube? Or is that upload still in 480p like the dvd?

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#1027637
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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So we now have a timeline of:

May-July, 2014:

Gareth Edwards hired for Rogue One, watches “just completed” ANH restoration not long after. Reliance Media Works lists a 16-bit 4k restoration of the OT on their website (before quickly removing it as soon as some news outlets get wind of it) and posts brief clips in their demo reel.*

April, 2015:

The day before the digital release of I-VI, Devin Faraci writes an article claiming an unnamed source inside Lucasfilm has seen a new version of the SE where Greedo does not shoot first (someone mentioned something in the last couple pages of the thread about a different Jabba scene and I don’t remember hearing about that). He theorizes it may have been done for said digital versions and stands by his source the next day when it turns out to be the 2011 transfer yet again.**

September, 2015:

John Landis mentions having been told by George over lunch that Disney is planning to put out the original movies “the way they were.”

December, 2015:

Disney requests the Library of Congress’ 35mm print of Star Wars from 1977.

Summer, 2016:

Roadshow screenings of the OT are held around the country. Although originally specified as being the 1997 SE 35mm prints, they turn out instead to be DCPs of the 2011 version … at least content-wise. Tack reported it as looking quite different from the existing 2004/2011 Lowry transfer in terms of color and film grain and even notes that the 2004/2011 changes looked different from everything else, suggesting they may have simply been plugged into a new 4k transfer of the 97 SE-conformed o-neg.

*After pouring over screenshots from the demo reel, the lightsaber flashes from the ANH duel appeared to be from the SE. The comparison was deemed inconclusive IIRC from way back in the thread. Were we able to glean anything from the shot where the x-wings roll off of formation one by one (re: originals vs. 97 recomps)?

**My guess? George was still hanging around after selling the company but before Disney threw out his ST treatments, right? Maybe he had the change made around then but specifically requested that it be saved for the next physical format release of the movies (on 4k Ultra HD).

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#1025891
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Star Wars moving forward without Ms. Fisher
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Part of me wants them to keep Episode VIII exactly as it would have been and not change a thing, since Carrie had already filmed all her scenes for the movie before her death.

There are a million and one possibilities. I’m sure everyone at Lucasfilm are putting their heads together. As others have said, Carrie would have wanted whatever is best for the sake of these movies. But we also want a worthy tribute to her, a sentiment no doubt shared by the filmmakers.

My thoughts?

I don’t want them reusing footage or using cgi for Episode IX. This is all obviously dependent on how things play out in VIII (and whether or not they simply make changes to that movie as well), but what I would want them to do is to take a page from how Leonard Nimoy’s death was addressed in Star Trek Beyond. Early in Episode IX, have a scene where a group of characters return from a battle. It was a victory, but General Organa was killed leading the Resistance.

An idea someone posted in the comments at birthmoviesdeath that I actually loved:

“(at some point) cut to a memorial statue or plaque, and we dolly out to reveal a person (Finn? Poe? Rey?) paying their respects as they pass by before joining a meeting or on their way to a ship or something.
They could even touch it and say “for luck” before moving on.”

That really got me, but in a good way.

My only other suggestion would be to give Billie Lourd’s character a bigger role in Episode IX. She was just on Late Night with Seth Meyers a couple weeks ago and is becoming quite the actress herself, despite - she mentioned - her family’s best efforts.

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#1025846
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Just so we can settle this part of the debate:

The 4k master is not an upscale.

Yes, we know this with a degree of certainty.

The only things that would be upscaled in the SE are practically all of the vfx shots, since even the “unaltered” miniature shots were still recomped and this only would’ve been done in 2k.

However, it’s worth noting that even new movies made today in 2016, even if they’re finished as a 4k DI, still only have their vfx shots rendered at 2k. So, there’s nothing at all disingenuous about the '97 fx shots being upscaled from 2k as far as I’m concerned.

It’s also worth noting that the 2004 and 2011 changes may possibly have been finished at true 2k and not 1080p (subtle and perhaps insignificant distinction, but still). ILM might have saved them on a hard drive and simply “plugged them in” to the new 4k master. But those changes are so few and far between either way, so they’re not worth worrying about really.

What matters is that most of the OT-SE is still the original camera negative, or at least IP replacements for the frames of the o-neg that were damaged beyond repair. This fresh 4k scan utilized for Reliance MediaWorks’ 16-bit 4k master will bring out even more detail than was possible with the 2k scan Lowry used twelve years ago.

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#1024358
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Mike O said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Mike O said:

lovelikewinter said:

Mike O said:

These rumors just keep flying, but still nothing concrete. I’m just finding it hard to get my damned hopes up. I’d download Harmy, but I’m scared of getting arrested.

You wont get arrested. The person who shared it would be more likely to get arrested. I’ve downloaded a ton of torrents over the years and never had an issue.

Almost all of the fan-edits of films I want are of movies I own at least one copy of, and sometimes several. My brother is a lawyer trying to get into Internet intellectual property law and says that it can be a pretty big fine if I get caught, but not arrested. Thanks, Atticus. Millions of people torrent stuff, but I swear, I’d be the damned one who got caught.

Your brother is a lawyer named Atticus?

He went to law school, I called him Atticus sarcastically. It would be so cool if he was a lawyer named Atticus though.

You should ask your brother if Lucas could actually prevent an official OOT restoration from ever happening by writing it into his will or something, or if there would still be ways to circumnavigate his wishes after he’d passed away.

Yes, I know we keep saying “he sold it to Disney fair and square.” But the truth is we really don’t know what the terms of the sale to Disney were. I’m like 99% confident that Disney’s the reason it hasn’t happened yet, they want to keep the focus on the new movies and also wait until they fully control all the non-ANH movies. But it’s that 1% of doubt that makes me wonder. We’ve already heard rumors that people at Fox “don’t feel comfortable” being involved in an unaltered restoration while George is still alive.

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#1023199
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Darth Id said:

ImperialFighter said:

…Gareth is quoted as saying that John Knoll said that …

Stopped reading due to Landis being absent from this chain of hearsay.

What’s weird is that I was reading through the most recent comments in this thread before asking when exactly that John Landis quote happened. Then I googled it and apparently it was September of last year, placing it roughly halfway between when Edwards would’ve watched the 4k restoration and right now.

In reply to the earlier comments about it being an upscale, it’s definitely not an upscale. Reliance Media Works had the OT listed on their website as “4k 16-bit” very briefly in July 2014 before it was quickly taken down. This would’ve been only a couple months after Edwards was hired. The brief clips on RMW’s demo reel show that it’s clearly from a fresh scan.

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#1022594
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Info: How Many Versions are there of the AOTC?
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I also remember thinking it was weird that McCallum said “we were still filming last week” in reference to the dcp version the day the movie opened when the different hand shot appeared to be the same location. Unless that was somewhere in California and not Lake Cuomo in Italy and they literally got Natalie and Hayden the week before, just for that one shot.

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#1022564
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Alderaan said:

lovelikewinter said:

Rogue One will probably be on blu-ray in April. Releasing Star Wars in a 40th Anniversary edition in May would be great cross promotion. You have the film that Rogue One leads to. You have the original version, not seen in years and you can stick a trailer for Episode 8 on it to add to the excitement. It would be a win.

I think there is zero chance they are going to cannibalize sales of RO with some other major release.

Exactly.

If it’s happening at all next year, it’s definitely not happening in May only a month after Rogue One hits blu-ray. It wouldn’t happen until September/October, which has always been their release window for the OT on home video.

Dropping a trailer for it on May 25th? That I can see happening.

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#1022307
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Not to drudge this back up again, but there was a rumor going around last year that someone at LFL (“unnamed source”) had seen a new version of the SE where Han still shoots first. It ended up not being the digital versions, but the report still stands.

Considering fans have more gripes with that scene than probably any other change, it wouldn’t totally surprise me if George relented and changed it back.

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#1022298
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Info: How Many Versions are there of the AOTC?
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Digital Cinema version had Padme holding Anakin’s prosthetic hand at the end. 35mm did not. I’m relatively sure that was the only difference between those two versions. I’m still kicking myself for not going to see the digital version when it was playing at the National Amusements / Multiplex theater in Merrifield, which was also the closest theater to where I lived in Falls Church (it was the only theater in all of Virginia showing it that way per starwars.com, and one of only a hundred in the whole country). I saw AotC on 35mm opening day in downtown DC intending to see it again in digital, but the Merrifield theater had swapped it out for Scooby-Doo before I was able to.

I’m 99% sure that the scene extension of Anakin’s confession to Padme about the Tusken slaughter wasn’t added until the dvd, not the dcp. I know dvdactive’s comparison said otherwise but I’m almost positive they’re wrong. I was actually just starting to post on message boards that summer (TFN, which I thankfully abandoned not long after finding this wonderful place), and I don’t recall anyone mentioning anything except the hand-holding in the final scene.

As noted, the IMAX version was cut down because the 15/70 projector reel platters couldn’t hold more than 120 minutes of film at the time. I never saw this version (it came out within only a few days of the dvd IIRC, which I never thought was a very good business decision but whatever). Some people who saw it said the edits actually improved the pacing of the movie.

The only major difference on the blu-ray I remember hearing about is the re-editing of the Yoda/Dooku fight, specifically when Dooku force-…collapses(?) that structure next to Anakin and Obi-Wan so he can make his escape. Youtube was a thing that existed by 2011 and I remember someone posted a simple camera recording of their tv for this scene. Other than this change, I’m assuming it’s identical to the dvd version in terms of content. The movie was given a new color grade that makes it look significantly different from the dvd, unlike RotS.

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#1021847
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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All signs point to 2020.

The ST will have concluded and Ep9 will have been released on home media.

Disney will finally control all rights to the first six films with the exception of ANH.

The new 4K Ultra HD format will have matured, giving Lucasfilm an excuse to dip yet again on these movies.

We know there’s been a 4k remaster of the OT, so that might very well become the basis for the next release.

In the meantime, I’m done getting my hopes up. If there’s a surprise out-of-nowhere announcement that we’re getting it next Fall ahead of Ep8, so much the better, but I highly doubt it. We would’ve heard something by now.

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#1021801
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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lovelikewinter said:

I’m trying not to get my hopes up, you still have to deal with Fox who is ok with kissing Lucas’ ass. They might block it on the grounds of not wanting to go against his wishes.

My nephew will be 2 this January. I would love for him to see a nice version of the Original Trilogy when he is old enough. I already jokingly threatened to call CPS if he’s shown the Prequels or the SEs.

For all we know it could be Disney who’s holding out. The rights to Empire, Jedi and the prequels revert entirely to LFL in 2020. Disney might be waiting until then so they can maximize their profits on those movies rather than share them with Fox right now.

My best friend’s daughter will be 2 in March, so I was thinking along the same lines as you. I know that the OT (2011 blu-rays) were some of the first things they “watched” together, but I would certainly hope the-powers-that-be do these films justice by the time she’s actually old enough to remember watching them for the first time.

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#1019910
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Burdokva said:

I am noticing a lot of negative comments across the net about the image quality, specifically the movie being too dark and a bit washed out.

I saw it in IMAX 3D and it looked very well. Colour palette as rich and definitely not too dark. In fact, it was one of the best lit 3D movies I’ve seen.

I am going to see it again with another group of friends in REAL 2D or 3D… wondering if I’ll notice quality issues? The Arena REAL cinema screens in my city are definitely underlit, although I suspect that’s on part of the cinema chain trying to save $$$…

Like I said in my post, the theater I saw it at dropped the ball. If it was amateur hour during the premiere of a freakin’ Star Wars movie then I’m guessing it’s always amateur hour there. That’s what I get for seeing it at a theater I’d never been to. Only saw it there because my friend works five minutes away and has a ridiculously long commute he was at least able to alleviate by skipping rush hour.

To those of you lucky few who live near a 70mm Imax location and were able to see it that way, I am peanut butter and jealous.

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#1019834
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Been reading everyone’s thoughts since getting back from a 7pm screening (east coast of U.S.) more than four hours ago.

Did anyone who saw it in regular 'ol 2D think the movie looked kinda dim or did my theater just drop the ball on the projection? I’m like 99% sure they left the 3D filter on. This has happened multiple times in the past. I probably should’ve said something during the trailers but then the movie started and I just thought “well, I either miss some of the movie and disrupt the enjoyment of the people in my row I’ll need to walk past just so I can tell a theater employee, or I wait until it’s over and try to get a free ticket voucher out of this.” Once the movie was over, I made the mistake of telling it to a group of four of the theater employees instead of simply asking for the manager. One of them quickly responded “it (the 3D filter) switches on and off automatically.” It only just occured to me now that he might not have understood why having it on the projector at all during a 2D movie was a problem, but at that moment my desire to take a much-needed post-movie piss and also go warm up my car outweighed my presentation complaints. Like, the bins to collect the 3D glasses were still sitting there inside the theater … If they cared as much about a quality experience as they did about making money, maybe my screening wouldn’t have had as many empty seats. Oh, well. That’s the first and likely last time I’ll ever visit that theater anyway.

Aaaaanyway, sub-par presentation aside, the movie was still very enjoyable. The first act jumped around a little too much for me to get a clear picture (ha!) of what was going on, but I loved watching Mikkelsen and Mendelsohn play off each other in that opening scene. I’d settled into the movie by the time our heroes got to Eadu.

The dim presentation might’ve actually helped cg Tarkin blend in better. The farscape fan in me is disappointed they didn’t get Wayne Pygram back. I’d like to take this moment to remind everyone that RotS’ makeup work earned the movie its sole oscar nomination. As for Leia, she looked fine in her one single shot, but again, why not get Billie Lourd? As it stands, these cg recreations are an interesting part of our continually evolving philosophy of vfx.

Artoo and Threepio’s cameo was kinda jarring until I reminded myself “oh right, this is the new canon and we officially had no idea where they were at this point in time.”

On the other hand, my brain lit up with excitement during the totally unexpected cameos of the other pilots from ANH. I turned to my friend right after they showed up and I said “THAT was awesome” and with a grin on his face he simply replied “yup.” Maybe it’s because it’s so quick, but I thought they were copy-pasted rather seamlessly.

Fighters crashing into the shield = RotJ homage?

What’s the name of the planet where Krennic visits Vader? Was that supposed to be Mustafar or somewhere else?

Loved Giacchino’s little nods to Williams in the score, like the shield passage and the hallways of the Tantive IV at the very end. He also brought the proper gravitas to moments like Chirrut’s final scene.

Riz Ahmed was great.

Sometimes the simplest filmmaking techniques can do a lot with a little, like when Cassian talks to Jyn in the Yavin hangar bay and we pull focus on his men standing behind him.

K-2SO’s demise was surprisingly emotional. Alan Tudyk did a great job in the role, his second time playing a robot.

Oh, and I only just now put this together from Godzilla, but Gareth Edwards sure likes his insanely huge explosions doesn’t he?

I’d love to see the earlier cut of the movie but knowing Disney it will probably never surface. Hopefully we get some interesting deleted scenes. At any rate, the final product makes a convincing case for having multiple cooks in the kitchen.