DuracellEnergizer

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t think Gray Jedi is the solution. You can’t say the side that destroyed planets, purged races, and slaughtered children are half the good guys now, and the people doing everything to stop them were partially in the wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Just because the Jedi and Sith can experience the Force can’t mean they can know it perfectly or wholly. A most robust understanding of the Force may lie along a higher synthesis of their philosophies.

As one reviewer commented, the concept of The Force was very vague in SW77 - and that was it’s strength. Christian, Buddhist, Neo-Pagan etc. could all see their own religion in it. The more specific you get the more you are going to diverge from some people’s beliefs. The basic tenants of The Force we get from SW77: trust/believe in yourself, think of others/the greater good, take risks, technology isn’t everything. Simple and beautiful.

In addition to the above, the dark and light sides should’ve been states of mind rather than innate attributes/divisions of the Force itself. That’s where I feel the depiction of the Force started going off the rails.

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t think Gray Jedi is the solution. You can’t say the side that destroyed planets, purged races, and slaughtered children are half the good guys now, and the people doing everything to stop them were partially in the wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Just because the Jedi and Sith can experience the Force doesn’t mean they can know it perfectly or wholly. A most robust understanding of the Force may lie along a higher synthesis of their philosophies.

oojason said:

http://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/10/23/the-real-reason-luke-skywalker-has-a-green-lightsaber

It’s clear, then, that there is a deeper meaning to the lightsaber being a new colour, even if the particular colour was chosen for a purely technical reason.

Luke’s lightsaber was green because it popped against the blue sky — and because, by visually differentiating his new lightsaber from his old one, the filmmakers were able to show us that Luke had become his own man."

Now Luke’s lightsaber’s green 'cause it’s one of just two* colours Jedi cultists get to have, and Luke’s a stickler for tradition.

*Unless you’re an inconsequential nobody like Mace Windu. Then you get to have your own unique colour.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I recall Worf being in “I am Klingon, hear me roar!” mode right from the get-go. This was greatly disappointing to me, 'cause there was plenty of opportunity to explore the “nature vs. nurture” debate with the character, and it all went to waste.

Oh? The ending of the Redemption 2-part episode disagrees with you.

In my defense, I watched those episodes exactly once, six years ago.

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I personally hate how Klingons were depicted TNG+. Buncha unbathed Space Vikings so pathologically stupid that it breaks suspension of disbelief that these morons ever managed to evolve beyond the Stone Age, let alone develop FTL travel and build an interstellar empire.

This is the correct opinion. I wish they stayed like they were in the movies. The Undiscovered Country even showed an intellectual side of the Klingon people that I don’t think was ever explored in any of the TV series afterwards.

TUC probably had the most complex, nuanced take on the Klingons. Unfortunately, that was the last time those Klingons were featured.

Not just Klingon culture though, in particular Worf as a character became worse the longer he existed. At the start of TNG, Worf claims that Klingon culture is completely alien to him, having been raised by humans. I’m not sure how early it started, but at some point the writers decided to make it Worf’s one goal in life to be the most Klingon a Klingon could be. This caused more and more episodes to be fully dedicated to developing Worf’s Klingon ancestry.

I recall Worf being in “I am Klingon, hear me roar!” mode right from the get-go. This was greatly disappointing to me, 'cause there was plenty of opportunity to explore the “nature vs. nurture” debate with the character, and it all went to waste.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I personally hate how Klingons were depicted TNG+. Buncha unbathed Space Vikings so pathologically stupid that it breaks suspension of disbelief that these morons ever managed to evolve beyond the Stone Age, let alone develop FTL travel and build an interstellar empire.

How are they “morons”?

Bringing bat’leths to gunfights, for starters.

DuracellEnergizer said:

When I think of a gray Jedi, I think of a Jedi who taps into emotions/utilizes powers commonly with the dark side whilst still remaining a hero with a strong sense of right & wrong

Meant to type “commonly associated with the dark side”. I didn’t mean to imply I would’ve preferred Luke as someone who routinely taps into the dark side.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

When I think of a gray Jedi, I think of a Jedi who taps into emotions/utilizes powers commonly with the dark side whilst still remaining a hero with a strong sense of right & wrong — a very “light gray” Jedi, you could say. The PT Jedi in general are “medium gray”, with Windu “dark gray”. I’m not a fan of medium/dark gray Jedi, either, at least not as the rule.

In other words, the end justifies the means?

I dunno if I’d go that far. I definitely think Luke should’ve skewered Palps, though.

Not too Star Warsy in my opinion Duracell,

LOL. I am to Star Wars what Marcion of Sinope was to traditional Christianity.

Perhaps the Sequel Sequel Trilogy will introduce planet-sized ysalamiri and balance will finally, truly be brought to Force.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I would’ve liked to see Luke become a gray Jedi. Too bad Lucas doesn’t believe in gray.

Duracell, my man, the Jedi are already Gray; and that is the problem! Gray as in “gray area” refers to beliefs that are moraly uncertain or questionable. Jedi are not supposed to be gray! They are on the right path in a galaxy that is gray or tilting to evil. The point of Han Solo’s character arc in SW77 is that he goes from gray to light/white, right? The extermination of the Jedi can only be a tragedy if they are the good guys, not the “gray” guys!

Ah, but the lovely thing about gray is that it comes in many shades.

When I think of a gray Jedi, I think of a Jedi who taps into emotions/utilizes powers commonly with the dark side whilst still remaining a hero with a strong sense of right & wrong — a very “light gray” Jedi, you could say. The PT Jedi in general are “medium gray”, with Windu “dark gray”. I’m not a fan of medium/dark gray Jedi, either, at least not as the rule.

Tell me you weren’t a little happy when they all got gunned down at the end of ROTS.

More than anything, I felt annoyance tinged with apathy. The EU painted a very engrossing portrait of the Great Jedi Purge, and ROTS utterly failed to live up to it.

I would’ve liked to see Luke become a gray Jedi. Too bad Lucas doesn’t believe in gray.

ChainsawAsh said:

That was apparently supposed to be the point but it wasn’t communicated well at all.

Especially with the oh-so-kewl lightsaber Kung Fu crap going on to make the fanboys cream their jeans.

I hate that the fundamentalist Jedi of the PT era became the Jedi.

Z6PO said:

Reading Marx turns you blue?

That’s not how the communism works!

I’ve made substantial revisions to my last entry.

• Artoo has been added to the story.
• Instead of snapping Zul’s neck, Ventress stuns her with a blaster.
• Siri’s been removed, her role given to Obi-Wan. This is a painful decision for me, as I quite enjoyed the relationship she and Obi-Wan had in my previous rewrite. Unfortunately, this rewrite is following a different trajectory, and I realized a romantic partner for Obi-Wan doesn’t align with it, so she’s gone.

Metachlorian

dgraham414 said:

I highly doubt these leaks are going to be true at all, they just sound so… fan-ficky

The same could’ve been said for TFA.

I personally hate how Klingons were depicted TNG+. Buncha unbathed Space Vikings so pathologically stupid that it breaks suspension of disbelief that these morons ever managed to evolve beyond the Stone Age, let alone develop FTL travel and build an interstellar empire.

Maybe people are just sick and tired of universe shrinkage.

luckydube56 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

Many planning on skipping it would likely change their minds if word-of-mouth is overwhelmingly positive.

I’m gonna skip it no matter what. TFA sucked, in my opinion, to the point i have not and will not see TLJ. Even if the last one turns out to be amazing, it would just be the cherry on top of a pile of crap. I cannot bring myself to consume or accept the entire thing or even parts of it. The ST is non-existent from my view of the SW Galaxy and prefer it to remain that way.

Same. Except for haven’t having watched TLJ; I did end up watching the first 40 minutes.

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Yet the film has all the Skywalkers killed off and the descendant of Space Hitler™ (whose return ruins the meaning of Anakin’s sacrifice, by the way) taking on the surname of Skywalker at the end. Also, General Hux is redeemed (which ruins his entire character even more), Anakin’s lightsaber and Kylo’s helmet are fixed (which ruins the meanings of their destructions in The Last Jedi), there’s the “fake-out death” cliché, there’s a character who only exists just for a reveal that she is Lando’s long-lost daughter, etc.

Well, Leia dying is probably going to be the biggest missed opportunity of this film, but I don’t know how that’s a valid criticism considering real life events.

Perhaps once Carrie Fisher passed, the powers-that-be should’ve just, y’know, re-edited TLJ so that Leia was the one who died and Luke survived.

yotsuya said:

Oh my. Mike Zeroh is having a cow. He is making up stuff left and right. His latest claims is that Lucas wrote and directed scenes for the film that have now been cut. Fun to hear the crap he comes up with, but he is deranged.

Hal 9000 said:

He’s SuperShadow in heat.

So that explains why people still watch his videos. Not for information, but entertainment.

Tobar said:

I would seriously consider including a Klingon episode since they’re so integral to the franchise. Errand of Mercy maybe?

+1

TavorX said:

Ironically, if a “strong female agenda” was a strong initiative, I fail to see it beyond TFA. Luke somehow manages to have more of an “arc” in TLJ than Rey did. Rose seems more fixated on Finn, romantically, than carrying on the legacy of her dead sister. Leia is just kinda there, and Luke is the one that inspires hope/gives reassurance.
There’s Holdo but she’s… Not developed and really the only character that felt like a half-baked attempt at the finger-wagging feminist.
The only thing the new films end up doing is giving these female characters weapons/fighting skills in order to serve lip-service that women can throw punches, but without much emotional substance. Less proactive and more… Reyactive in their respective stories.

On top of that, I’m not sure what to expect besides a mere story about Rey resisting the darkside to defeat Palpatine. Wooo…?

In the immortal words of RedLetterMedia: “Eat the multi-billion dollar corporate slop and pretend its social justice, you weirdos.”

Mando Hondo