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#1416192
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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I know I have to subject myself to the worst episodes of Clone Wars just in case I can strip them for parts, but goddamn, today was horrible. I know it’s not interesting to read about for you guys either, but on the off chance that it spawns any ideas, here we go again…

The movie has some nice Coruscant establishing shots, and there are a handful of decent Ahsoka lines, plus a decent Sidious capper if you needed an ominous ending and had the footage for it. It’s kind of a shame that they shot their wad on this idea so early, because having Anakin return to Tattooine and talk Ahsoka through his feelings there could have been really powerful if done as well as the later storytelling.

Ambush has one really nice scene where Yoda tells the clones they’re special, but it looks like utter ass so I don’t think it’s worth me forcing it into my ‘lost clones’ anthology episode (along with Deserter, Gregor, and the traitor from Hidden Enemy).

Blue Shadow Virus has nothing except maybe the odd bit of combat banter but I don’t think I’ll need any more of that, and Sphere of Influence is totally worthless.

Almost universally in this show, anything to do with Tattooine or Hutts is absolute guff, Jar Jar is obviously extremely grating, and Padmé’s episodes generally suck. They really did Padmé dirty in this show, or perhaps they had an uphill struggle since she’s a senator and he’s a warrior and they have to keep their relationship secret, so it’s hard to get them opportunities to spend time together in a way that feels natural. Either way, Padmé got few good storylines and often Anakin/Padmé meetings felt forced, even when the actual character writing in them was decent. It’s disappointing but it’s better to keep Padmé sidelined than to force her crappy episodes to the fore.

What a horrible viewing experience today; I’m very glad to be dumping these forever. It’s genuinely put me off the Clone Wars a bit, I have to remind myself that the whole purpose of this exercise is to cut out this rot and leave only the delicious fruit behind. I’ll conclude this intermission review process by watching through my own episodes again, both to remind myself of their context and get a feel for their ongoing story, and to nourish myself on the good bits of this show.

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#1415937
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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As I take a little break, I’m just watching through some of the episodes I’m sure I’m excluding, to see if they have any elements worth preserving. Most of this will likely come to nothing, and I’m not going to force it into places it doesn’t belong, but I’m taking stock of what I have here.

Evil Plans has a few things I might add into the Holocron arc. A couple of good shots of Bane’s crew getting into speeders (to help with the ‘putting together a crew’ element), and some cool Bane quotes - “Cad Bane, at your service, for a price.” “I’m your worst nightmare”. I might also borrow the nice Anakin/Padmé cuddle to cap off an episode sometime if I need it. Padmé also has a good line “you should really lighten up”, which might be fun as they start to come into conflict.

Hunt for Ziro has more good Bane lines - “I hate it when someone does my job”, “the separatists are paying a million a head for Jedi”, and a good sassy Obi-Wan one, “I never did enjoy hanging out with you.” The hutt dancers are quite good, except for Sy Snootles, so I might try to preserve some of their song “Dan Hutt Oola” for the later episode where the Hutts encounter Maul, if that’s possible.

There’s almost some usable stuff here when Bane talks to the Hutts, but there’s nowhere for it to lead to. Similarly, the Bane/Obi-Wan/Quinlan fight is cool, but the only thing you could use it for is to prelude the Rako Hardeen arc with Bane’s capture, but I don’t think it could really be recontextualised as that.

Downfall of the Droid has a good back and forth between Anakin and Ahsoka about real world experience versus academy training. Obi-Wan also says “Grievous’ spies have intercepted our trandmissions”, which might work somewhere. There’s some good Ahsoka lines - “May the force be with you, master”, “Hit it, Rex!”, and “Follow me, boys!”

The separatist listening post in Duel of the Droids is quite a nice design, so if I need to relocate a scene and it doesn’t matter where it’s relocated to, I might use this just because it looks nice. I could use Nal Hutta’s establishing shot for the planet, since at range it matches the colour scheme and Nal Hutta looks nice too.

Bombad Jedi features a lot of inspirational Padmé lines, which I may use in my upcoming Corruption on Mandalore arc, because if I remember right I planned to use some Padmé up front from the first episode, before transitioning into the Academy stuff.

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#1415852
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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Haha, can’t argue with that maths 😉

I’d also prefer to not have to use them, since they’re not exactly a modern convention, and it’s always better to “show, don’t tell”. But I think I have to, for a few reasons.

Firstly, even in the original versions of some episodes, the newsreel at the beginning carried important exposition that the episodes didn’t cover. Dropping the newsreel - which I think is the right move to mature the tone and give me more editing control - means losing that expositon, which means needing to find an alternate home for it. A good example of this is the holocron arc, where Cad Bane finding master Ropal was actually in the newsreel between two episodes of the arc.

Secondly, sometimes in order to better pace or restructure an episode, I want the ability to cut exposition sequences from the episodes themselves. A one minute text description up front is better than many boring minutes I may have to keep in order to preserve a bit of explanation. A good example of this is my Christophsis, where I can get the main characters onto the planet and establish their mission and relationships without any faff, meaning we only have entertaining content to enjoy.

Thirdly, sometimes I want to recontextualise something that’s going to appear in the episode. In my Domino Squad episode I felt like my big change to make their initial failiure send them to the outpost could have done with more clarity, so I used the intro text to emphasise that they risk lesser duties if they fail. Or in my Holocron episode, to intercut Holocron (Bane + shapeshifter) with Hostage Crisis (Bane + posse), I used the text to emphasise that Bane’s a guy who can pull together a posse quickly.

Fourthly, I can use it to make causal links. My Christophsis left the matter of a mole in the Republic open, and reminding the viewer of the Republic mole in Cloak of Darkness encourages the viewer to infer that it’s Argyus, since he matches that role. Mental niggle now removed - and implicitly now the viewer will be more comfortable with any elements not answered in a given episode, trusting it will be addressed later.

Fifthly, I can also, for example, highlight characters or events a bit more directly, so that the viewer is a little more likely to pay attention to the elements of the episodes that I think are the strongest. Emphasising the Satine angle in our first Mandalore episodes means we treat her as less of a single episode character, and pay particular attention to her. I’ll be doing the same with the political situation in the next Mandalore episode, since it’s important to the later Mauldalore arc.

Sixthly, I can use it like a “previously on The Clone Wars”, like with the Maul arc.

And finally, when I’m not using it for those purposes, I try to use it as an opportunity to keep the viewer on top of the ‘state of the galaxy’, and give a bit more of a sense of the ebb and flow of the war, and keep the whole feeling cohesive. In my first season I tried to emphasise that all of the Separatists attacks were against strategic targets - making them more of a competent threat - but that the Republic during that season successfully established a foothold. In the second season, it’s the rise of scum and villainy, etc.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that while these may be boring for the preexistent Clone Wars viewer, who knows all the necessary context, for the new Clone Wars viewer this infodump may be important to their understanding and enjoyment, therefore a more engaging way to start the episode than it would be for an existing one.

In conclusion, I think it’s more valuable to have it than not. That said though, that’s not me trying to shut down discussion on this, because I think it’s a worthy topic. If I’m missing the bar on any of that, it’s definitely worth discussing. If there are elements of the intro crawls which you guys think I should change, or apply better to achieve the above goals, or additional things I should use those crawls for, I’m all ears.

(I should emphasise here, when I share things like this, it really isn’t to shut down discussion - it’s just to “show my working” and share my thought process on the raised subject. I don’t ever want the fact that I’ve thought about something a bunch to make people feel like I consider the matter final. I can expand on any of this stuff, and there’s nothing in this process or these episodes that I wouldn’t welcome other people’s input on.)

In terms of the format, obviously text gives me the most flexibility - I don’t really have the ability to use any other format, and modifying the newsreel would be too limiting. Luckily, Star Wars as a franchise uniquely has a tolerance for text crawls, so if you can get away with it anywhere, you can get away with it here. Much like wipe transitions, it’s very much a dead medium, but this particular franchise grants a lucky amount of leeway.

My goal, I suppose, is to make this show as good as it can be - even if that ultimately means it still doesn’t pass the modern bar for quality. Because people will always love Star Wars and want the fuller picture - especially now that so much is calling back to TCW - and TCW doesn’t deserve to be the black sheep that people feel they have to avoid or resentfully trudge through. I can’t remove all the imperfections, and sometimes I’ll have to replace one imperfection with another, but ultimately every judgment has to be made against the goal of making the entirety of the experience I produce as palatable as possible - which might incorporate an up-front minute of boredom per episode. I’ll always continue to encourage discussion though, not least because you guys will have new ideas which help me bring up that quality level and minimise those imperfections.

(And if it’s a maths game, you may be pleased to know I’ve already shaved off five hours of almost universally absolute dreck in those seventeen episodes released to date alone [not even including the episodes skipped entirely], and the final 50 episodes should be saving you about 17 hours total.)

In terms of cold opens, they’re not really an option. I’ve been actively looking out for opportunities but unfortunately the episodes just aren’t structured in that way. A cold open needs to have some punch to it, and nine times out of ten you don’t have any options in the first third of an episode to break on such a moment. Furthermore, audio transitions into and out of proper content are one of the hardest things to get right - far harder than smushing two bits of content together - so I’d be effectively doubling the likelihood that we end up with jarring transitions.

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#1415747
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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I feel like I should absolutely keep pushing forward while I’m motivated, yeah. And if I hit a roadblock on a given episode for whatever reason I should just skip forward and plow on. I don’t have much free time, so I need to spend my focus when I have it. I’m always happy to go back over prior episodes, and even while I’m not actively editing the older ones, I’m taking everyone’s feedback and adding them to my projects for my polish pass.

That said, I know I’ve said it recently but I’ll reiterate:

Everyone, please always feel free to comment on older episodes!

They’re not finished just because it was a while since they were released. Please continue to rip them to shreds if required!

Anyway, speaking of that polish pass, I said I’d go back and do the polish pass now that I’ve done Tartakovsky, since I hadn’t heard back from McFibb on the music for a while. But he’s just got back to me and confirmed he’s back in the game, so I’m going to wait and see what he produces before ‘finalising’ those earlier episodes. Which means I’ll probably be picking up the next couple of episodes first. Though I am going to pause for a little while to watch over my discarded episodes, just to take stock again of any useful scenes or elements.

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#1415670
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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Man, I can’t believe I’ve already made fifteen of these. Back in November when I had the idea I didn’t intend for it to be me who picked this project up. And all that month spent planning, I still wasn’t sure I had the knowledge or skills necessary. It’s crazy to think that I’ve already got 30% complete. But I’ve really got the momentum up now, I feel like I’m outputting them faster than you guys can watch them!

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#1415578
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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RELEASED - s01e00 - DARK FORCE RISING - RELEASE CUT AVAILABLE

Comprising Tartakovsky Miniseries’ Muunilinst/Yavin/Hypori storyline, and considered a semi-canon prologue to my series.

RELEASED - s01e00-B - TALES FROM THE CLONE WARS - RELEASE CUT AVAILABLE

Comprising Tartakovsky Miniseries’ Dantooine/Mon Cala/Ilium stories, and considered entirely optional.

See above for notes for both. PM for link to the tracker spreadsheet with links.

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#1415541
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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I always quite liked it due to the tartakovsky charm, even though it doesn’t mesh with the rest of the media so nicely, but on this rewatch for the sake of editing it just now, I found the voices so jarring compared to TCW. Anakin is at maximum whine, the Clones are American, and Grievous is completely different. You’re also missing some opportunities to use more of the franchise’s music - the TCW clone theme, subtler music than the Imperial March, etc. The main reason I’m including it at all is really to introduce Ventress and Grievous.

One thing this has reminded me to mention, is that I’ve taken these episodes now as far as I intend to myself, but I’m absolutely open to collaboration with anyone else who has any ideas about better ways to present them. If someone wanted to take a stab at changing the music/audio/voicework, or had ideas for restructuring beyond what I’ve done, or trims to what I’ve retained to better match TCW’s characterisation, I consider them an open community project.

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#1415537
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

Right, that’s my Tartakovsky Microseries bonus episode now rendering too. That’ll be up in a couple of hours.

That’s just Mon Cala/Dantooine/Ilum, not edited at all except for just making the transitions smooth and equal to each other. Ending on the final Dooku beat actually serves the Ilum story quite well, giving the viewer time to ruminate on the fact that the Jedi probably abandoned Ilum after this (to its eventual abuse by the Sith and its conversion into Starkiller base), though that idea kind of contradicts the fact that the Jedi continue to source lightsaber crystals from here at least a little further into the Clone Wars.

This episode is not part of my quality cut, it’s just for people who want all the canon. Even if you did want to watch both episodes, I still think they’re better presented in this split way - one with all of the story and a proper narrative running through it, and one little anthology episode.

Note: If you want this one you’ll need to scroll down my spreadsheet a bit, to the Canon Cut section (that’s yellow on black).

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#1415515
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Why do people misinterpret the lessons from TLJ so much? They weren’t about training Rey, they were intended to explain to her as to why the Jedi are inherently flawed.

Why do you act like everyone else is an idiot so much? Frequently you’re reacting in this thread like you have the only valid interpretation and those who have alternative interpretations are wrong, or worse, inferior.

Your opinions on these movies are absolutely welcome. Your arrogant dismissal of other people’s opinions is absolutely not. Please learn to have a civil discussion. I’ll get you started: “I respectfully disagree - let me draw your attention to…”

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#1415514
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
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OK, I’m rendering my episode zero, the Tartakovsky Microseries episode, now. I’m calling it DARK FORCE RISING as above. The full episode runs to about 56 minutes. That should be uploaded about four hours after posting this.

As above, it is Muunilinst/Yavin/Hypori, minus Dirge and the lancers, minus Ventress’ cat disguise (the cat is now someone else), plus Dooku training Grievous.

I ended up reordering it more than expected, to make it a bit of a tighter narrative, as follows:

  • After Yoda concludes his narration by mentioning that Anakin’s special, we cut directly to Anakin’s dream about being kid Ani with Qui-Gon. In the original there was no context for this dream, and where it is now there’s still very little context, except that for the viewer it kind of ominously sets up this episode and the rest of the Clone Wars. I also moved it up front as a way of starting the episode and the Clone Wars with saying goodbye to child Anakin and Qui-Gon, a kind of “we’re moving forward from TPM/AOTC.” That might not totally work but it didn’t totally work where it was anyway, so I don’t really mind.
  • After Palpatine sends Anakin and the clone army off to war, we cut straight into Dooku finding Ventress. Now all of the military prep happens at the same time as Dooku training Ventress, so it’s less like he just met her in the arena and then immediately sent her off to kill Anakin. We then cut to more army prep, then more Ventress prep, before we kick off properly. It just feels a bit better paced this way.
  • Then into Muunilinst, with some slight reordering so there’s less intercutting. We get a bit more space battle than before, then the landing on the planet right the way through to victory, then back to the space battle for Ventress’ arrival and we follow that plotline right through Yavin.
  • The prior scenes originally were split by Ventress’ introduction, but now I use that break to introduce Grievous being trained by Dooku (but not the later half of that scene with Sidious). This does take away the slow reveal of Grievous in the later Hypori plot, BUT it achieves two things: Firstly, in this training Dooku actually teaches Grievous “you must break them before you defeat them”, and then it makes Grievous’ stealthy fearful introduction a demonstration of him following that advice, so it’s still impactful. And secondly, it’s a cool scene, and since this ‘chunk’ of Tartakovsky is the only part I consider necessary for my Quality Cut (that is, I’m not recommending people watch any other parts of Tartakovsky if they want context for the CG clone wars), I wanted to get that initial setup for “I’ve been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku.”
  • I moved the shot of Yoda having an “oh shit” meditation moment to right after Anakin’s just completed his rage-fueled attack on Ventress. Now in context, he’s reacting to feeling the darkness rise in Anakin. A viewer could choose to imply that it’s this feeling which compels him to agree to Knight Anakin and later grant him a Padawan, in the hopes of keeping him on the right path.
  • We then get all of Hypori uninterrupted, then all of the original endings to this section of the miniseries. This takes us through Anakin’s Knighting, Anakin and Padmé’s secret meeting, C-3PO’s golden paint job, and Anakin flying off with his new haircut. I then cap this off with the scene which originally ended the first half of the microseries, where Yoda ruminates about the rising darkness as thunder storms overhead.

The original is a bit of a mash up, aggregating the original three minute long clips often with quick transitions and abrupt audio cuts. I’ve tried to smooth that where possible, and tried to make my own transitions as clean as possible, but the one cut of my own that stands out to me as still a bit jarring I’m going to allow for now since the original permitted things like that too.

This episode isn’t wrapped in my usual TCW:Refocused trappings, because it does kind of stand alone. I added my own credit and Tackel’s for the upscaling, but didn’t touch it otherwise.

Since I’m in the zone I’m just quickly going to put together the cut scenes from this half of the microseries now, those being Dantooine/Mon Calamari/Ilum, which I’ll call ‘TALES FROM THE CLONE WARS’ as part of my Continuity Cut.
(As a reminder: My main edit is the ‘Quality Cut’, which contains my recommended content and viewing order, but the ‘Continuity Cut’ is extra stuff for those who want every single nugget that ties in to wider canon but that doesn’t utterly suck.)

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#1415348
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

RELEASED - SINS OF THE FATHER (BOBA FETT ARC) - RELEASE CUT

My production number 209, episode number TBD (early/mid season 2)

Notes as above. I also took out the weird line where Hondo implies that his species plus Aurra Sing’s species could have made a human kid. I only really took out the skeet scene from the first episode, but I could trim that episode further if people feel like that part is a bit slow.

PM for a link to the tracker.

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#1415332
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

Planning my Tartakovsky episode now. In total I’ll make four episodes out of the microseries:

  1. Muunilinst/Yavin/Hypori - the components which serve as the prologue to The Clone Wars: Refocused
  2. Mon Cala/Dantooine/Ilum - an optional early ‘tales of’ anthology episode (continuity cut)
  3. Nelvaan - an optional late episode (complete cut)
  4. Coruscant - an optional episode immediately prior to the finale (complete cut)

It’s the first one that I’m working on now. (The other three will come after I finish all ~50 episodes in the full quality cut.) Tackel’s given me a copy of his 4K AI upscale to use as a source, and it’s playing nice with my editing software so we’re all good.

This episode will work as follows:

  • The full intro with Yoda’s narration
  • Most of the land battle on Muunilinst
  • No IG/clone lancers. I think having this many IGs cheapens them, and lancers are such a weirdly specific military type in a scifi war, that aren’t used again.
  • No Dirge. I think he’s too biologically unique for Star Wars. I’ll just trim around him so the clones take the building.
  • All of the sky battle above Muunilinst
  • All of Ventress’ training, except for the cat disguise thing as it’s a weird ability not used again. I may move this scene earlier, to before Muunilinst kicks off.
  • All of the scenes on Yavin
  • All of the scenes on Hypori with Grievous
  • All of the wrap-up scenes until Anakin gets knighted and flies off to join the war again
  • Inclusion of the scene of Dooku training Grievous from later in the microseries, possibly moved to where I’m taking the Ventress scenes from.

That gives us everything we need to get going with TCW:R. I don’t want to change how overblown it all is, because that’s part of the fun of Tartakovsky. And as much as I would like to, I can’t change the voicework which really doesn’t match TCW at all. I also don’t think I’ll wrap my usual credits around it, instead leaving it closer to the original presentation, mainly to emphasise to the viewer that (while useful) this episode is kind of its own thing.

This first episode will be called DARK FORCE RISING, because:

  • It introduces two new villains - Ventress and Grievous
  • Its emotional peak is the light/dark scenes with Anakin, which hint at the darkness rising within him
  • It features the clone army, a rising force which nobody realises has a dark origin and purpose
  • And, of course, the Separatists and the clone wars are ultimately the machinations of Sidious
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#1415296
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

Done! I’ll render that full episode again soon, unless anyone has any other technical things to add?

I’ve also just finished uploading the edited version of Lightsaber Lost, which now ends one scene earlier.

I’m also now uploading the full SINS OF THE FATHER (the Boba Fett episode, though I’m open to alternative names), which should be up in about three hours.

Onward to the Tartakovsky prologue, and then I’ll polish the earlier episodes before moving on to a new one.

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#1415038
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

Here’s a clip of the new ending to A STRIKE AT THE HEART (my Holocron Crisis episode), which also now serves as our season one finale, incorporating the very last scene from LIGHTSABER LOST, which is getting downgraded.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GdsdMv-GGFyv8H950c5-vofQBLzLvjHO/view?usp=sharing

See how that feels, and bear in mind that in this episode:

  • Anakin lost his lightsaber, causing real risk to the people he needed to protect and the woman he loves
  • Ahsoka had her padawan braid taken away before declaring she’d earned it back
  • Ahsoka, herself a padawan, nearly died by being thrown out an airlock
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#1414981
Topic
The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE]
Time

Nooo, I think I just got lucky. I have been thinking about this stuff for three and a half months straight now. Though it does go to show that you can’t over-plan for this stuff, you should always be ready to flex and change as new ideas come to light!

EDIT: Damn, it works even better in context than I’d thought! She goes and teaches the younglings JUST AFTER SHE’S SAVED A BUNCH OF YOUNGLINGS. She’s literally just had the experience of realising how important the future generations of Jedi are, so she immediately goes about starting to get involved in their training, setting her on the path which continues through Rebels with Ezra all the way through to Mando with Grogu. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK this was a really lucky get.