I wonder how long TFA and RotS have said “theatrical version” on their amazon streaming links.
The demographic buying UHD Blu-rays are film enthusiasts first-and-foremost, at least at this point in its lifecycle, and most likely upwards of 30 years of age given how the average cost of a single UHD Blu-ray is around $40, so folks who grew up with the OOT. I don’t think a 4k SE would be met with much enthusiasm at this point. At least this is my assumption.
That also.
A UHD release of the SE would only be of interest to 4K enthusiasts. They would buy it hand over fist knowing it still doesn’t have the original versions, and then only for purposes of seeing what it looked like on their 4k tv.
A UHD release of the unaltereds, on the other hand, would actually help move 4k hardware.
An announcement of a 4k-restored SE - and nothing more - would be met with a big huge “who cares?”
By us, sure. But I assume there are 4k enthusiasts out there who don’t care about the OOT.
Yes, but the people buying and watching in 4k only make up a small percentage right now. I’m future-proofing my bd purchases, but none of my hardware is 4k yet.
When George casually mentioned at the 2010 convention that the blu-rays were hitting the next year it was met with a huge response from the audience because we were already four years into that format. We just crossed the one year mark for UHD this week.
This “surprise” they’re teasing for the Celebration Orlando panel is either the announcement of a restored OOT or something entirely unrelated to a re-release of the movies, SE or otherwise.
An announcement of a 4k-restored SE - and nothing more - would be met with a big huge “who cares?”
So there is not currently an SE Jedi listing on Amazon digital? Meaning, this is indeed a mistaken mislabeling of the SE (and if you bought it, you would get the SE), but perhaps still indicative given that such information really has no business even being on Amazon’s servers?
edit: People are saying the run time listed is the theatrical one (2hr 14min). Isn’t that the SE time? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/technical
It is.
There’s something weird going on.
Yes, the soundtrack is unrelated. Sony’s rights to the music simply expired.
We keep obsessing over the o-neg and whether or not Disney/Lucasfilm would manage to screw up the restoration somehow.
If they hired someone like Robert A. Harris to supervise, it would alleviate many concerns. He also wouldn’t necessarily have to use the o-neg, at least not for every last shot in the movie.
I’ll tell you the answer 4k HDR.
Well it’s a good educated guess the only reason to do a new scan is really to add the HDR. You need to scan it in HDR to get the benefit of HDR.
But there would not be much point in that unless they sort out contrast color issues also anyway.
Just saying It could be good, really good. If it’s done right. It could also look totally different from what you are used to.
It needed a new scan anyway because the old lowry master isn’t even 2k, and even then it had serious issues like wrong color-timing. But the resolution of 35mm is at least 4k, so even if the lowry master looked perfect it was still only 1080p in terms of resolution, so that’s reason enough for a newer scan right there.
The HDR is added later, after the film is scanned in. Movies have been scanned and mastered in 4k for many years, since long before HDR was even invented.
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
What exactly was the situation with that meeting?
Did it ever even happen?
I have no idea if it happened, I just know that the way he described it seemed like something that could have easily been misinterpreted as having little to do with Star Wars. It’s hard to say though.
It happened, and Disney said it wasn’t up to them and set a meeting with Fox.
Thank you for the first explanation I’ve read of what went down.
I just checked again on my phone. The mobile-optimized site doesn’t list running times but it does list the original release year for each movie.
RotJ still says “theatrical version” in parenthesis. Hopefully someone responds to your feedback, Wazzles.
Go to Amazon and search Return of The Jedi. This is what I saw…
We had all this discussion and I forgot to ask, how exactly did you stumble upon this?
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
I don’t think the assumption that this refers to to Lucas is accurate.
I wonder then who the “he” in Pablo’s tweet is referring to.
Probably someone in charge of home video distribution?
Could he be referring to Horn or Iger?
Sorry, double post.
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
I don’t think the assumption that this refers to to Lucas is accurate.
I wonder then who the “he” in Pablo’s tweet is referring to.
I’m super suspicious of this.
And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.
Then again, if it was only digital then Disney would get 100% of the profit on Empire and Jedi.
Yeah, 100% of the substantially smaller profits.
True, and it would piss off a lot of people to release such a long-sought-after item as a digital-only release.
I’m super suspicious of this.
And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.
Then again, if it was only digital then Disney would get 100% of the profit on Empire and Jedi.
Disney will most likely say nothing until Celebration, assuming they’re even planning an announcement at all.
The language in their description of the Celebration Orlando panel about “a few surprises” could literally mean anything. It might not have anything to do with a new release of the movies.
Trying not to get my hopes up, but it would be nice if they at least gave us some kind of official statement on the matter.
I’m super suspicious of this.
And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.
If this turns out to be true, what’s weird is that the lid keeps getting blown off in the weirdest of ways.
First there was RMW’s blurb on their website about how they’d done a 4k 16-bit restoration of the OT (yeah, no big deal or anything), which spawned the 4k thread, and now we find out (if it’s true) about the unaltered versions coming out because someone/something changed the title of the amazon download page?
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
What exactly was the situation with that meeting?
Did it ever even happen?
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
Very good point.
All this time I’ve been pointing to John Landis’ story about what George said and yet I completely forgot about Mike Verta’s meeting with Lucasfilm.
I mean, I’m not getting any hopes up, but it does seem like such an oddly specific mistake to make (and an update to the listing, at that). So who knows.
Any chance it might just end up being a streaming GOUT?
That’s what I was wondering.
This reminds me of how people got all excited to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture’s director’s cut up on one of the streaming/download sites only to find out it was simply the dvd master. Same thing happened with Undiscovered Country IIRC.
I doubt that they would just slap the GOUT transfer on Amazon because it would be very low quality. In Lucas’s mind, the low quality was justified because it was an oddity on a bonus disc, but as a product being sold specifically, it wouldn’t cut it. The whole reason there’s a demand for the OOT is because the GOUT was so subpar.
Very true.
In the examples of the Star Trek: TMP and TUC director’s cuts, those were at least from 16:9 480p masters, unlike the GOUT.
Since the SE got a theatrical release, this could be technically accurate if they actually changed the video to the '97 version, which I’m sure they haven’t done.
Even the 2011 versions have been shown in theaters, but the download version of Jedi hasn’t. They removed the Fox fanfare from Empire, Jedi and the prequels for the digital and broadcast versions.
Granted, that’s the only difference and maybe I’m splitting hairs, but it’s still enough to make me wonder why the hell it would say “theatrical version.”
Im saying that makes it unlikely the algorithm mistook the digital version for the GOUT, as they say “Theatrical version” as opposed to “limited”
If it’s an innocent mistake and not a leak, then it might have to do with TFA being labelled as theatrical, which is also a bit of a mystery, but one I’m admittedly uninterested in.
Well it’s funny because there’s only one version of TFA, the theatrical one.
Also, RotS is the least altered prequel on video, essentially unaltered on blu-ray from its theatrical version.
So it’s very curious that those are the only other ones to now given “theatrical version” designation.
I mean, I’m not getting any hopes up, but it does seem like such an oddly specific mistake to make (and an update to the listing, at that). So who knows.
Any chance it might just end up being a streaming GOUT?
That’s what I was wondering.
This reminds me of how people got all excited to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture’s director’s cut up on one of the streaming/download sites only to find out it was simply the dvd master. Same thing happened with Undiscovered Country IIRC.
Right. But at some point a human must’ve put in that this would be relased, no? And the computer decided when/where to list it.
Probably, that’s my assumption. Keep in mind, and I hate to be a downer, that this very well could be a mistake. Just a mistake, not a leak, not a premature labeling of the product, but a freak accident that is no indication of any release of the theatrical version of Jedi. I don’t think that’s the case, but let’s not rule that out.
What could’ve caused it? Did their algorithm get it mixed up with the GOUT?
