Fang Zei

SwissArmyTin said:

Fang Zei said:

There are far too many changes to make branching a viable option. They would need to give each version its own disc. Just yet another reason why they should actually do a complete restoration of the OOT.

Yeah, that’s why I said theatrical cut. At this point if they don’t go with a full restoration of the OOT but still want to release the “original” trilogy, I think they’d just fiddle with the OT footage so it’d fit in better with the SE footage, branch it, slap an “ORIGINAL THEATRICAL CUT” label on it, and call it a day.

I guess I don’t know what you mean, other than Disney intentionally being misleading with / half-assing an OOT release, which I don’t see them doing.

SwissArmyTin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe they’d put out a bonus disc containing scenes and segments from the original versions that have been remastered, allowing an editor to recreate a mostly OOT. Maybe that would satiate those in the company who want to put it out and those who want to resist doing so for whatever reason, misplaced loyalty to GL or otherwise.

If they did that, they would have absolutely no reason NOT to use branching to view the theatrical cut. If anything, it’d kick up a mighty large shitstorm

There are far too many changes to make branching a viable option. They would need to give each version its own disc. Just yet another reason why they should actually do a complete restoration of the OOT.

TV’s Frink said:

Ric Olie said:

Haarspalter said:

Sougouk said:
Who is this Hans character? Maybe she was thinking of Hans Gruber? 😃

It’s probably THIS guy:

Hahaha… He looks like Clark Griswald from European Vacation.

I always thought Harrison and Chevy bore a resemblence to each other.

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe they’d put out a bonus disc containing scenes and segments from the original versions that have been remastered, allowing an editor to recreate a mostly OOT. Maybe that would satiate those in the company who want to put it out and those who want to resist doing so for whatever reason, misplaced loyalty to GL or otherwise.

I also highly doubt they would do this. It’s going to be either a restoration using strictly 1977-1983 material or nothing at all.

moviefreakedmind said:

Cobra Kai said:

DrDre said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Han Solo IRL said:

Would it be Disney in charge of restoring Star Wars material or Lucasfilm? If it’s the latter then I’m not sure that what Gluck says would even matter. That, and we don’t even know what question he was answering. Better to just reserve all expectations until April rather than go in optimistic or pessimistic.

I agree. I don’t doubt that Gluck knows what he’s talking about, but he wouldn’t be the one to spill the beans if this is actually happening. To my knowledge he didn’t say anything about whether or not restorationists are or have been working on this stuff.

He essentially only confirmed, that the negative of Star Wars is still conformed to the SE. He mentions nothing about the scans of the SE negative or the OOT elements. In other words a digital reconstruction of the OOT can exist, or can be reconstructed, while the physical negative is still conformed to the SE, and the OOT elements are in storage.

^This
The digital bits article basically told us nothing.

There is also a reputable poster on the blu-ray forums that says he knows for a “100% fact” that Disney is in the process of or has already finished scanning at 4k every single scrap of Star Wars film in their possession.
Now, I’m sure that’s pretty standard for Disney for archival purposes, and it obviously doesn’t mean they are working on an OOT, but at least it’s something…

Can you point me towards that guy? I can’t track that down through google or the bluray forums.

A user named captveg posted that they have it on good authority (they can’t name names) that Disney is currently in the process of digitally archiving every last piece of film at Lucasfilm pertaining to Star Wars, if they haven’t finished doing so already.

Before you go “oh, another unnamed source,” it does sound like captveg isn’t just making this up:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=13295105&postcount=62144

Lust-in-Phaze raises a good point re: marketing.

George may not have wanted to spend a single dime remastering the unaltered versions, but the company still made sure to advertise their release. I’d be curious to know just how well the GOUT did in terms of sales.

SwissArmyTin said:

Fang Zei said:

I’ve said many times that I would love a three-disc-per-movie release with unaltered, '97, and the new 4k SE (wouldn’t really care if the '04 and '11 versions weren’t included).

They could probably fit all the SEs versions (97, 04, 11) of a single film on a single disc w/seamless branching. They could also probably rope in the unaltered version as well, but then you’d be playing with fire in terms of color accuracy. It worked with Blade Runner (I think disc 1 of the 5-disc set contained the theatrical, international cut, and 1st director’s cut. I think.)

You read my mind! I was going to say all of this, but didn’t.

They could easily branch those three versions onto the same disc. I would want them to go with the '97 color timing, though. The color-timing of the lowry master isn’t worth preserving to me. A 4k scan of the '97 interpositive, given the proper restoration and mastering, would probably produce better results than the 2k scan / 1080p master of the o-neg did in 2004.

But yes, the actual content changes (landspeeder and Jabba re-do and aurebesh tractor beam signage in '04, blinking wicket and Vader Noooo in '11, etc) could probably be branched in without any problem since they’re so few and far between.

I doubt we’ll even get any of those three versions, though. Not even the '97. It will probably just be this new 4k version which, for all we know, might simply be the 2011 version in terms of content.

It was the middle of the three actual blu-rays on the five disc Blade Runner set that you’re thinking of. The second and fourth discs were just regular dvds with the Dangerous Days documentary and bonus features, respectively.

Yup, just under six weeks until the “suprise,” whatever it is, gets unveiled at Celebration.

Ronster said:

you have not done anything wrong but video will definitely be produced only in 10 bit color depth from now on whilst previously a lot of content was produced in 8 bit color depth. This produced Color Banding and solid gradients sometimes in some video sources.

8 bit depth was a mistake really.

To process 10 bit color depth and a high contrast you need to have a display that can handle it. If you want to get a New TV only get one that is labelled “ULtra HD premium” anything else is not of any Standard of HDR. A TV can exceed the standard also of Ultra HD premium.

I would not bother getting a 12 bit color depth display though either. The LCD panel needs to be 10 bit native not 8 bit dithered to be proper HDR.

There is very little demand for 4K video. there is a demand for an improved image and more detail better contrast more color range. Nobody want’s to stream 4k video to everyone it stupid and unrealistic and to be able to do that it’s very demanding.

all of these improvements that can be done without the massive burden of 4k for which you need a massive screen to get the benefit from anyway also and which most people don’t have the space for either. And the infrastructure for the needed bandwidth is not there either to do it and provide the service for everyone. It’s also a stretch for broadcast nobody is going to be able to get 4k down a normal aerial.

There is however everything right with scanning old films in 4k and with a higher exposure. And then displaying it on a TV with HDR at whatever resolution is needed for the size of your room / screen.

I would suggest this is the way forward for most people. Average everyday people that is.

http://www.techradar.com/news/sony-is-bringing-hdr-to-its-1080p-tvs-but-only-ps4-owners-will-benefit

I didn’t know anyone was making regular 1080p tvs with hdr. In fact, I thought the tv manufacturers had ceased making 1080p panels altogether. Very interesting.

By the way, 1080p hdr broadcasts will apparently become more of a thing in the near future according to an article I saw the other day. Apparently the industry determined that signals could be bumped up to 1080p and hdr using existing hardware whereas a complete overhaul would be necessary just to get 4k (even without hdr).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nickyd47 said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

They said there’ll be multiple surprises.

Three 4k SE discs.

The 1997,2004 and 2011 cut. What a release that would be.

I think he meant Star Wars, Empire and Jedi. And your scenario would never happen. Unless there is an OUT, a multi-version release is inconceivable. Even if we get the OUT, having multiple SE cuts seems unlikely.

I’ve said many times that I would love a three-disc-per-movie release with unaltered, '97, and the new 4k SE (wouldn’t really care if the '04 and '11 versions weren’t included). It would especially make for an interesting collection if, for example, the cgi were given a complete overhaul in the newest version, or if that crazy rumor about Han shooting first again turned out to be true.

But yeah, I’d be equally unsurprised if the '97 version became lost to history just like the theatrical cuts of Titanic and TPM.

I wonder how long TFA and RotS have said “theatrical version” on their amazon streaming links.

Handman said:

The demographic buying UHD Blu-rays are film enthusiasts first-and-foremost, at least at this point in its lifecycle, and most likely upwards of 30 years of age given how the average cost of a single UHD Blu-ray is around $40, so folks who grew up with the OOT. I don’t think a 4k SE would be met with much enthusiasm at this point. At least this is my assumption.

That also.

A UHD release of the SE would only be of interest to 4K enthusiasts. They would buy it hand over fist knowing it still doesn’t have the original versions, and then only for purposes of seeing what it looked like on their 4k tv.

A UHD release of the unaltereds, on the other hand, would actually help move 4k hardware.

TV’s Frink said:

Fang Zei said:

An announcement of a 4k-restored SE - and nothing more - would be met with a big huge “who cares?”

By us, sure. But I assume there are 4k enthusiasts out there who don’t care about the OOT.

Yes, but the people buying and watching in 4k only make up a small percentage right now. I’m future-proofing my bd purchases, but none of my hardware is 4k yet.

When George casually mentioned at the 2010 convention that the blu-rays were hitting the next year it was met with a huge response from the audience because we were already four years into that format. We just crossed the one year mark for UHD this week.

This “surprise” they’re teasing for the Celebration Orlando panel is either the announcement of a restored OOT or something entirely unrelated to a re-release of the movies, SE or otherwise.

An announcement of a 4k-restored SE - and nothing more - would be met with a big huge “who cares?”

towne32 said:

So there is not currently an SE Jedi listing on Amazon digital? Meaning, this is indeed a mistaken mislabeling of the SE (and if you bought it, you would get the SE), but perhaps still indicative given that such information really has no business even being on Amazon’s servers?

edit: People are saying the run time listed is the theatrical one (2hr 14min). Isn’t that the SE time? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/technical

It is.

There’s something weird going on.

Yes, the soundtrack is unrelated. Sony’s rights to the music simply expired.

We keep obsessing over the o-neg and whether or not Disney/Lucasfilm would manage to screw up the restoration somehow.

If they hired someone like Robert A. Harris to supervise, it would alleviate many concerns. He also wouldn’t necessarily have to use the o-neg, at least not for every last shot in the movie.

Ronster said:

I’ll tell you the answer 4k HDR.

Well it’s a good educated guess the only reason to do a new scan is really to add the HDR. You need to scan it in HDR to get the benefit of HDR.

But there would not be much point in that unless they sort out contrast color issues also anyway.

Just saying It could be good, really good. If it’s done right. It could also look totally different from what you are used to.

It needed a new scan anyway because the old lowry master isn’t even 2k, and even then it had serious issues like wrong color-timing. But the resolution of 35mm is at least 4k, so even if the lowry master looked perfect it was still only 1080p in terms of resolution, so that’s reason enough for a newer scan right there.

The HDR is added later, after the film is scanned in. Movies have been scanned and mastered in 4k for many years, since long before HDR was even invented.

doubleofive said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

moviefreakedmind said:

doubleofive said:

Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:

@pablohidalgo said:

As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.

He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.

He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.

What exactly was the situation with that meeting?

Did it ever even happen?

I have no idea if it happened, I just know that the way he described it seemed like something that could have easily been misinterpreted as having little to do with Star Wars. It’s hard to say though.

It happened, and Disney said it wasn’t up to them and set a meeting with Fox.

Thank you for the first explanation I’ve read of what went down.

I just checked again on my phone. The mobile-optimized site doesn’t list running times but it does list the original release year for each movie.

RotJ still says “theatrical version” in parenthesis. Hopefully someone responds to your feedback, Wazzles.

nickyd47 said:

Go to Amazon and search Return of The Jedi. This is what I saw…

We had all this discussion and I forgot to ask, how exactly did you stumble upon this?

DominicCobb said:

Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

doubleofive said:

Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:

@pablohidalgo said:

As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.

He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.

I don’t think the assumption that this refers to to Lucas is accurate.

I wonder then who the “he” in Pablo’s tweet is referring to.

Probably someone in charge of home video distribution?

Could he be referring to Horn or Iger?

Sorry, double post.

DominicCobb said:

doubleofive said:

Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:

@pablohidalgo said:

As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.

He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.

I don’t think the assumption that this refers to to Lucas is accurate.

I wonder then who the “he” in Pablo’s tweet is referring to.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m super suspicious of this.

And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.

Then again, if it was only digital then Disney would get 100% of the profit on Empire and Jedi.

Yeah, 100% of the substantially smaller profits.

True, and it would piss off a lot of people to release such a long-sought-after item as a digital-only release.