DuracellEnergizer

Yes to the above. Jar Jar doesn’t deserve to be equated with that arch-hack.

I generally approve. The “Random” threads aren’t strictly OT-only, though. Can’t they be duplicated for each subforum?

NANA VISITOR

ray_afraid said:

Broom Kid said:

one side is upset that “happily ever after” wasn’t maintained

That’s not it at all. It’s that our OT heroes victories were seemingly undone & our enemies doubled strength with no explanation.

Nothing a little EU and fanwanking couldn’t fix, though, amirite?

Lesser said:

I think most people in an area just coincidentally feel the same way cause people that dislike a movie tend to be in a theater where everybody mocks it or leaves, whereas I tend to have a more positive outlook and only experience good audience reactions.

Confirmation bias is a double-edged Sith dagger.

Mithrandir said:

I don’t think this is a film that brings a living closure to the Star Wars saga, but rather a post-mortem homage and a sort of great hits album.

Greatest hits albums are for housewives and little girls.

Star Wars loves incest.

Shopping Maul said:

I see the supposed rejection of ROTJ’s ‘happily ever after’ as more of a reaction to ROTJ than anything else. People seem to have forgotten what a disappointment that film was, not just to many fans but to folks who were involved in the films. I’m pretty sure that’s why the comics had Luke turn to the Dark Side in the 90s

He didn’t turn to the dark side. He delved into the dark side in order to learn its secrets, to know why Vader turned and to conquer it from within. There’s a difference.

Broom Kid said:

Only a sith deals in absolutes

Which is itself an absolute.

I love how self-defeating Star Wars intrinsically is.

4throck said:

Audience is always right 😃

Alternatively, the audience and critics are both always wrong.

It’s been almost a year since I last considered my personal canon. In that time, I tried being a SW '77 purist, but that didn’t work out for me. I then tried smothering my vestigial love for all things Star Wars and any personal canon with it, but that didn’t work out, either. Since then, my love and hatred for Star Wars has reached equilibrium, and now I believe I’ve settled upon a definitive personal canon.

This isn’t a canon of compatible works all forming a single, cohesive universe. This is a canon of dissimilar, often incompatible stories which I happen to enjoy, pure and simple.

• Tales of the Jedi
• TCW: “Overlords”
• TCW: “Altar of Mortis”
• TCW: “Ghosts of Mortis”
• Star Wars (theatrical version)
• The Star Wars radio drama
• The Empire Strikes Back (theatrical version)
• The original Marvel SW comic (#1-80)
• The Archie Goodwin/Al Williamson SW comic strip
• The Alan Moore SW comics
• Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire
• Dark Forces: Rebel Agent
• Dark Forces: Jedi Knight
• Mara Jade: By the Emperor’s Hand
• Heir to the Empire
• Dark Force Rising
• The Last Command
• Dark Empire
• I, Jedi
• Ambush at Corellia
• Assault at Selonia
• Showdown at Centerpoint
• Specter of the Past
• Vision of the Future

^This. You don’t need a master plan set in stone from the beginning; just don’t treat your series like an exquisite corpse.

Maaga said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The point isn’t that the OOT can’t be obtained; it’s that it’s been actively suppressed and forced into obscurity, which any cinephile should consider obscene.

Forced into obscurity? JJ Abrams mentioned the Despecialized Editions for goodness sake.

Abrams isn’t Lucas.

Ryan-SWI said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The point isn’t that the OOT can’t be obtained; it’s that it’s been actively suppressed and forced into obscurity, which any cinephile should consider obscene.

Yep I agree, but it’s not 2005 and anyone who googles the theatrical versions can find them in a heartbeat.

At this point it’s beating a dead horse. They’re never getting released officially, so George wins, but you also have easy access to them unofficially, so you win too.

Enough is enough, bitching about it every time George Lucas comes up in discussion is getting pathetic and contributes nothing to the conversation.

Regardless this isn’t a thread for the special editions, it’s for TROS.

FWIW, I made my peace with Lucas a long time ago. My beef is with Disney now.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been doing some worldbuilding, and here’s what I’ve got nailed down for the SWS:RE Universe:

• The setting is our own Milky Way, some 25,000 years into the future.
• Earth has either been abandoned/forgotten or become the city-planet Had Abbadon.
• The Galactic Republic is 10,000-18,000 years old and spans a million worlds.
• The known galaxy spans 25% of the Milky Way.
• Excluding genetically divergent subspecies, just over three dozen sapient races inhabit the known galaxy.
• Though not particularly speciesist, the Galactic Republic is an almost entirely human/near-human domain. There are very few member worlds with significant non-human populations, and human/non-human admixture is almost unheard of outside the Outer Rim territories.
• Strong AI doesn’t exist. “Thinking machines” are actually cyborgs — robot bodies controlled by cultured organic brains.
• Manned fightercraft are considered archaic and hopelessly cumbersome in modern warfare. Armed forces tend to use either remote-controlled fighters or robot fighters in combat. Remote-controlled fighters have some advantage over robots, as an organic pilot can outwit the weak AI of robot fighters. However, in the event that a remote-controlled fighter is heavily damaged or destroyed, feedback through the neural interface can kill or brain-damage the organic controller.
• Lightsabers are entirely mystical, non-technological weapons which can only be constructed and ignited by trained Force adepts. At the heart of every lightsaber is a kyber crystal, the colour of which is shaped by the psyche/preferences of the adept who meditates over it. The blade of a lightsaber is paper-thin, with monomolecular edges. They don’t generate heat, but cut through almost any material by severing covalent bonds.
• Force-sensitivity isn’t genetic; it cannot be inherited patrilineally, and clones of Force-sensitives will not inherit their template’s Force-sensitivity. However, Force-sensitivity is often passed on matrilineally. And if one child in a set of twins (identical or fraternal) is Force-sensitive, their sibling(s) are invariably Force-sensitive as well.
• All space flight and space combat is in three dimensions.
• Single-biome worlds capable of supporting complex life are rare and often marginally habitable. Life on Hoth is limited to the equator, life on Tatooine to the poles, etc.
• Hyperspace travel is relatively slow. Travel between Tatooine and Alderaan — both Outer Rim planets — takes five days along a good hyperlane.

Overall: very, very good. Jedi actually fly starfighters physically though, yes? It makes them unique right?

Not as a matter of routine; I imagine the Jedi would be relatively few even before the Jedi Purge, so most wouldn’t make themselves a target in the middle of a war zone. But there’d be scouts and the like with personalized fighters.

Gotcha. Kudos for the slow hyperspace travel too. It always bugged me about how fast hyperspace seemed to become with the prequels. Looks like you will need to re-design X-Wings with toilets though; it’s more than a few hours from Hoth to Dagobah I’ll bet!

LOL. I think I’d reimagine Luke’s X-wing as a shuttle.

theprequelsrule said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been doing some worldbuilding, and here’s what I’ve got nailed down for the SWS:RE Universe:

• The setting is our own Milky Way, some 25,000 years into the future.
• Earth has either been abandoned/forgotten or become the city-planet Had Abbadon.
• The Galactic Republic is 10,000-18,000 years old and spans a million worlds.
• The known galaxy spans 25% of the Milky Way.
• Excluding genetically divergent subspecies, just over three dozen sapient races inhabit the known galaxy.
• Though not particularly speciesist, the Galactic Republic is an almost entirely human/near-human domain. There are very few member worlds with significant non-human populations, and human/non-human admixture is almost unheard of outside the Outer Rim territories.
• Strong AI doesn’t exist. “Thinking machines” are actually cyborgs — robot bodies controlled by cultured organic brains.
• Manned fightercraft are considered archaic and hopelessly cumbersome in modern warfare. Armed forces tend to use either remote-controlled fighters or robot fighters in combat. Remote-controlled fighters have some advantage over robots, as an organic pilot can outwit the weak AI of robot fighters. However, in the event that a remote-controlled fighter is heavily damaged or destroyed, feedback through the neural interface can kill or brain-damage the organic controller.
• Lightsabers are entirely mystical, non-technological weapons which can only be constructed and ignited by trained Force adepts. At the heart of every lightsaber is a kyber crystal, the colour of which is shaped by the psyche/preferences of the adept who meditates over it. The blade of a lightsaber is paper-thin, with monomolecular edges. They don’t generate heat, but cut through almost any material by severing covalent bonds.
• Force-sensitivity isn’t genetic; it cannot be inherited patrilineally, and clones of Force-sensitives will not inherit their template’s Force-sensitivity. However, Force-sensitivity is often passed on matrilineally. And if one child in a set of twins (identical or fraternal) is Force-sensitive, their sibling(s) are invariably Force-sensitive as well.
• All space flight and space combat is in three dimensions.
• Single-biome worlds capable of supporting complex life are rare and often marginally habitable. Life on Hoth is limited to the equator, life on Tatooine to the poles, etc.
• Hyperspace travel is relatively slow. Travel between Tatooine and Alderaan — both Outer Rim planets — takes five days along a good hyperlane.

Overall: very, very good. Jedi actually fly starfighters physically though, yes? It makes them unique right?

Not as a matter of routine; I imagine the Jedi would be relatively few even before the Jedi Purge, so most wouldn’t make themselves a target in the middle of a war zone. But there’d be scouts and the like with personal fighters.

Ryan-SWI said:

As there remains no proper restoration and release of the OOT, no, I’m not.

It’s 2019. There’s a thousand different options to watch the original version now, it’s not a big deal.

A thousand different options — that only a niche of hardcore fans knows/cares about.

The point isn’t that the OOT can’t be obtained; it’s that it’s been actively suppressed and forced into obscurity, which any cinephile should consider obscene.

Can’t say it’s worse than having the TIEs rest on their panels. Man, that was stupid.

Ryan-SWI said:

I hope everyone who ragged on George Lucas relentlessly for decades is happy

As there remains no proper restoration and release of the OOT, no, I’m not.

NeverarGreat said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Anyone wanna try deepfaking a young Hayden Christensen onto Jake Lloyd to make for a smoother transition between films?

That sounds like a healthy 1% chance of success, 99% chance of horrible nightmare fuel.

DEWIT

digitalfreaknyc said:

Sir Ridley said:

I don’t have 4K equipment yet, so I’m mostly interested in the special features and if there will be anything new in there. I imagine that I might replace my Blu-ray collection with something like this in a few years, but for now it seems too expensive. Especially considering that you could get almost 4 years of Disney+ for that money, and watch the 4K versions that way.

It also seems weird to put both the 4K and HD versions in the same massive set. If you have a 4K player you don’t need the HD discs and if you don’t have one you’d only want the HD discs. This way it just makes it unnecessarily expensive and probably physically huge as well.

if you don’t care about quality then, sure, you could get 4 years of Disney+.

Remember, you own nothing with Disney+ and you’ll have to subscribe for the rest of your life to get those movies. AND you have to hope they don’t ever remove those particular movies.

I’ll never understand anyone’s interest in something that’s streaming only. That gives the studios the power.

Also, if you look at all 4k releases, they always come with the regular HD versions. Disney never includes any bonus features on the 4k discs, including commentaries. That means that if you want any of that, you have to include the HD disc.

I give this all the likes.

Traveller said:

The sequel trilogy seems to end in the same place Jedi did. So what exactly was the point.

$$$

CatBus said:

Hal 9000 said:

All them discs and no OOT?

Angry Yoda sounds

Water, water everywhere,
Nor any drop to drink.

Drink that salty brine — DRINK IT!!!

IlFanEditore said:

So… Palpatine had a son. When? With whom? And why?

Z6PO said:

I think the problem with the new Wampa is that it’s a guy in a suit and he’s not a very good actor. And we see it far too much!

That and the mask is too dissimilar to the puppet utilized in the attack scene. I know there was discontinuity between the mask/puppet in the theatrical version, too, but there it’s a “blink and you’ll miss it” moment the casual viewer won’t notice. Here, we linger on the ugly mug long enough to notice the difference.