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#1192090
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

per a suggestion on the blu-ray.com forums, I turned off 24p output on the BD player. Now it works.

That you have to turn that off is ridiculous in the first place. They probably instituted some new copy protection scheme that isn’t compatible with older players.

Probably. But what doesn’t make sense to me is that 24p settings have anything to do with copy protection schemes.

It kinda/sorta makes sense.

I had the exact same problem on my sony S5200 player as well. I picked up the 4k combo thursday morning at best buy on my way into work. I don’t have any 4k gear, but I’ve been future-proofing the physical media purchases whenever possible. In any event, that part is irrelevant since this issue has also been affecting people who only bought the regular blu. It’s the exact same bd whether it comes with a dvd or a uhd.

Anyway, finally got home late that night, unwrapped the plastic, threw the blu-ray into the player, saw what I assumed to be the background for the language select screen Disney always loves showing us first on all their titles and … the languages didn’t appear. Worse, my player completely locked up and I had to unplug the power just so I could start over. It randomly worked the second time, and I watched the movie all the way through (my first viewing since catching a 12:45 AM screening at the Uptown here in DC back on that first Thursday night in December!) before starting the audio commentary and getting a few scenes in before passing out. When I tried it again the next day it froze up again forcing me to unplug the power, and kept doing so even after nearly a dozen attempts. I have no idea why it randomly worked the second time the night before.

I tried messing with some of the player’s other settings. It should go without saying I made sure the firmware was up to date. I swear this is the very first disc I’ve had any problems with since getting the player three years ago. Finally I tried turning off 24p as suggested on the blu-ray.com forums, and the disc loaded successfully.

My theory?

This new breed of DRM that Disney put on the disc is finding something suspicious about the hardware chain in the player and thinks something on the other end of the hdmi connection might be trying to capture the native 24p signal coming off the disc. That’s why switching to 60p gets the disc working, because the DRM doesn’t care as much (I guess?) about the hdmi signal being captured on the other end if it’s had 3:2 pulldown applied to it and is no longer the pure 24p source itself.

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#1185954
Topic
Rogue One UAR: anyone interested?
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CourtlyHades296 said:

Fang Zei said:

^…^ said:

HDTV

That’s what I thought.

I’m guessing we’re seeing more vertical info in the 1.78:1 hdtv version because the blu-ray was probably cropped on all four sides (in order to keep the aspect ratio at 2.40:1 without resizing/scaling the pixels down to 3840:1600 / 1920:800 from 4096:1706 / 2048:853) whereas the hdtv version simply crops off the sides to get the picture from 4096:1706 / 2048:853 to 3036:1706 / 1518:853. Hence we’re getting the full vertical information in the 1.78:1 version.

Has anyone done a similar comparison between the blu-ray and hdtv versions of TFA aside from the imax scene?

Force Awakens was filmed in anamorphic Panavision, thus the HDTV is pure pan and scan.

That’s a separate issue from what I was talking about.

Even if a movie is native 2.40:1, the 4,096/2,048 width cinema master either needs its pixels resized (which results in scaling artifacts) or needs to be evenly cropped on all four sides (so that the aspect ratio stays the same) in order to match the pixels 1:1 to the 3,840/1,920 width tv master.

But if they don’t need to worry about preserving the theatrical AR and simply want to fill out the 16:9 tv frame, well, then they only need to crop information off the sides and not the top and bottom.

Again, I’d love for someone to check the non-imax scenes of TFA’s hd broadcast to see if we’re getting just a little more vertical information from the original source.

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#1184737
Topic
Rogue One UAR: anyone interested?
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^…^ said:

HDTV

That’s what I thought.

I’m guessing we’re seeing more vertical info in the 1.78:1 hdtv version because the blu-ray was probably cropped on all four sides (in order to keep the aspect ratio at 2.40:1 without resizing/scaling the pixels down to 3840:1600 / 1920:800 from 4096:1706 / 2048:853) whereas the hdtv version simply crops off the sides to get the picture from 4096:1706 / 2048:853 to 3036:1706 / 1518:853. Hence we’re getting the full vertical information in the 1.78:1 version.

Has anyone done a similar comparison between the blu-ray and hdtv versions of TFA aside from the imax scene?

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#1175737
Topic
Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD !!!MKV and AVCHD v2.0 NOW AVAILABLE!!!
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Will 3.0 use 35mm scans for the vfx shots that were re-comp’d in the SE or is there too much of a discrepancy in quality from the blu-ray?

I’ve still never acquired a fan project simply out of my desire never to purchase the official blu-rays in order to watch one,* but once this 1080p version happens I might just need to get the saga on the cheap and spend the rest on three dual-layered dvd-r’s and/or a nice big usb stick.

*Between the Disney/Fox deal and everything else going on with the franchise these days, I’ve just been patiently waiting for it to happen for real. I mean, for crying out loud, they’re using clips from despecialized in EW videos now!

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#1171098
Topic
Which has more CGI: Phantom Menace or Force Awakens
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John Knoll broke it down in an interview with Slashfilm last year when asked how many vfx shots were in Rogue One:

“It’s about 1,700. The original A New Hope was about 360. Empire Strikes Back was about 700. Return of the Jedi was about 900 or 950. Episode I was 1,900-something, 1950, I think. Episode II was 2,200. Episode III was 2,400. Episode VII was, I think just under 2,000. So we’re kind of in the middle.”

http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-john-knoll-interview/

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#1171084
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We have X in HD, but we still don't have Star Wars
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SilverWook said:

L.P. Hovercraft said:

We do have Carnival Magic on Blu-ray, but we still don’t have Star Wars '77!

CMPost

I barely survived the MST3K version! And how the hell did that thing get a G rating? There’s an attempted vivesection scene for pete’s sake!

The MPAA ratings for many older films are baffling to me.

2001: A Space Odyssey got a G rating, as did Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The audio remix done for the TMP director’s edition actually bumped it up to a PG, if you could believe it.

Also, I remember reading once that Star Wars ‘77 was actually going to get a G rating but George himself requested it be PG.

The single most confusing rating of all time in my book has got to be Spaceballs getting a PG in 1987, three years after the pg-13 was introduced.

While we’re on the subject, the most well-known Star Wars parody has a decent-looking blu-ray transfer and Star Wars doesn’t.

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#1169809
Topic
Which trailers accompanied the movies?
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TPM had trailers for American Pie and Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, both of which mentioned Star Wars. Fox put together a “sizzle reel” of three short trailers for Anna and the King, Fight Club, and Titan AE. There was a news story several days earlier IIRC that Lucasfilm had actually demanded the total runtime of trailers in front of TPM not exceed ten minutes or so (maybe it was more like 15 minutes, can’t remember now, it was almost 19 years ago).

The trailer for Like Mike played in front of my opening day screening of AotC. I only remember that because a friend joked as we were leaving the theater during the end credits that AotC had no chance of beating its box office.

The first teaser for the Matrix sequels was also in front of AotC. I had just seen the official upload online the night before in what must’ve been tiny quicktime, but I remember my friend sitting next to me going “Zion!” when they showed that wide shot of all the people assembled in the cave.

I can’t for the life of me remember what played in front of RotS. If I had to guess, I’d say Batman Begins and Fantastic Four were probably among them.

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#1159695
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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The documentary Side by Side covers this whole topic pretty well. It’s basically about how digital technology has changed every aspect of the film industry over the last several decades. Lucas and David Tattersall are both interviewed, among many others.

Tattersall makes an interesting analogy regarding the criticism at the time that they were taking a giant step backwards quality-wise by choosing to shoot Ep2 in digital:

“You’ve got to lean back in order to spring forward.”

It does bother me that AotC and RotS will never have the same unified look as TPM, the OT and now the ST, but it was George’s money being spent on the PT and he didn’t want several million dollars going just towards scanning in all of the 35mm footage on the last two prequels like he had to do with TPM.

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#1159674
Topic
How Many Versions are there of the AOTC
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There were 4 different versions of the movie in 2002 alone:

The digital cinema version that played in a hundred or so theaters in the U.S. had Anakin and Padme holding hands at the end whereas the 35mm version simply had Anakin’s metal hand hanging there in that shot.

The Imax version released later that year in November is about twenty minutes shorter since this was still the very earliest days of full-length Hollywood movies being released in 15/70 and the projector platters could only hold 120 minutes worth of film.

Apollo 13 was the first to get the Imax DMR treatment earlier that year and was also shortened. AotC was the second IIRC.

The platter problem was rectified soon after since the Matrix sequels released the very next year were not shortened for Imax.

The current limit is apparently 167 minutes, so there’s a reason the theatrical versions of Watchmen, Avatar, and the only version of Dark Knight Rises all happen to fit just within that running time. Interstellar just barely fit and apparently used a slide-show version of the end credits to shave off three minutes without removing anything from the actual movie.

Anyway, this brings us finally to the dvd/vhs version which was released within only a week or so of the Imax version (which never made any sense to me from a business perspective but then again this is the same Lucasfilm that decided to release TPM 3D in theaters several months after the blu-ray).

The main change made for the dvd/vhs (yes, they’re identical outside of obvious differences like framing) was the extended scene of Anakin’s confession to Padme about the Tusken slaughter. In the theatrical versions, it wipes to the next scene before Padme’s “to be flawed is to be human” (or whatever she says) and Anakin’s “I’m a Jedi, I know I’m better than this.” Btw, the audio of Anakin saying “I’m a Jedi” was used in that web-exclusive teaser-teaser trailer in October/November of ‘01, so it was a nice surprise when it showed up in the movie a year later.

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#1146528
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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nickyd47 said:

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

If the pattern is to be followed, we’re due for another Star Wars box set this 2018. Since 1990, every 7 years a new Star Wars box set gets released. Make my day Disney

They’re going to have to steer clear of the home release windows for TLJ and Solo so as not to compete with themselves, which leaves two (possibly three) choices within the next couple years:

They actually cut the prices of the other Star Wars Blu-Rays when Force Awakens and Rogue One hit home video. I’m sure people would by 4K prequel and 4K OT sets with their copy of The Last Jedi

The other blu-rays had been out for nearly half a decade by that point. They slashed the price to move a few more units since they knew people would be vulnerable to suggestion while buying the new movies.

I just don’t get the whole competition thing you mentioned. If I see a movie that I love being sold at a higher price than I movie I find to be ok/mediocre, I’m gonna buy the movie I enjoy more even if it costs way more than the other title

I didn’t fully grasp what you were saying earlier until now. You make a good point.

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#1146137
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Theatrical blu rays
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Wazzles said:

Ryan said:

Wazzles said:

Ryan said:

Wazzles said:

Ryan said:

Wazzles said:

The original negative is conformed to the Special Edition, which was not fully digitized until the DVD master was made. However, Lucasfilm likely stored the pieces of the negative they removed, and they have recently been archiving every single piece of film and audio they have. So in a sense, the original negative has been digitized, but it’s not assembled or restored.

Do you know what resolution the negatives were digitized in? i.e. 1080P?

Really hope Lucasfilm has digitized all their OT recordings in the highest quality available. Things like music and sound effects, etc.

The stuff they’ve been archiving recently is most likely 4k, but who knows.

The thing I’m worried about is the original negative of the OT. Lucas said it was in terrible shape back in the early 90’s, i.e. fragile and pink colors, etc. So, I’m just wondering how they’d do a 4K scan on it 25 year later?

I still hope they at least try to do a 4K scan of all of the original pieces of the negative for the OT soon. I do believe they’d said that 4K scan they did recently was of the special edition. Whatever that means. Hopefully more comes out on that. As I know we all were hoping that 4K scan was of the pre-special edition stuff.

The negatives were restored to a degree before the special edition work began, so it should be in okay shape.

Do you know if that “restored” meant they were able to stop the film color fade? It’s my understanding the film stock Lucas used during that time period ended up being poor film stock. And thus the deterioration and bad color fade happened. Which is why the negative looked pink and thus resulted in extensive recoloring and things that people complain about.

At least in the case of the portions that were used for the special edition, yeah. Nobody outside of Lucasfilm has seen the pieces that were removed, but those are supposedly in horrendous condition.

This is why the most reliable way to restore the OUT may be to simply go to the separation masters. Scanning them in and recombining them won’t have quite the same level of detail as the o-neg, but it would still be “close enough” in my book.

The o-neg, meanwhile, appears to also have been in good enough shape for George to re-scan it nearly a decade after the Lowry job. Granted, he only needed it to look the way he wanted.

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#1145937
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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nickyd47 said:

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

If the pattern is to be followed, we’re due for another Star Wars box set this 2018. Since 1990, every 7 years a new Star Wars box set gets released. Make my day Disney

They’re going to have to steer clear of the home release windows for TLJ and Solo so as not to compete with themselves, which leaves two (possibly three) choices within the next couple years:

They actually cut the prices of the other Star Wars Blu-Rays when Force Awakens and Rogue One hit home video. I’m sure people would by 4K prequel and 4K OT sets with their copy of The Last Jedi

The other blu-rays had been out for nearly half a decade by that point. They slashed the price to move a few more units since they knew people would be vulnerable to suggestion while buying the new movies.

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#1145538
Topic
Theatrical blu rays
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Ryan said:

Wazzles said:

The original negative is conformed to the Special Edition, which was not fully digitized until the DVD master was made. However, Lucasfilm likely stored the pieces of the negative they removed, and they have recently been archiving every single piece of film and audio they have. So in a sense, the original negative has been digitized, but it’s not assembled or restored.

Do you know what resolution the negatives were digitized in? i.e. 1080P?

Really hope Lucasfilm has digitized all their OT recordings in the highest quality available. Things like music and sound effects, etc.

The 2004 Lowry master that was made for the dvd release (and re-used with some additional alterations for the 2011 blu-ray) was done at 1080p.

However, we know that there was a fresh 4k scan/master that was done by Reliance Media Works and completed in 2014. Gareth Edwards and John Knoll actually watched the 4k master of ANH before heading into pre-production on Rogue One.

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#1145425
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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nickyd47 said:

If the pattern is to be followed, we’re due for another Star Wars box set this 2018. Since 1990, every 7 years a new Star Wars box set gets released. Make my day Disney

They’re going to have to steer clear of the home release windows for TLJ and Solo so as not to compete with themselves, which leaves two (possibly three) choices within the next couple years:

They could put it out at the end of next year, like Nov/Dec time, since Solo will probably hit video in Sept/Oct.

Spring of ‘19, like March or April, is another possibility. There won’t be a new movie hitting home video around that time, and it would sort of be like how the OT dvd hit shelves roughly eight months before “the last Star Wars saga movie ever.”

They could wait until September 2019, closer to Ep9’s theatrical release, but I’m assuming there will be yet another “Force Friday” merchandising blitz that same month and they’d probably want to save it for another time.

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#1144973
Topic
When do you think the first six movies will get a 4k release?
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I’d really love a definitive answer on what exact resolution the VFX/DI for AotC and RotS were done at.

We know they were shot at 1920:817 (cropped down from the 1920:1080 of the 16:9 sensor), but it’s not 100% clear what happened next.

2k scope is like 2048:856, so I suppose it’s possible that the live-action footage was upscaled very slightly and then the cgi and final color timing was done natively at that resolution.

But I suppose it’s also possible ILM actually worked at 1920:817, matching the live-action material pixel for pixel.

So, yeah, it would be nice to get clarification on this. But I’m not sure who would even be the person to ask.

The Lowry “restoration” of the OT done for the dvd in 2004 (and reused, with some tweaks, for the blu-ray) was only done at 1920:1080 (actually 1920:817 since it’s scope), not 2k, and there’ve been actual dcp’s made from them. On the other hand, George clearly didn’t consider it the finished master of the OT since he eventually commissioned the RMW 4k job.

The vfx (and eventual rebuild) of TPM would’ve almost certainly been true 2k scope (2048:856) since it was already the late 90’s and TPM was shot on film with a very large budget.

It’s worth noting that many of the releases on the new 4k format have been 2k upscales, even many of the 4k releases of movies made within the last couple years. There’s also been at least one live-action movie released on 4k that was shot at 1080p just like AotC/RotS (Resident Evil: Afterlife).