DrDre

Here are the same shots, where the black levels have been corrected:

Here are eight more shots including a couple of shots, that nicely show the yellow warmth of the Tatooine shots:

RogueLeader said:

So nothing in TFA indicates that she accepted the call to action?

For me choice is about more than a call to action. It’s about motivation. What’s Rey’s motivation for joining the fight, or wanting to be a Jedi, what is she prepared to do, and sacrifice to succeed? What are the personal consequences for her, if she doesn’t succeed? In my view it should be about more than being instantly endowed with great powers, and almost instantly becoming a hero, because of some innate goodness or something, or that the universe turned you into the foil for Kylo Ren overnight. If we look at the end of TFA, I ask the question why does Rey go to find Luke? It seems her personal motivation seems little more than she’s recieved phenominal cosmic powers, and is in search of guidance. If not for those she would likely still be on Jakku waiting for her family. In many ways Rey’s still an empty vessel without any real personality after two films. I hope that changes with episode IX.

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.

Touché, but considering how virtuous, and perfect she is, I take back the cosmic lotery statement, and maintain she was chosen to be the hero:

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”

She is thus her destiny to be the defender of the light, not by choice.

That’s still your interpretation. It was someone’s destiny to defend the light. She made the choice to be that someone.

Little in the films indicate she made a choice to be the defender of the light. She has no motivation to join the fight, or be a Jedi, unlike Luke, who was shown to be bored out of his mind on Tatooine, and wanted to follow in his father’s footsteps, and even then it wasn’t clear whether he would be the hero, or take the quick and easy path. Rey didn’t work for it. It was just, shazam, and she had those powers, and thus became the light to Kylo’s darkness, apparently through the “will of the Force”, or whatever. The original idea behind the first film was, that anyone who put their mind to it, and put in the effort could tap into those powers, and become a Jedi. I don’t see how the ST’s events adhere more closely to this concept, than Lucas’ other films.

DominicCobb said:

You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.

Touché, but considering how virtuous, and perfect she is, I take back the cosmic lotery statement, and maintain she was chosen to be the hero:

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”

She is thus her destiny to be the defender of the light, not by choice.

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Anchorhead said:

As soon as it became apparent that Rey wasn’t Rey Random, she became much less interesting to me. As is the sequel trilogy.

I must have missed that scene.

Rey has been chosen. She’s not a random person, or just anyone at the right moment, and the right time. The ST just replaced a genetic lotery with a cosmic lotery. The idea that any person can tap into the Force and be a Jedi through training, and hard work is as foreign to the ST as it was for the PT.

That’s just speculation.

You don’t choose what family your born into, so I don’t see much difference.

And she’s still random either way.

Being chosen and random are two different things. If it were random, some obnoxious smuck might also have recieved those powers.

DominicCobb said:

Anchorhead said:

As soon as it became apparent that Rey wasn’t Rey Random, she became much less interesting to me. As is the sequel trilogy.

I must have missed that scene.

Rey has been chosen. She’s not a random person, or just anyone at the right moment, and the right time. The ST just replaced a genetic lotery with a cosmic lotery. The idea that any person can tap into the Force and be a Jedi through training, and hard work is as foreign to the ST as it was for the PT.

act on instinct said:

Maybe worth switching over to some other shots at this point? Was helpful at first using the same reference for a while but the slightness between the options can be a little maddening.

The brightness looks a quarter step too high in some places to me, but we all have different displays. I think this has been overall great progress, but I wonder where the rabbit hole ends.

my take:

I haven’t decided yet how bright the image will be. Here’s a less bright and contrasty alternative:

Edit:

I think I prefer this one.

Here’s a larger set and update for the technicolor version:

Here’s an update for the technicolor version:

and a balanced version:

Here are a few samples of a technicolor version I’ve been working on. These bluray frames were regraded by directly using a color corrected scan of the first reel of a technicolor print:

Thanks, and excellent!!! 😃

dahmage said:

devils advocate: but when sunlight filters through snow, isn’t it gonna be blue?

Sure, just not as blue as for the bluray. 😉

Another shot.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/G777NNNX

It took a little while, but here’s another scene.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/E9BJNNNU

LUT:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H6isW9424Ogz2HCjlKjIenzGQLgPejQo/view?usp=sharing

crissrudd4554 said:

DrDre said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

You are aware that those who want the OUT is not restricted to just this site correct?? I’m not saying the market for the OUT isn’t/hasn’t shrinking/shrunk with each passing day but I would not go as far to say this site represents 99% of those who want it. Just because there isn’t others who post about it doesn’t mean they don’t want it.

Hal 9000 said:

I only take issue with Star Wars fans’ opinions when they say they would the OOT not to ever be released alongside the ‘official’ versions.

That would literally be the only scenario it would happen. It ain’t gonna be like E.T. where Spielberg ultimately reversed his opinion and now the theatrical cut is only the available version. The SE’s of Star Wars are here to stay whether we’re happy about it or not. Whether they will coexist someday with the OUT is another story.

I’m very aware, because I’m also active on other boards, and one thing that struck me is, that you often meet the same people who advocate the release of the OOT, while the majority doesn’t seem to care all that much, beyond viewing the OOT as a curiousity, that they might be interested in owning, while their go-to versions will remain the SE. In other words as I said before, the OOT seems nice to have, but not essential to the majority of fans.

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

Here are two more regrades.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/EB0CNNNU

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/EB11NNNU

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

“This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before we started writing the script,” Abrams, who co-wrote and directed both “The Force Awakens” and “The Rise of Skywalker,” told IGN.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/george-lucas-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-1202058551/amp/

Funny image for critics of TLJ:

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/film/content/105409/exclusive-skywalker-saga-4k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

Update (22:20 on 11/04/19): Following a second conversation our contact helped clarify that Disney are working towards delivering something that will “please fans” and that the original material has come from a “variety of source … much of the original film and negative stock was in poor condition even before George worked on the Special Editions” and the restoration team sought out the “best possible version” of each scene within the LucasFilm and Fox archives. The original trilogy 4K remaster was started way back in 2014 and has been through a number of iterations as new alternative/better copies of some scenes have come to light. The print watched by Gareth Edwards has had some improvement since he viewed it but everything other than Episodes II and III has been locked in now.

I liked the trailer. Didn’t think I could get excited again for a Star Wars film after TLJ, but…

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