DuracellEnergizer

doubleofive said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

No Escape AKA Escape from Absalom (1994)

Stuart Wilson is an ambiguously gay Klingon in this movie. I dare anyone to prove otherwise.

7/10

Wait, so is there no escape or can they totally escape?

*SPOILERS*

They escape.

darklordoftech said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Um...I don't think a blank screen counts as a scene.*

THIS is possibly the worst scene in all 6 movies:

 

IMO, the worst thing about this scene is that an inconsequential asshat is the only character in any of the movies to get a lightsaber that is coloured something other than blue, red, or green. If only one character is allowed a unique lightsaber colour, it should be a main character who matters.

Sadako said:

Look at the CG effects used in Jurassic Park compared with the CG used in AotC, ten years later.

In Jurassic Park, they had to make the CG dinosaurs look indistinguishable from the full scale models and animatronics that were used in close-ups, and the effects still stand up today. In AotC, they used CG for everything--the aliens, the vehicles, the sets, everything, and the effects haven't aged particularly well (compared to films that are twice as old). If they had used animatronics or actors in make-up, it would have given the CG artists at ILM something to shoot towards in their rendering, something real to match.

This featurette is particularly illuminating, given that they're talking in the early 90's about effects technology that moviegoers take for granted now. (Also, physical models of the Falcon against bluescreens in '77.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epnEIBbF4bY

It's ironic that a film that used a balanced mix of CG and physical effects is the very film that convinced Lucas that CGI had advanced enough so that an entire film environment could be created with it.

Bobocop said:

If you think that the criticism of the prequels stems solely from a perceived lack of models and miniatures, then you need to go back and read the numerous threads devoted to their failings. The deal breaker for me was the blatant disregard for continuity with the OT and even among the PT films themselves.

That was my deal breaker as well. I'm no fan of the CG effects in the PT, but I could have learned to live with them if the story had actually been good and in line with the OT.

ATMachine said:

Personally I love the idea of a SW multiverse embracing early-draft ideas.

I guess this is my cue to provide a link to the Star Wars Multiverse list that I've been writing up. That I've gone to such an effort to create such a list is kind of embarrasing, though, and as such I'm hesitant to share it (again).

^Sounds like the Christian Satan -- weaker than watered-down piss though everyone thinks otherwise.

Avalanche (1994)

I'm glad David Hosselhoff is such a bad actor. This movie wouldn't be half as entertaining as it is if he were the least bit competent.

6/10

No Escape AKA Escape from Absalom (1994)

Stuart Wilson is an ambiguously gay Klingon in this movie. I dare anyone to prove otherwise.

7/10

The Spirit of '76 (1990)

Olivia d'Abo is a fine piece of rear end, and as such, she's the only consistently good thing about this otherwise embarrassing movie.

5/10

La riviere du hibou AKA An Occurrence at Owl Creek (1962) - 7.5/10

Rashomon (1950)

I don't really know what to say about this film. I guess I'll just say that if it weren't for the events which unfold within the last half hour, nothing in Rashomon would come together and work nearly as well as it does.  

8.5/10

Tack said:

The prequels were Lucas' Signs and Lady in the Water, and Red Tails was his The Happening.

I'd rather compare Signs to one of the SE films than to a prequel.

darklordoftech said:

Celestials. Precursor races are a sci-fi cliche that doesn't belong in Star Wars.

As long as they don't use precursor races to explain the origins of every single human and rubber forehead alien in the galaxy, I don't see the problem with them. 

I'm going to bitch, now, about having to change the title of a certain thread so many times in order to appeal to all the varied tastes of the other posters here -- it's frustratingly annoying.

Bingowings said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Battle Beyond the Stars (1980)

This movie sucked, plain and simple. The plot was paper-thin, the characters were complete cyphers, the "action" scenes were overlong and boring, and the movie was just too damn long for such a meagre storyline.

The worst thing about this movie by far, though, is that John Saxon sucked. John Saxon sucked! Lord above, I've seen him in some dire movies, and he still gave a great performance in them! The director must be some black magician to coax such an underwhelming performance out of the man!

5/10 (If it weren't for the (mostly) decent effects, it would be a 4/10) 

 Errr...

I prefer the masculine "warlock", thank you very much. 

darth_ender said:

I think that much of the previous 25 pages were discussing homosexuality without discussing it in a prejudiced manner.  Discussing controversy and religious beliefs towards it isn't the same thing as prejudging those who are homosexual.

I guess this means I have to rename this thread once again. I suppose "The Controversial Discussions Thread" will do nicely.

*sigh*

^I'd like to say that was the reaction I had to the debacle that was that movie, but it was too underwhelming to get even that much from me.

...

Slipstream (1989) - 6/10

The Dark Crystal (1982) - 7/10

I wonder how different the adult Jacen is from the kid Jacen in the Young Jedi Knights book series. In the latter, he was a teller of bad jokes.

OBI-WAN37 is an asshat.

Tack said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

adywan said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

 Oh no, this same old tired argument again. I really wish the Prequelites would at least do a little research before they start spouting this same crap over and over again to try and make the prequels sound great and that it wasn't overused CG

While it maybe true that there were more models/ miniatures built for the prequels. But "built" and "screen used" are two completely different things. There is also a huge difference between using a miniature for a set piece/ location and actually building a set or filming at a real location.

The OT was shot using real full sets. Filmed at locations. And NOT against a greenscreen or just a partial set that would need all the blanks filling in later. In the OT, for vehicles/ ships etc either a full scale set was built or for action sequences a miniature was built and filmed. For the PT, ONLY Phantom menace used models for these things. AOTC & ROTS, every vehicle/ ship was created in a computer. In fact whole sequences were created with 90%-100% CG.  These same scenes could have easily have used models and costumed actors. But no, they decided to create it in a computer. I'm surprised that AOTC and ROTS didn't get a nomination in the best animated feature category. For example.....

The only thing that existed in the real world was the ground. Everything else was created in a computer.

Just click on that picture and look at it in full-rez. It looks like a bloody cartoon. That shot is 100% CG and it shows. At least have the foreground characters be real costumed actors to add a little realism into the shot

Again, 100% CG. They even had models of the Trade Federation ships from TPM but went the digital route instead.

So the complaints about the overuse of CG is well justified.

 They did actually have a huge amount of real models that were screen used in the prequels. You can see them all in this thread ( http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/ ) To name just a few: the AATs, the Eta-2 Class Jedi Starfighters, the life-size Anakin's podracer, which, although while racing was CGI, was filmed when it was stationary and unedited when so, that thing in the second picture down, a HUGE miniature city of Tatooine, the place where Obi-Wan was talking to those long-necked people, the streets of Coroscant, the Jedi Coucil Library, that place where the speeders were swerving around flames in episode II, the huts of the tusken raiders, those huge corridors in Geonosis, the Geonosian arena, Dooku's solar sailor, podracer station, the corridors of Naboo, that huge palace type thing in Naboo,  the hallways on Kamino, the Naboo royal starship, a dining room in the Trade Federation interior, that viewing platform for th podracing, buildings or huts on Tatooine, more lifesize podracers, corridors in the Invisible Hand, a huge amount of makeup for 7 or so aliens, dining room in Naboo in AotC, huge chunk of rocky terrain in AotC which Obi-Wan was standing on, Podracing stadium,landing bay in the invisible Hand, the Jedi Temple, LIFE SIZE naboo starfighter, which is a huge ship, C-3P0 skeleton, which involved puppetry, what looks like part of a LIFE SIZE Sebulba's podracer, or at least half of it huge interior of Mustafar building where Anakin killed the Separatists, breifing place for the Jedi in episode III, HUGE podracing arena (not just stadium, but arena), terrain for AotC battle of Geonosis, several puppets who drove podracers, Sebulba's podracer's cockpit, cargo bay in Episode I on Naboo with MATTE PAINTING behind it, and multiple other things which could have been (but I'm not sure) unedited in the prequels.

You cannot argue against that.

 And this makes the prequels not suck because…?

And, meanwhile, I can provide several reasons why they do.

• Lack of meaningful reactions by the actors
• Lack of creative, eloquent, or snappy dialogue
• Too much reliance on having seen the original films
• Fan service
• Underwritten and under-conceived screenplays that writer of said screenplays never seemed to allow major changes on that were not his own
• Slow pacing that feels slow because the content is uninteresting
• Dull, repetitive scores
• Lack of any fun or enjoyment (except for maybe a COUPLE lightsaber duels)
• Disassociated acting
• Non-immersive cinematography

…and that's off the top of my head.

Your rebuttal?

I know exactly what he's going to say.

1. I think the actors had very meaningful reactions

2. I think the dialogue was very creative, eloquent, and snappy

3. That's because they reflect one another like poetry

4. What's wrong with fan service? I like fan service

5. I don't think they were underwritten or underconceived. Besides, no major changes were needed -- George's vision was perfect

6. I don't think the pacing was too slow or that the content was uninteresting

7. I don't think the scores were dull or repetitive

8. I had fun and enjoyment

9. I don't think the acting was disassociated

10. I found the cinematography very immersive

^That is NOT a mental picture I needed in my head!

OBI-WAN37 went wrong, and OBI-WAN37 can be avoided.

Tobar said:

That these guys aren't Bothans:

 Are you saying you don't like the goat/cat/dog people? ;-)

darklordoftech said:

The Jedi weren't always the good guys, as demonstrated by the First Great Schism. (this is something I like about the EU)

It's an idea I like as well. There need to be areas of gray in the SW Universe, especially when it comes down to the Jedi/Dark Jedi/Sith.

^Have you found your beloved Jar Jar dildo yet?

OBI-WAN37 said:

TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

 I know this is hard for you to grasp, but it's possible to like something with X number of models and miniatures rather than Y number of models and miniatures.

 You look ridiculous being so rude all the time. I'm not even going to give you the benefit (and that's exactly what it is: a BENEFIT) of a comment.

The only benefit you could give anyone here is to go away.

OBI-WAN37's just cranky 'cause he lost his favourite sex toy.

I see that the proverbial itch is back. Wasn't it supposed to be permanently banned?

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