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#1274575
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Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
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Mocata said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

If it weren’t for our anger at the burying of the OUT, would anyone here care about completionism with the prequels? There are probably tons of movies with tiny little changes like this on home media that no consumer ever noticed.

I think if it was an all-in-one set or nothing just to own a restored OOT most people would be happy to buy it but never watch the prequels.

As for the other movies you mention, at least when a director’s cut exists it is advertised as such. They don’t pretend nothing happened and expect everyone to believe changes made decades later were always the same. Only something like Amadeus is only available in one format (the longer version) but at least it’s always labelled correctly.

From time to time I have to remind myself of that quote from that guy from Wired magazine from the week the GOUT hit shelves:

“They’re not going to make the fans happy because the happy fan has everything he or she needs.”

They made everyone who wanted the OT deleted scenes buy the expensive complete saga blu-ray set just to get them. Why give each OT film its own multi-version 4k package when they can just make the OOT exclusive to the I-IX box?

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#1274489
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Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
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DominicCobb said:

It doesn’t really make sense for them not to release the OOT (but then again here we are without anything), but I personally would be a little surprised if they put out the theatrical PT. TPM maybe, as it’s the only one with obvious changes. But I doubt we’re at a point anymore where studios care about home releases all that much to be that completionist.

And by the way, if we’re talking completionist, what about the 70mm ESB?

Oh, I fully accept that the theatrical version of TPM is little more than a historical trivium at this point. CPY is the only thing of note that’s been deleted from the movie. It’s still basically the same otherwise, and that also goes for the entirety of AotC (where we simply get a little more of the movie in the aforementioned Lars Homestead garage) and RotS.

It would be very easy, though, to simply include the other versions of the prequels via branching. Even the imax cut of AotC could be branched and included as an easter egg you have to enter a code to watch, just like that third version of T2.

Anyway, what’s so special about the 70mm ESB? Didn’t ANH also have picture and sound differences between the 35mm and 70mm versions?

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#1274483
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Celebration 2019 - Chicago; 11th to 15th April
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oojason said:

A fair few guests have been announced - https://www.starwarscelebration.com/Guests (though not sure how up to date that is).

I hadn’t realised the delectable Katee Sackhoff had been in Rebels & Clone Wars!

I had read somewhere - and can’t remember where - that Oscar Isaac may be appearing too.
 

Aye, I think that’s Chewie - who’s about to pull the arms off JJ 😉
 

I don’t think I’d realized that either re: Katee Sackhoff. Between Star Wars, BSG, and Riddick, she’s appeared in three of my favorite franchises/series.

Dune started filming this week in Budapest and Oscar Isaac was on one of the late night shows the other night sporting what I can only assume is his best Duke Leto beard. Unless he’s somehow shooting all his scenes within the next three weeks or they’ve scheduled him to start in the middle of April, he’ll need to fit a very long roundtrip plane ride to Chicago into his calendar if he wants to be at celebration.

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#1274479
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Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
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ChainsawAsh said:

I doubt we’ll ever get an official release of the 2005 ROTS. It’s just too close to identical to the BR release.

For AOTC, the 35mm version would be a possibility, as would the IMAX cut, but I doubt they’d make a distinction between the DLP and DVD/BR versions.

Then there’s the question of TPM and the OT’s “middle children” (2001 TPM with extended scenes and CPY; OT 97 and 2004), which are possible, too.

It’s more likely IMO that we’ll get the original theatrical cuts sans ROTS (77, 80, 83, 99, 02 [35mm]), and the “final” cuts of all of them alongside (2011 BR versions), with all the middle versions omitted. With the IMAX AOTC possibly thrown in for good measure.

Isn’t the wipe back in the RotS bd or am I remembering wrong? The dvd turned it into a cut, unless of course that cut was already present in the dlp version. The 35mm version definitely had the wipe. I also saw the dlp version of RotS but can’t say with any confidence whether it had a cut or a wipe, but I want to say it was still a wipe.

That little bit of info that came to light recently about the Kashyyyk rooftops is too trivial of a difference to me. It’s the same basic bear, Homer.

AotC now has like five different cuts. The 35mm and dlp cuts would’ve been virtually identical in terms of running time with the only notable difference being Anakin and Padme holding hands in that closeup shot at the end in the dlp version. The dvd extended Anakin’s confession to Padme in the Lars Homestead garage and the imax version edited the movie down to 120 minutes to fit within the maximum running time of the 15/70 film platters in 2002. Finally, the 2011 version re-arranges the order of certain shots in a couple scenes. I’m fine with losing the dlp and dvd cuts and just keeping the final version (with some proper color-grading this time) and the 35mm version (the digital filmout tapes could hopefully still be read after all these years as they were for TPM back in 2011) with the imax cut thrown in on a regular ‘ol bd (I wouldn’t even care if it was a tad compressed sharing disc space with other bonus features, I just want to finally see that version after all these years).

I don’t care about losing the ‘01 version of TPM. Just give me the oldest and newest versions of the prequels with proper color-timing. For each of the prequels, both versions could easily be branched onto the same disc. The OT films would need separate discs for the original versions.

Speaking of the OT, I don’t mind losing the ‘04 versions but I’ll be sad when they probably don’t go full Blade Runner and omit the ‘97. Would love to be surprised, though.

What I strongly suspect will happen are individual 4k UHD releases for I-VI, TFA, and RO by the end of the year. It would only make sense since they already put out TLJ and Solo on 4k day and date with their bd and dvd versions. Whether they end up being barebones 4k upgrades or actually finally give us what we want remains to be seen. I kinda strongly suspect even more that Disney will milk this thoroughly and wait until the end of 2020 if not 2021 (they gotta make sure everyone buys a copy of IX next Spring) to finally include a restored OOT in the great big $200 box set you’ll need to buy just to get it.

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#1274417
Topic
Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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darklordoftech said:

As for sound mixes, I’d love to hear the mono mix of ANH.

If Universal can include the original monomix of Jaws for its blu-ray release in 2012, Disney has zero excuse not to include the monomix of ANH in 2019.

What should the primary audio track be based on? If we’re going by the 35mm version for the picture, the audio should be from that version as well and not the 70mm, right?

There’s another thing to consider when it comes to the picture. Evidence suggests several vfx shots were revised at some point between the initial release on May 25th, 1977 and more prints being struck later that year. IIRC, the white dot ships zooming into space from Yavin IV and the Falcon drifting lazily to the left to evade the Star Destroyer are two such shots where differences have been spotted. My vote would be to preserve the earliest versions if they still exist.

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#1274335
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Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
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Part of me suspects Disney will put out TFA, RO, and I-VI on UHD in time for IX’s theatrical release. It seems weird that they would let these last nine months before the grand conclusion of the saga go by with only Solo and TLJ available on the highest quality format.

I’d like to think they would finally include the unaltered cuts of the OT at the very least, and who knows, maybe they finally will. As I’ve said many times, I just don’t see a 4k SE-only release selling anywhere near as many copies as one that included the unaltered version.

My vote would be just go all out and give each film the Blade Runner treatment. We heard several years ago that Lucasfilm was scanning in every last piece of film in the archives anyway. I’d love it if they threw in the ‘97 versions of the OT, the theatrical versions of the PT, and the Imax cut of AotC.

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#1274187
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Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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crissrudd4554 said:

DominicCobb said:

Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

There is a box set in the U.K. with the Final Cut on UHD and the other cuts on a regular Blu-ray. Not exactly the same but it’s something I guess and at least it’s region free.

I actually went ahead and bought the blu-ray a full year before I even had a player and a month before the format war with hddvd had even formally been declared over.

At the time, I remember thinking “all cuts of the film in hd? This is the last time I’ll ever need to buy a physical copy of this movie.”

To be honest, that’s still how I feel. I won’t be upgrading to 4k anytime soon, but even when that inevitably happens, I won’t be rebuying Blade Runner just to watch the Final Cut at its full res.

The modern equivalent of the GOUT would be putting out a 4k UHD final version that includes a 1080p HD unaltered cut. Blade Runner had that excuse in 2017 since the grand collection had been released a decade earlier and only the final cut was finished in 4k. Star Wars doesn’t have that excuse in 2019 since the grand collection is yet to happen. It should be as up-to-date and future-proofed as possible.

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#1274169
Topic
Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

But what if I want to watch a pan and scan version of ROTJ with Hayden but without Vader’s noooooooo. That’s the version I grew up with!

IMO, it’s the ‘97 version that takes priority over the ‘04 version/master (and the 2011 blu-ray edit thereof). To me the Blade Runner treatment for each of the OT films would be:

disc 1: final version
disc 2: ‘97 version
disc 3: original unaltered

The final version (from RMW’s 4k master) could very well end up being identical to the 2011 version anyway content-wise, which would make that version redundant. Then again, George could’ve done some additional tinkering before selling the company in 2012, and there’s nothing stopping Kathleen Kennedy from inviting him back to make his final changes now.

That leaves the 2004, which only really holds significance because it brought the OT slightly more in line with the PT (TPM Jabba in ANH, Ian as Emperor hologram in ESB, Hayden as ghost Anakin). I guess it also holds significance for being the version released on dvd, kinda like how the international version of Blade Runner was the one most widely available on home video back in the 80’s.

If they really wanted to, they could branch the ‘04 and ‘11 versions onto the ‘97 disc, but everything would need to conform to the same color timing. It all just seems more trouble than it’s worth, honestly.

Obviously the unaltered versions take priority over all of the other non-final versions, but if they were to go the extra mile and include the ‘97 but not the ‘04 or ‘11 I wouldn’t miss those versions one bit.

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#1274153
Topic
Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

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#1274138
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Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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SilverWook said:

I can’t imagine why. That sounds more like the pro-SE only crowd updating their arguments against the OOT to me. I’m sure they thought a release would happen in the wake of George’s departure.

Pretty much anyone with any sense thought it would happen in the wake of George’s departure, but since when has this whole situation made any sense?

Lucasfilm still kept the older, no-longer-canon books and comics in print under the “legends” banner, so the pro-SE argument of the unaltereds going against the official versions doesn’t work to begin with.

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#1274103
Topic
Which one of the Star Wars Movies was made WITHOUT the fans in mind?
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I’ve always wondered how much truth there is to this claim that Lucas course-corrected the PT following the TPM backlash.

Did he actually say that in an interview or is it just pure speculation by the fans?

Sure, the fact that Jar Jar gets sidelined after being so front and center in the first movie makes a strong case for it, but how do we know that wasn’t the plan from the beginning?

Solo feels the least connected to the other films, and I really appreciate that.

Rogue One’s overly fan-servicey aspects, combined with the introduction of too many new characters we’re given too little time to actually care about, are why I’m the weirdo who ranks it at the bottom of the LFL-under-Disney movies. Someday though, if they ever release the deleted scenes, I’d love to see what a longer cut could do to improve things. In the meantime, anyone want to recommend a fan edit?

Then there’s TFA. As much as I would’ve wanted something truly different from both ANH and TPM, I’m okay for the most part with how it turned out. It’s trying just a little too hard to please the fans in certain places, but for me its strengths far outweigh its shortcomings.

I loved TLJ. That’s all I’ll say about it.

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#1273536
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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oojason said:

To the surprise of no-one… 😉

‘This is the panel you’ve been waiting for! Don’t miss the Star Wars: Episode IX panel with director @jjabrams at #StarWarsCelebration Chicago! Want Friday tickets? Use, LYTE, our official ticket exchange website’

https://twitter.com/SW_Celebration/status/1105913994018258945
 

I imagine we’ll be getting a title for Episode IX during this - and maybe some sort of teaser trailer.
 

What would be truly impressive is if they managed to keep a lid on the title until it appears at the end of the trailer.

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#1273535
Topic
Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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We can’t exactly blame them for only having heard of the true originals through word of mouth when George actively buried those versions for so many years.

This is exactly why it’s so important that Disney restores and includes them, even if it’s only a one-time “limited edition” type release. 4k UHD is as good as it’s going to get for the vast majority of people for the foreseeable future. Remastering these films for the first time since 1993 shouldn’t be too much to ask.

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#1271124
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

I am watching the Oscars right now as I am typing in this post, and I just noticed Adam Driver had a shaved face in the audience. He had just got finished with Episode IX not long before.

Was he not clean-shaven last month?

It’s interesting to note that Episode IX castmates Adam Driver and Richard E. Grant have both been nominated in the supporting actor category (for BlacKkKlansman and Can You Ever Forgive Me?, respectively) at multiple different award shows this year.

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#1269323
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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RogueLeader said:

I agree with you oojason, I see that as very likely.

I know for some time Lucas acted like theatrical reels of the the old films didn’t exist, and now that we have things like the 4K projects is a pretty big comfort. Because of that, what I’m most curious about now is a possible upscaling process for AOTC and ROTS. It would be a bit of a shame if those movies couldn’t stand up to the quality of the rest of the films.

How exactly would that work? Would it be necessary to redo any vfx?

Are there any examples of 2K films that have been upscaled to 4K? And if there are, how do they look?

Many UHD releases are from 2k masters, and there’s at least one (Resident Evil: Afterlife) that was shot in 1080p just like AotC and RotS. Avatar was also shot in 1080p.

2k masters can still look great on UHD. Mad Max: Fury Road is a good example. On the other end of the spectrum, the UHD of Oblivion must have had a botched upconversion process. By all accounts, the regular 1080p blu actually resolves more fine detail than the UHD.

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#1269321
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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rodneyfaile said:

What is the latest reasoning on why they haven’t been released already? Waiting on the purchase of Fox to be finalized? Waiting until after IX?

It’s probably several things.

The pending buyout of 20th Century Fox would seem to be the biggest factor. They own ANH in perpetuity and the rights to Empire, Jedi, and the prequels don’t revert to Lucasfilm until next year. Until all the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed, Disney wouldn’t want to be involved with a release they’d need to share profits on with another studio.

4k is the other big reason. Even if Disney had the distribution rights, they’d probably have waited until this year at the earliest to do any new physical release so they can debut I-VI on UHD in grand fashion. If you count from when the blu-ray/hddvd format war ended, then we’re as far into 4k this year as we were with blu-ray when the 2011 release happened. Even if there’s no unaltered restoration in the works*, I fully expect we’ll hear some official word by the end of the year on when the OT will hit the format.

Lucasfilm doesn’t even have a new Star Wars movie in the pipeline for a 2020 release. That could still change, but Avatar 2 (a Fox release) will almost definitely be hitting theaters in December of 2020. Disney could change things up and put out a new Star Wars movie in November, but it seems likely 2020 will be Lucasfilm’s hiatus year in terms of new theatrical releases and they’ll simply focus on The Mandalorian and this Cassian Andor show, and maybe the saga UHD set could hit later in the year as well. Of course, I could be totally wrong and they’re just waiting until Celebration for the big reveal of a concept teaser for either the Obi-Wan movie or the first part of Rian’s trilogy.

*Like I’ve said before, I really don’t think they’ll bother releasing a UHD that doesn’t at the very least include the unaltered OT.