They’ve already announced dates for three untitled Star Wars movies in 2022, 2024 and 2026, all in December. Maybe Rian’s trilogy could take the summers?
Broom Kid said:
I think it’s because the episode numbers becoming a prominent part of the marketing and labeling really only happened for the prequels. Before (and after) that point, the focus was less on the episode number (which we know was mostly a gimmick) and more on the title itself.
I’m curious as to whether Empire of Dreams has at least been upscaled. I remember hearing they were working on making as much of that HD as possible, so when it appeared on Amazon Prime I checked it out and it seems to be a straight DVD rip.
Also interesting to get confirmation that the files being used for Star Wars are the digital masters, complete with that weirdly cut-up fanfare over the Lucasfilm logo and the 20th Century Fox logo only appearing on Star Wars. I wonder if they’re only using those for this test, or if that’s going to be what’s rolled out for the rest of us in November. I was pretty curious as to whether they were going to reinstate the logos for the entire OT/PT, or cut them all off entirely. But if this holds through for official launch, it’ll basically just be blu-ray rips.
For the OT it was the titles themselves, for the PT it was the episode numbers, and for the ST they clearly wanted you to care most about the fact that it was STAR WARS.
Yeah, I’m also curious if these will still be the old OT masters once the service goes live or if that’s only for the test. It’s especially curious that they’d be recycling them yet again when Rogue One is being made available for streaming in 4k.
I’ll be honest, the whole idea of Luke using (or at least appearing to be using) Anakin’s lightsaber as a symbolic turnaround from him throwing it over his shoulder at the beginning of the movie never even occurred to me until now. Even though it’s all an illusion, I was always puzzled by why he wasn’t using his green saber from RotJ. Other than the flashback, do we ever see it at all, even if it’s just lying around somewhere in his hut on Ahch-to?
Did he still have it on his belt in that final shot of the first flashback where he’s kneeling next to Artoo watching the training temple burn?
Since Kylo Ren saw Anakin’s saber get broken in half, wouldn’t that have been a dead giveaway? It makes a little more sense that he doesn’t immediately figure out what’s going on if we assume that Luke’s green saber got destroyed on the unnamed (unless it’s in one of those DK books or something) training temple planet and thus a rebuilt Anakin saber makes a little more sense. But still, that’s a pretty short turnaround time.
Seeing that The Black Hole finally got a Blu-Ray release last month exclusively through the Disney Movie Club, I wonder if they might take this route with the OUT?
I’ve seen that idea brought up elsewhere, but if that rumor from April is true (that each film will have four discs when it hits UHD next year) then I don’t see how one of those discs wouldn’t be the unaltered version.
The idea that they’d put the OUT out there via DMC implies that Disney doesn’t want to force people to buy versions of the movie they don’t want. I really think we’ve got it backwards. The OOT doesn’t need the SE to sell in bigger numbers, the SE needs the OOT. A lot more people are aware of how many times these films have been revised now than in 2004. That initial dvd release sold like crazy, but I’ve heard multiple people tell me they were shocked to get to the end and see Hayden as Anakin.
A significant percentage of the fans would prefer to watch the original versions, and a not insignificant percentage would probably even prefer the 1997 versions (updated vfx but no replaced actors).
Here’s hoping the rumours about a Blu Ray release in September contains the OUT. Also hoping D+ Has it.
There’s pretty much no chance Disney+ would have the OUT. In fact, since I-VI will be up on the service “within the first year,” that’s all the more reason for Disney to include the OUT in the physical 4k ultra hd releases next year and make it exclusive to the physical release. It would give people one more reason to buy them instead of simply waiting for them to go up on the streaming service.
Disney has said the service will have 4k HDR content “where applicable,” although I don’t think they’ve said anything yet about just when exactly I-VI will be available to stream, at all, at any resolution.
It would be a little weird if the new master ended up making its first appearance in the form of a stream. For one thing, Disney would be undercutting their own sales of a physical UHD release if they were to do that.
This “special look” wasn’t made to go out to theaters anyway, and probably can’t be streamed on youtube in anything higher than 1080 (although please correct me if I’m wrong), so the OT footage coming from a higher res source wouldn’t have made any noticeable difference, hence why they went with the off-the-shelf blu-rays.
It’s worth noting that the first teaser trailer for RotS back in late ‘04 used the then only recently finished Lowry master for its two or three ANH shots and in fact used the alternate camera angle (the close-up of Alec Guinness) for Obi-Wan’s “for over a thousand generations” line. In the actual movie we don’t cut to his close-up until the “before the dark times” part IIRC. I don’t know if that alternate angle was also the OCN or if they used another source, but presumably LFL had it restored just for that teaser.
Similarly, the first trailer for Crystal Skull used footage from the Indy trilogy. I don’t know if it was from the ‘03 Lowry masters or the 2008 remasters (the ones that were broadcast on WoWoW and which were used, with a different color grade, for the eventual blu-rays of Temple and Crusade).
It would be cool if they did something similar for the final trailer in October. The teaser trailer from April went out to theaters as an actual 4k file, so if they were going to use OT footage I feel like they’d want it to look as good as possible.
Yeah, think I’ll bow out of this thread now just to be safe. It’s going to be a long (almost) four months.
I feel like the inevitable final trailer in (probably) October will tide me over, and in the meantime there’s been just enough info put out there to keep me guessing how this all will end.
It’s also worth noting that we’d already gotten, off the top of my head, at least fifteen Marvel-based films in the span of nine years before the MCU even came along.
We will have gotten as many big-budget Star Wars films in the span of only four years as we got in the franchise’s first twenty-five.
The 4k UHD artwork for TLJ and Solo pretty much matched their respective poster art IIRC, so unless Disney reissues those with different artwork to match whatever they do with the covers of the other films (as they have for next month’s bd releases) then it would make sense to go with the theatrical poster art for I-VI and TFA and RO when they eventually hit 4k.
I also think there’s a chance they might just commission new artwork yet again for those other eight movies so that they’ll better match the 4k artwork for TLJ and Solo and whatever they end up doing for TRoS.
I’m very keen to know whether they use the new master for this or the existing 2004 master.
Even if they used the new master that is the SE versions of the OT I would be very happy with higher quality versions with improved colour timings.
The only thing making me think it might be the new master is that they’re all being released by Disney this time.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if all they did was slap new art on the top side of the disc and everything on the data side is exactly same.
Bill Hunt has weighed in over at The Digital Bits. He’s convinced I-VI (and Rogue One and TFA) are hitting 4k next year, probably early in the year to coincide with IX’s home video release.
Here are his thoughts regarding the possibility of an unaltered restoration:
“Now, before you all start bombarding me with questions like, “Are they going to include the original theatrical versions?!” take a deep breath, folks. I don’t know. None of this is official yet. And if I were you, I would assume not so you don’t start getting your hopes up. I’ve seen a bit of speculation online to suggest that there are plans to include the theatrical cuts of the original three films in 4K, but history suggests you should treat this with a grain of salt.
That said, it’s certainly possible. Lucasfilm DID allow the Academy to show a rare 70 mm print of the original version of Star Wars (1977) back in June… and even a week before that was announced it would have seemed inconceivable. So it’s possible there’s been a softening by George Lucas and that Disney does have plans to include those versions in any 4K release. I’ve said MANY times here at The Bits in recent years that – at some point – Disney would absolutely release those versions. The studio simply knows too well how badly fans want them and how much money they could make by including them. Could it happen with a 4K release next year? I don’t know and I think it would be safer to assume not and allow ourselves to be surprised.”
If they release a restored unaltered Original Trilogy, they can put it in a homeless guy’s sock and I’d buy it.
My feelings pretty much exactly, and this artwork isn’t even all that bad as covers go. The individual cases from the 2004 set and the GOUT also looked rather terrible.
The inclusion of a digital copy and use of cheaper non-steelbook packaging for I-VI and design uniformity across all ten films seems to be the only reasons Disney is doing this now that their buyout of Fox is complete. I wonder if the extras discs for the four most recent movies will be included.
Since we’re only just now hearing about this with very little notice, I’m not getting my hopes up that it’s anything more than maybe a remastered blu-ray from the newer 4k transfer. The GOUT was also a September release and we knew about it four whole months ahead of time, so I think we would’ve heard something long ago if this was anything significant.
Will this be the first time I-VI have been reissued since the steelbooks in 2015?
If this really is just regular 1080p blu-ray again and there’s no day-and-date UHD planned, I suppose it’s possible they might at the very least finally retire the 2004 master and use the newer 4k master for this release.
I suppose it’s also possible they could include the original versions for that price point, but that could simply be the addition of a digital copy this time around or some fancy packaging (or both).
I think it was cropped bc they figured the TBS version would be fine and they didnt double check.
Turner (TNT, TBS, TCM et al) currently has the tv broadcast rights to I-VI. If Disney had wanted to, they could have provided tcm with a better master, at the very least one that was 2.35:1 throughout the movie, but they didn’t bother.
Maybe Disney wants Turner to be stuck with an inferior copy of the movie (a cropped-to-1.78:1 transfer of the 2011 master) so they can show off their own new 4k master on Disney+.
… on a side note, right after Star Wars they showed Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. The print they used seemed to be unique to TCM. It wasn’t blue like the original blu-ray. And it wasn’t bland/dark like the later Director’s Cut blu-ray. It was quite nicely color balanced (leaning more to a warm earthy amber color) … they must’ve had that archived from way back somewhere. But at least CNN used some original Star Wars clips for their broadcast, which was super cool.
I was also noticing this as I watched the first few minutes the other night. I happened to find a screenshot comparison and there was in fact another hdtv broadcast that predates the 2009 blu-ray, with a red push and warm earthy colors, so that must’ve been what they were showing.
Worth repeating here I suppose
It’s also worth re-emphasizing that TCM was using the exact same tv broadcast master as their sibling networks TNT and TBS (they altered it further for their own purposes with commercial breaks and whatnot, but otherwise it’s the 2011 master cropped to 16:9 except for the opening and closing shots/credits, just like they show it).
Let’s be honest, though. They were never going to debut a restoration of the unaltered ‘77 Star Wars in the form of a tv broadcast anyone could just dvr.
Apparently they’ve promised 4k HDR content “where applicable.”
I wonder if this will be the long-awaited debut of the OT’s 4k master we’ve been hearing about for five years now.
My only question is whether or not the unaltered cuts will surface. Anything else is neither here nor there for me.
The “4-discs per film for the UHD, 3-discs for the blu-ray” rumor is the only shred of hope regarding an official unaltered remaster, which doesn’t even guarantee that the unaltered version would be an actual UHD disc in the UHD edition. It might turn out that the 4-disc UHD is simply the same regular blu-rays from the 3-disc edition plus the most recent version on UHD as the 4th disc.
It would only make sense for TFA and RO to hit UHD this year, not only so that fans who’ve upgraded their hardware can at least marathon the first two installments of the ST in the highest quality possible ahead of IX’s theatrical release, but also because Disney’s had all the time in the world to do HDR passes and get them ready for UHD without the legal barriers that kept them from releasing I-VI on physical media until just this year.
Of course, that doesn’t mean Lucasfilm hasn’t been working on I-VI on their own, regardless of who the distributor was. In fact, we know they have been. It’s the whole reason this thread was started in the first place.
Yeah, although I did appreciate the TCM host mentioning in her intro how Universal, United Artists and Disney all passed on the script and that “their lack of faith was disturbing.”
It’s basically the exact same broadcast master TNT/TBS has been using (the 2011 version with everything after the opening shot cropped to 16:9).