Dreamaster

poita said:
Your monitor is off because the cave is green, Luke is an Oompa Loompa, and Yoda is CRAZY green.

But the question is Poita… how do you REALLY feel about it? 😃

My monitor’s not too far off the snow is green there for me too. But it’s blue a few frames before! I purposefully cranked the saturation to see if that snow would change much, and it really didn’t. I have a conspiracy theory that there were two color timings made in film for ESB… which explains why the home release and the grindhouse are so different than your scans and the 16mm release (which was CRAZY blueberry blue!) but I got no real proof. But the other reason I cranked it so hot was I wanted to see just how much color was in that print. Quite a bit.

The colors are NOT consistent from shot to shot, but I don’t currently have the skills like you and Neverargreat to do a shot by shot adjustment, but I still feel like I can get a big enough improvement make it “worth it” overall. Honestly, with time it’s obvious some better releases are going to hit in the future, I am really looking forward to your new scans! Just playing while we wait for the best that’s yet to come.

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Are you able to create a LUT for the correction you used for your above frames?

Not exactly… but since I’m using opensource software I can post screenshots of the settings I used and users can run it on their own copy at home.

So getting enough positive feedback I’m going to keep going and work on this some more. Last night I did everything by eye, not even looking at a single source for inspiration… the goal was to bring out as much color as possible and still get decent skin tones. Tonight I will try a different approach and see if I can color match a few sources (Adywan’s Revisted and Harmy’s 2.0) near the end of the film and see how that translates out.

Neverargreat I hadn’t seen your LUT, you definitely have the right “balance and tones” but heck yeah, I think we can punch it up some more!

As for putting it on spleen… right now the only copy I have to work from is the 720p version. I think there is an ISO release on spleen now of the original? Is that the best one to use? I’d have to make an mkv from it. Plus would I need permission from Willrob or others?

Poita’s new scans of the German ESB got me really thinking… One thing I liked about the Grindhouse was the cave scene is “white” like I remember, but as Harmy once pointed out to me, the Grindhouse is a terribad color reference because it’s so desaturated. So I pulled up VLC Media player and just started tinkering and I sort of “ran into” something… something that I know will be controversial, but I noticed if I cranked up the saturation AND changed the hue… I was getting some very nice results.

So I busted my old freebie standby program, AVIDemux and did a few passes at tinkering. These are screenshots of my second attempt. Seems to be a bit oversaturated still, so I might do a third before I share the settings I used, but here are some screenshot comparisons:

Note the increase in the blue intensity here:

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Making it look MUCH closer to Poita’s new scans. BUT… CHECK THIS OUT!!!

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Luke’s cave still stays mostly white, the way I remember it. 😃

Here are some other examples: (Again, keep in mind, this is one pass across the entire film… I’m actually really surprised at how consistent these came out)

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And my favorites!!

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What do you guys think?

poita said:

I normally don’t respond to that kind of thing, but to stop any speculation, here is Reel1 of the UK print with sprockets, soundtrack and audio.

https://infinit.io/_/37sQqAm

You ROCK Poita.

pleasehello said:

Dreamaster said:

So… I basically “color corrected by eye” near the end… the first photos with Leia and Chewbacca. Then I rendered it out to see how the rest would look. I like most everything except the Luke in the cave. It’s almost like the sequence that takes place around the interior snowspeeder landing bay and luke getting bashed in the face need a separate correction? I’ll let the pros take it from here. 😃

Did you do any DNR on these? Your color-corrected frames appear much less noisy for some reason.
Really like the colors as well by the way.

Aye… I used the Mplayer Denoise 3D HQ filter as well as the Asharp filter. I probably shouldn’t have done that for these comparisons but I really like what they do personally. 😃 And thanks Will and Please!

So… I basically “color corrected by eye” near the end… the first photos with Leia and Chewbacca. Then I rendered it out to see how the rest would look. I like most everything except the Luke in the cave. It’s almost like the sequence that takes place around the interior snowspeeder landing bay and luke getting bashed in the face need a separate correction? I’ll let the pros take it from here. 😃

TV’s Frink said:

I edited out the “favorite humorless posters” comment because I confused you with someone else.

Now I’m a sad panda. A laughing, but sad panda.

TV’s Frink, I wonder if you see the irony of you pointing out other’s bad attempts at humor?

Hahahahahahaha, you are too much. One of my favorite humorless posters here.

😃 The truth is, you and I are probably more alike than different. It’s like trying to jam two negative magnetic poles together.

starwarsfan234 said:

TV’s Frink said:

starwarsfan234 said:

TV’s Frink said:

starwarsfan234 said:

how will this affect adywan’s edit?

This looks like someone who showed up a week late to the joke party. However, based on your post history, I’m guessing you are either clueless or a sock. The former is pretty likely but doesn’t really explain this particular post, so I’m leaning towards the latter.

yeah i was tying to be funny and i saw people saying that which was funny so i thought i could be funny too if i said that too. sorry for confuseion. also why are you being rude to me in other threads.

I’m not sure, but it’s probably because of the posts you are making.

wahts wrong with them?

TV’s Frink, I wonder if you see the irony of you pointing out other’s bad attempts at humor?

Poita… I’m a little scared you’re going to get mad at me…

It’s a beautiful scan… and I KNOW you’re in the “HOTH IS BLUE NOT WHITE!!” camp… and I know I’m not Dr. Dre… but that entire clip has a strong blue push to it. I’m reencoding it with Avidemux… I’ll post some comparison screenshots when it’s done?

Williarob said:

yoda-sama said:

Still, what front page do you refer to? Have stuff about the project not be front and center on thestarwarstrilogy.com project website or cease traffic on this thread for a while and get it off the short list of active OT.com threads?

Both actually. I don’t want to break any links though, so the only way to push it off the front page at thestarwarstrilogy.com is to post more (unrelated) content, and I’m working on that but it will take a while.

LOL… I foresee a multipage article on TheStarwarstrilogy called “Why I love James Bond”.

To me it’s pretty obvious what’s happened here… for sure the best thing would be to make this entire thread “private” if it’s possible.

I like the suggestion below… Dr. Dre I believe this is the color reference you’re looking for:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Mavimao said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Williarob said:

Due to er… new developments over on the Legacy Edition Site, I’ve decided I’m going to take this project underground for a while. Work will continue as normal, just not so publicly.

I’m not really sure if projects like this one will help or hinder Mike’s quest, but just in case it might do the latter, perhaps we should let this topic slide down the list and off the front page for a while…

what happened?

Nothing bad. Quite the opposite in fact. But I don’t know how much to say…

is it an official release is that what it is if not then why are you being so cryptic?

LOL… Willrob wants the thread to fade but made it so cryptic we’re going to keep bouncing this sucker all night. I checked the legacy website… not seeing any updates. (Though I’ve said that Will I’ll try to not boost the thread again.)

towne32 said:

Blackout said:

“Looks great” is an understatement. Those are, without a doubt, the best grade I’ve seen yet.

Absolutely. Please don’t change a thing!

Agreed… those be the awesome sauce right there.

Mavimao said:

You have my axe!

And MY bow!

Williarob said:

Dreamaster said:

joefavs said:

Maybe some light discretionary grain removal though? SSE had bits that almost looked like television snow. Honor the spirit without hewing so rigidly to the letter, is what I’m saying.

I agree with this… the Tatooine scenes… it’s not “film grain” we’re seeing there. Please consider at least doing the “glob removal” on those scenes.

OK, when I get there I’ll give you some samples and you can all argue over which way to go at that point…

You rock!

joefavs said:

Maybe some light discretionary grain removal though? SSE had bits that almost looked like television snow. Honor the spirit without hewing so rigidly to the letter, is what I’m saying.

I agree with this… the Tatooine scenes… it’s not “film grain” we’re seeing there. Please consider at least doing the “glob removal” on those scenes.

Williarob said:

For your viewing pleasure:
Thoughts?

Phenomenal.

Remember guys… if we’re coming down to minor brightness/contrast/saturation tweaks, all of those are easily adjustable on our video players or displays. What’s most important for Dr. Dre to get right is the levels between red blue and green (or yellow). (And he has clearly done that)

And it looks like from some of the discussion Dr. Dre, we’re finally coming down to the “light bulb” argument/discussion as people are splitting into the “colder/warmer” camps. I can almost foresee there being 4 separate versions of this project: Degrained/True White, Degrained/Warm, Grainy/True White, and Grainy/Warm.

But if we had to choose just one color correction (and I think really we should, LOL), my argument might sound counter intuitive but it would be for the true white version because adjusting warmth from that “center” is a lot easier to re-encode in “freebie” software than to go from yellow/orange to true white. It’s also a one-pass change to the entire film.

My two cents! 😃

DrDre said:

Dreamaster said:

NO Dr. Dre… please for the love of God go back to this one!

Damn you critics! 😉 Hahaha, I might have gone a little overboard with the latest one. I will go back to one of the previous grades.

Just keeping you on the right path brother! JSC match looks great BTW. 😃

NO Dr. Dre… please for the love of God go back to this one!

DrDre said:

Here’s the complete set of warmer regrades:

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nightstalkerpoet said:

I preferred the previous one. Skin tones were better, and the walls had the right color of mint. Plus I thought it added the nice purple blue to R2.

Agreed… Dr. Dre you had it, SPOT ON, careful not to keep searching for the holy grail when you’ve already found it. 😃

DrDre said:

Here are five more preliminary color grades for the 4K video sample Williarob shared in the first post:

OH MY GOD!!!@!!!

/Dreamaster looks around for his time machine so he can just skip the next year and download this as a finished project.

Williarob said:

I like the first one a lot.

I too like his first shot. (For whatever my opion’s worth, LOL)

**Hey Dr. Dre what if we try a reverse psychology tactic?

NeverarGreat, your previews for reel 4 and 5 look pretty good but I’m not convinced you have the colors right for the first 3 reels… could you post previews for those please?

😃 😄

dahmage said:

BibFortunaShotFirst said:

I found this on spleen, but I want to make sure it’s this with NO quality loss. Can you give me the size of the file, please? Thanks!

if you found it there, it should be pretty clear if it is the official release or not.

Ahh… the warmth and love from this forum… /sigh

ANSWER: Size: 20.81 GB (22,343,340,317 bytes)