DuracellEnergizer

No. His only friend was his ice cream maker. Its name was Hank.

Neither the OT nor the EU were butchered to conform to the Holiday Special or include “holidayisms”, so your argument is invalid.

chyron8472 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

Are you seriously asking if Vader is unquestionably evil?

Vader wasn’t unquestionably evil. He was pretty evil, but “there was still good in him.”

Star Wars seems to divorce students of the Dark Side from their former selves, from the perspectives of both Ben Kenobi and Vader himself (and Luke, now that I remember “It’s the name of your true self, you’ve only forgotten.”) That is, Vader was unquestionably evil—evil enough to hold Captain Raymus Antilles in the air by his head until his neck snapped under his own body weight, among other things—but the good that is Anakin is still buried in there somewhere. Once Anakin was redeemed, Vader was defeated.

If what you were asking was if Vader is able to control the Force itself and to manipulate it to his own designs, such a topic moves out of the films and into books. I haven’t read Vader-centric books like Lords of the Sith, for example, but Sith-centric books I have read (like the Darth Bane trilogy and Darth Plagueis) seem to suggest that to be lukewarm with the Dark Side is to be limited in one’s force abilities or their effectiveness. This is in part why Kylo Ren was only mediocre in his saber battle against Finn and Rey, for example. According to Darth Bane’s take on the Dark Side, Kylo Ren should have fueled his use of the Dark Side by focusing on the pain in his side from the blaster wound. The physical pain should have aided him, not hindered him, were he proficient enough with the dark side of the Force.

This right here is why ROTJ is puerile, simplistic crap and only a harbinger of the things to come with the prequels.

No. This is why Return of the Jedi is a classic adventure film.

This is why I don’t want any hypothetical children of mine to become SW fans. They’ll be introduced to the movies and love them, warts and all. But then they’ll grow up. They’ll realize the world is rarely black and white. This will inform their tastes. They’ll cease to love SW, warts and all, and long for SW to evolve beyond the black-and-white mold. But SW won’t evolve. Then they be like the Jovian moon Io – stuck between opposing heavenly bodies, the rope in an everlasting game of tug-of-war – and they’ll grow to resent SW and rue the day they ever became fans of SW.

Bergman isn’t nearly so stressful.

• The Empire Strikes Back – 9/10
• Star Wars – 9/10
• Rogue One – 8/10
• The Force Awakens – 6/10
• Return of the Jedi – 5/10
• Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure – 5/10
• Ewoks: The Battle for Endor – 5/10
• The Clone Wars – 5/10
• The Phantom Menace – 4/10
• The Star Wars Holiday Special – 3/10
• Attack of the Clones – 2/10
• Revenge of the Sith – 2/10

Now with more __/10 ratings.

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

my understanding of the Dark Side is that to become a master of the dark side of the Force—not just able to use it, but to control it and to bend it to your own will—becoming unquestionably evil is pretty much a requirement.

Does Vader fall under that?

Are you seriously asking if Vader is unquestionably evil?

Vader wasn’t unquestionably evil. He was pretty evil, but “there was still good in him.”

Star Wars seems to divorce students of the Dark Side from their former selves, from the perspectives of both Ben Kenobi and Vader himself (and Luke, now that I remember “It’s the name of your true self, you’ve only forgotten.”) That is, Vader was unquestionably evil—evil enough to hold Captain Raymus Antilles in the air by his head until his neck snapped under his own body weight, among other things—but the good that is Anakin is still buried in there somewhere. Once Anakin was redeemed, Vader was defeated.

If what you were asking was if Vader is able to control the Force itself and to manipulate it to his own designs, such a topic moves out of the films and into books. I haven’t read Vader-centric books like Lords of the Sith, for example, but Sith-centric books I have read (like the Darth Bane trilogy and Darth Plagueis) seem to suggest that to be lukewarm with the Dark Side is to be limited in one’s force abilities or their effectiveness. This is in part why Kylo Ren was only mediocre in his saber battle against Finn and Rey, for example. According to Darth Bane’s take on the Dark Side, Kylo Ren should have fueled his use of the Dark Side by focusing on the pain in his side from the blaster wound. The physical pain should have aided him, not hindered him, were he proficient enough with the dark side of the Force.

This right here is why ROTJ is puerile, simplistic crap and only a harbinger of the things to come with the prequels.

Perhaps it’s time I clarify that I’ve never seen MLP. Perhaps I’d like it if I saw it, but the character designs look hideous, the fanbase irritates me, and I hate Flash animation, so I never will.

Ugh 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I hear alternate timelines are the default excuse in vogue these days. . . .

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

My problem with Ren really is that he isn’t menacing. He’s dangerous, yes, but he lacks the underlying menace that is embodied in most of the other films’ villains up to this point. He’s not just a hothead; he’s… he’s a kid with unimaginable powers and a massive chip on his shoulder, rather than being a dark and unquestionably evil soul.

Being dark and unquestionably evil is boring at this point.

It was boring back in '77, too. TESB’s infusion of gray to the black and white was a breath of fresh air.

Too bad ROTJ squandered the potential with Darth Bipolar and Emperor Henrietta.

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Frozen.

It’s not my favorite Disney film. At all. It has its moments, but the plot begs for more backstory and explanation of early story contrivances regarding the Elsa character; the movie’s message of female empowerment does not speak to me personally; and the true villain of the story turns out to be rather ineffectual, and not in an amusing or comical way. The film is not actually about the villain at all, who is really more of a side character to the plot.

The thing that bothers me about Frozen doesn’t even have anything to do with the movie itself, it was the movie’s damn ubiquity. I don’t have a problem with merchandising, but sometimes it gets to the point where it’s just too much, and I think that happened with Frozen. It came out in 2014 and I still see commercials for Frozen toys. See also: Minions.

Let it go

ITFY

Ugh.

My love for Disney died when their desire to make traditionally animated films died.

Wrong thread, but I approve anyway.

TV’s Frink said:

Grievous was a silly cartoon, only missing a mustache to twirl. I don’t see how anyone can see him as credible or menacing.

Dooku was better but only because it was Christopher Lee. And during the parts where it was a stuntman with a lighsaber and a bad Lee photoshop head it was worse.

It’s true. All of it.

“Last night, Darth Vader came down from Planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn’t take Lorraine out, that he’d melt my brain.”

To play devil’s advocate, he is a fanboy of his grandfather. . . .

Possessed said:

I’m leaving this place because every post made by oojason since he became a mod pisses me the fuck off and has made this site into a watered down version of what it was. I understand not being able to actually insult people, but you can’t even pretend to insult people as a joke anymore. What the fuck? This place used to be fun. I’ll possibly still stay in touch with people I have pm threads with. Unless of course I get banned for daring to be unhappy with something Jason said and can’t access pms. Toodles.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Should I have kids, I probably won’t deliberately expose them to SW. It’s just not worth it being a SW fan. Instead I’ll show them stuff by Bergman and Kurosawa and co. and try to get them interested in classic foreign films.

I’m going to amend this.

I’ll expose my kids to arthouse and classic horror films. Then, when they’re older, I’ll bring on the foreign films.

As for Star Wars, I’ll show them the theatrical version of SW. If they like SW, then I’ll show them the theatrical version of TESB. If they like TESB, I’ll neglect to tell them about ROTJ and let them assume a third movie was never made.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

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Good. Good.

ZigZig said:

So much better than this tiny weak story about a “Force” whom I don’t even know the last name…

It’s “Majeure”.

suspiciouscoffee’s signature said:

an irredeemable, hellbound faggot

*sigh*

Mfm’s no troll. Crotchety? Sure. Channels Patrick Bateman? From time to time. But a troll?

Since I neglected to say this earlier. . . .

Possessed said:

Ian as Emperor is neutral

Put him in “H”!

I forgot what this thread’s about. Leia’s taste in men?