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#1290919
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverarGreat said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

A puppet being operated by the real villain?

But why have a dime store Palpatine if the plan all along was to use the real thing?

Because that’s how Palpatine operates. Masks, deceptions and lies. Snoke was just a more sophisticated version of wearing a hood and keeping his face in a strategically placed shadow.

That’s a nice in-universe explanation, but in reality it’s almost certain, that JJ intended for Snoke to be the big bad, and when RJ dispatched him, they had to bring back Palpatine in some form to up the ante. Had it been their intention to bring back Palpatine, they would logically have introduced him as the puppet master in a cameo at the end of TLJ. Additionally RJ clearly made TLJ with the intention to break free from what came before, whilst TROS seems to do the opposite promising a whole host of connections to the past.

I have to disagree with your interpretation of TLJ. That is the message that hermit Luke and Kylo Ren share. Both are proved wrong by the rest of the movie’s plot. The end of the movie is about embracing exactly what Luke said they didn’t need before Rey and Yoda brought him back to himself. And Kylo is trying desperately to be bad and be consumed by the dark side and yet he can’t seem to manage it. He’s trying to convince himself that he needs to destroy the past so he can be bad enough. But that is not RJ’s message in TLJ. Luke executes the very single handed battle with his lasersword against incredible odds and creates a legend, reminding Kylo and us that he will not be the last Jedi - meaning he is embracing the past and letting it carry forward. Quite the opposite of breaking free from what came before. And there is no hint that JJ is going to undo anything.

I disagree. TLJ spends most of its time deconstructing the mythology of Star Wars. It then reconstructs it in some form, but not by embracing the past. Luke’s last stand is not a reaffirmation of the reality of his legend in-universe, it is a ruse, which tells the audience, that legends and myths aren’t real, but they can serve a purpose when others choose to believe in them. This is in stark contrast to the OT, where the legend of Luke Skywalker is real in-universe. The Luke of the OT is the guy who really faces down the bad guys with his laser sword, whereas the Luke at the end of TLJ is an illusionist of sorts, intent on perpetuating a legend in-universe, while the viewer has been made aware it is all just smoke and mirrors.

This brings up the question of what Luke’s legend actually was, in universe, after the events of ROTJ.

Is Luke a Jedi and hero who can singlehandedly dispatch an AT-AT with a lightsaber and who blew up the Death Star, who defeated not only Vader but the Emperor in a single stroke? If so, I can see Luke wanting to distance himself from this story since it is rather deceptive.

Or is Luke in the minds of the people more of an aspirational figure whom they know is all-too human, and who only managed to topple an empire due to his compassion and loyalty helped by his powerful friends and family? This is a legend he would probably embrace but it isn’t as alluring to the everyday person so I would bet that most of the galaxy thinks of him as the Jedi superman.

So I think it’s very apt that Luke would act as an illusionist in embracing this admittedly false legend in TLJ. Luke doesn’t ultimately use the lightsaber to defeat his enemies, he throws it away in favor of a more compassionate, human approach. This is now lost to the galaxy in favor of his newly-affirmed legend of Jedi superman, and could be a sinister turn for his legacy and history.

This is precisely my problem. Luke isn’t human or real. That is not the purpose of myths and legends. They are abstractions and exaggerations of our reality, where facing down the whole FO, and coming out on top can be representative of a person in real life overcoming insurmountable odds. When you start questioning in-universe whether it is possible, that David slayed Goliath, you are effectively subverting the myth, and pulling at the threads of the fabric of the story. The Jedi are supermen. The extend to which is irrelevant. Whether they can move rocks, mountains or planets is beside the point, as is their realism. What matters is how these traits are used to tell a story. In the case of the ST, they aren’t just telling a story, they are expanding on Lucas’ story, and so to many people it matters, whether the nine part tale is made of the same fabric.

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#1290912
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

A puppet being operated by the real villain?

But why have a dime store Palpatine if the plan all along was to use the real thing?

Because that’s how Palpatine operates. Masks, deceptions and lies. Snoke was just a more sophisticated version of wearing a hood and keeping his face in a strategically placed shadow.

That’s a nice in-universe explanation, but in reality it’s almost certain, that JJ intended for Snoke to be the big bad, and when RJ dispatched him, they had to bring back Palpatine in some form to up the ante. Had it been their intention to bring back Palpatine, they would logically have introduced him as the puppet master in a cameo at the end of TLJ. Additionally RJ clearly made TLJ with the intention to break free from what came before, whilst TROS seems to do the opposite promising a whole host of connections to the past.

I have to disagree with your interpretation of TLJ. That is the message that hermit Luke and Kylo Ren share. Both are proved wrong by the rest of the movie’s plot. The end of the movie is about embracing exactly what Luke said they didn’t need before Rey and Yoda brought him back to himself. And Kylo is trying desperately to be bad and be consumed by the dark side and yet he can’t seem to manage it. He’s trying to convince himself that he needs to destroy the past so he can be bad enough. But that is not RJ’s message in TLJ. Luke executes the very single handed battle with his lasersword against incredible odds and creates a legend, reminding Kylo and us that he will not be the last Jedi - meaning he is embracing the past and letting it carry forward. Quite the opposite of breaking free from what came before. And there is no hint that JJ is going to undo anything.

I disagree. TLJ spends most of its time deconstructing the mythology of Star Wars. It then reconstructs it in some form, but not by embracing the past. Luke’s last stand is not a reaffirmation of the reality of his legend in-universe, it is a ruse, which tells the audience, that legends and myths aren’t real, but they can serve a purpose when others choose to believe in them. This is in stark contrast to the OT, where the legend of Luke Skywalker is real in-universe. The Luke of the OT is the guy who really faces down the bad guys with his laser sword, whereas the Luke at the end of TLJ is an illusionist of sorts, intent on perpetuating a legend in-universe, while the viewer has been made aware it is all just smoke and mirrors. The fact that RJ chose to have Luke not appear physically on Crait, is the crux of the matter, and is clear evidence in my view, that TLJ does not embrace the mythology, but reframes it in a post-modern context.

Snoke was the bad guy, but when you think about it, we know as little about him as we knew about the Emperor in the OT. He was just a figure mentioned in conversation in ANH. He appeared briefly in a hologram in TESB, and only with his arrival on the Death Star in ROTJ do we really get a feeling of his personality. But we had no back story until the PT. Abrams has been going for that feeling with Snoke - the unfleshed out bad guy at the top. What we get in TROS is going to be something to end the saga (which they have been saying all along that IX was going to do) so who knows what secrets it might reveal. The spoilers have a lot of guesses on Palpatine’s role and there are ways to tie it all in AND tell us more about Snoke if there is a reason to. But he died as backstoryless as Palpatine did back in 1983 (when we had no idea how he came to power or any of his history).

I think we’ve been over this before, but in my view Snoke cannot be compared to Palpatine in the OT. When the Emperor was introduced there was no story. As such there was no need to explain Palpatine’s backstory other than some minimal exposition to provide some context. However, the ST is the continuation of a story, where Snoke has been instrumental in fundamentally altering the trajectory of the story, in essence resetting it. As viewers we are invested in this universe and its characters. It is thus problematic from a story perspective to just pull some extremely powerful new character from behind the curtain this late in the game, and push the reset button, without providing any context, or explanation. As such, I believe, that if TROS intends to connect the saga somehow, it needs to fill that gap in the story, where it explains how some guy we never knew existed was able to somehow reverse three films of story and character development. Reintroducing Palpatine seems like a solution, but the creators also run the risk of further diminishing the resolution of the OT. Of course this in a large degree will depend on the manner of Palpatine’s return.

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#1290817
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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MikeWW said:

DrDre said:

ChainsawAsh said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

Disregarding the TCW series, we didn’t get much in the prequels, and he was in Episode III for barely a few minutes before being de-handed and de-headed. If Sir Christopher Lee had not been cast, Dooku would be forgettable.

I don’t believe that you believe that Dooku and Snoke are equivelant.
Dooku is a character with a smaller role than Snoke, yet we learn more about him.

Dooku and Snoke are 100% comparable. And in 5 years you’ll probably be able to say the same thing about Snoke thanks to books and comics and TV shows - which is exactly how we know anything worthwhile about Dooku.

The thing is, that I wasn’t the biggest fan of Dooku either for exactly the same reasons. You introduce a disposable villain in one movie, and dispatch him in the next with little character development, as was the case for Darth Maul. It was a waste of a very talented actor to be honest, and his portrayal of Dooku contrasted starkly with his presence in LOTR at that time. However, I agree with MikeWW, that more context was provided for Dooku than for Snoke, which makes Snoke a more problematic character for me.

I hate to look a gift post in the mouth but I don’t Lee’s performance in SW was worse than his Saruman, if that’s what you’re implying.

I’m not saying Lee’s performance was worse (he was good in pretty much anything). I’m saying he was given far less to work with to the point that the Dooku character was a waste of his potential, a potential that was on full display in LOTR.

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#1290809
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ChainsawAsh said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

Disregarding the TCW series, we didn’t get much in the prequels, and he was in Episode III for barely a few minutes before being de-handed and de-headed. If Sir Christopher Lee had not been cast, Dooku would be forgettable.

I don’t believe that you believe that Dooku and Snoke are equivelant.
Dooku is a character with a smaller role than Snoke, yet we learn more about him.

Dooku and Snoke are 100% comparable. And in 5 years you’ll probably be able to say the same thing about Snoke thanks to books and comics and TV shows - which is exactly how we know anything worthwhile about Dooku.

The thing is, that I wasn’t the biggest fan of Dooku either for exactly the same reasons. You introduce a disposable villain in one movie, and dispatch him in the next with little character development, as was the case for Darth Maul. It was a waste of a very talented actor to be honest, and his portrayal of Dooku contrasted starkly with his presence in LOTR at that time. However, I agree with MikeWW, that more context was provided for Dooku than for Snoke, which makes Snoke a more problematic character for me.

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#1290796
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SilverWook said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

A puppet being operated by the real villain?

But why have a dime store Palpatine if the plan all along was to use the real thing?

Because that’s how Palpatine operates. Masks, deceptions and lies. Snoke was just a more sophisticated version of wearing a hood and keeping his face in a strategically placed shadow.

That’s a nice in-universe explanation, but in reality it’s almost certain, that JJ intended for Snoke to be the big bad, and when RJ dispatched him, they had to bring back Palpatine in some form to up the ante. Had it been their intention to bring back Palpatine, they would logically have introduced him as the puppet master in a cameo at the end of TLJ. Additionally RJ clearly made TLJ with the intention to break free from what came before, whilst TROS seems to do the opposite promising a whole host of connections to the past.

Unless JJ or RJ bare their souls in an interview, we’ll never know for sure.

No, but we can make an educated guess based on what was stated in interviews, and the trajectory of the story thusfar. What is clear, is that Palpatine’s return in whatever form has played an important part in the marketing thusfar. If this story thread is so important, why introduce it in the wake of the storm surrounding TLJ, rather than as a cliffhanger in the story, where such a reveal would make much more sense?

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#1290770
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

A puppet being operated by the real villain?

But why have a dime store Palpatine if the plan all along was to use the real thing?

Because that’s how Palpatine operates. Masks, deceptions and lies. Snoke was just a more sophisticated version of wearing a hood and keeping his face in a strategically placed shadow.

That’s a nice in-universe explanation, but in reality it’s almost certain, that JJ intended for Snoke to be the big bad, and when RJ dispatched him, they had to bring back Palpatine in some form to up the ante. Had it been their intention to bring back Palpatine, they would logically have introduced him as the puppet master in a cameo at the end of TLJ. Additionally RJ clearly made TLJ with the intention to break free from what came before, whilst TROS seems to do the opposite promising a whole host of connections to the past.

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#1290117
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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All this be as it may, but Shaw hasn’t been seen at the end of ROTJ for 15 years. An entire generation has grown up without Shaw, who’s now a distant memory, so I don’t believe it’s very realistic to expect JJ to put Shaw into TROS. If Anakin appears it will be Hayden Christensen rather than some uncanny valley recreation of Shaw. Let’s also not forget the concept art for TFA featured Hayden, not Shaw. Some here have argued that Disney hasn’t done anything to suggest they consider the SE canon. I think you should flip it around, what have they done to make us believe they consider the OOT canon? The answer is nothing. They re-released the SE in 2015, and from what we’ve heard about the alleged new 4K master for the OT, it’s the SE. If we’re lucky, we’ll one day see a proper restoration of the OOT. However, since we’ve recently seen Lucas still has a say when he approved the 70mm screening, I suspect it will be another bonus disc, where the SE will be 4K HDR, and the OOT on standard bluray. I think we need to accept reality, and the reality is that the SE will be the official canon versions for the forseeable future, and so Hayden Christensen appears as Anakin at the end of ROTJ, and it will thus likely be him, if JJ lets him appear in TROS. If that spoils your enjoyment of TROS, that’s a pity, but I think the ST has introduced far bigger issues in relation to the OT, than having a cameo of an SE character, and even I’m willing to give TROS a chance. If TROS turns out to be a great film, I’m not going to let a cameo by Hayden ruin it for me. I don’t care that much about canon anyway. I care about good stories, and if Abrams can get a great performance out of Hayden, that enhances the story, I’m all for it.

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#1289759
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Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade (a WIP)
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age said:

Good work Dre! Very filmic !
I’ve kept experimenting using the Neverar’s edition at 60% and the bluray with a my single grade at 40%
but I’ve got the issue that they are off sync by 2 frame or sometimes 3 frames.
However this is the result 😃

Link to the album with full res images
https://imgur.com/a/M1wanK1#YT5DsuQ

Looks really good!!! 😃

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#1289263
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4k83 shot by shot color correction (a WIP)
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4throck said:

DrDre said:
The colors were never that consistent throughout the OOT.

It’s simple, they where basically white and what we see are color shifts due to the special effects.
With each photographic pass the film shifts a bit towards yellow, magenta or cyan… Here’s a random image that shows this: https://i0.wp.com/www.coffeewithkenobi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/A-wing-ROTJ.jpg?ssl=1
Notice the Cyan window supports and specially the magenta A-Wing. Each element has a different shift.
Jedi, having more complex effects, suffers a lot from this.

I agree with you to an extend, but in many shots throughout the OT the star destroyers were lit with blue lighting, particulary in TESB and,ROTJ. The color in many shots is deep blue.

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#1288964
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

ATMachine said:

Fine. I guess I’m just supposed to shut up and mindlessly expect the film to be manna from heaven.

Why do I care about Star Wars again?

Nah man relax. Didn’t mean to dissuade conversation that’s my bad. It’s ok speak your mind that’s what it’s about here.

Just want people to be fair. Your sentiment is reasonable I just don’t think its good to assume too much. Especially when it’s this early in the game.

You are one of the most reasonable people on this board. Thanks for that! It’s a pleasure reading your posts, even if we don’t always agree!

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#1288682
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

DrDre said:

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

DrDre thank you for being civilized with your opinions as usual. It makes me angry that not all Star Wars fans can appreciate the ST, and I blame the creators for that. But IMO I do think there is meaningful and valuable storytelling going on thus far. You think that it’s too easy to just blame the fans, I agree with you. But it’s also too easy to blame the “evil kathleen kennedy disney franchise ruining greedy empire” as so many fans have so obviously have stated. Everybody thinks they understand the whole picture. If you look at both directors that being JJ and Rian, from what I have gathered they REALLY do give a shit. I don’t think its fair AT ALL to say none of the new creative vision matters. You can choose to see them as the “evil corporation” ruining my star wars, or you can view it as a group of people who despite common belief were actually given creative freedom. (Or obviously somewhere in the middle) Dre we all know about the modern day remake machine in hollywood, and we know it has infected Disney. But I personally don’t think its fair to say the ST is just a modern remake cash grab. If you personally weren’t emotionally affected by the new stories being told then honestly I wish you were. Dre I know you don’t like the new story, my only hope is that you along with many other fans try giving the story ANOTHER chance. That’s what the movies are ultimately about and its the ONLY reason why they are valuable. Everyone needs to stop carrying in all this extra baggage to these movies which are supposed to bring everybody together (which I know people will find ignorant to say). But this is the last one. Is it too much to ask people for once to stop pointing fingers at each other, come together, and enjoy this classic we all love? None of us would be here on this site if we didn’t have the utmost respect and love for the franchise. My point is, THIS IS IT. The last time we will see these characters we love on screen. The final performance of Carrie Fischer. The end to the saga. The last installment that REALLY MATTERS as far as me or you is concerned. Whether people like it or not, I’m just happy we’ve all had a place to come and discuss this stuff after all these years. I love this site. If anyone has read this far thanks for listening. Peace.

Thanks for your well thought out, and well written post. I don’t think the ST is just a cash grab. There’s inspired stuff and creativity in there, and overall I’m happy this generation can have their Star Wars. I’m cautiously optimistic about episode IX. I’m not expecting it to be the second coming, but an entertaining film nonetheless, and I guess after 40 years of history, that’s not a bad way to end the Skywalker saga.

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#1288665
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

Honestly, that’s about Disney’s live-action remakes of their animated classics. I know that the reviews for their remake of The Lion King are coming out to be quite mixed, but save that for another topic/thread. This is about The Rise of Skywalker, which I can’t wait for. On top of all of that, I do have some thoughts on Galexy’s Edge which I may post in the thread for that at some point.

Actually it’s not imo. The ST thusfar has been a reimagining of the OT very much in the vein of Maleficent, or Alice in Wonderland. So, while it’s not a shot by shot remake like Lion King, I think it fits the nostalgia driven mold that Disney has created very well. Now that Palpatine appears to be back, it looks like in TROS we’re going to see the same evil defeated again in an Empire vs rebels scenario very similar to the OT with another fallen Jedi apprentice likely to redeem himself destroying old Palps. Now, I hope and expect there will be more new elements than in the previous two films, but it won’t alter the fact that the ST has thusfar followed a very similar trajectory as the OT, and thus my points stand.

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#1288647
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

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#1288340
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4k77 - shot by shot color grading (a WIP)
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Eddington said:

I have two questions DrDre.

  1. How your color graded version will be superior to Sanjuro’s color graded version? I’m asking because version 1.4 seems to have really good colors. It looks like a definite version (when it comes to colors). So much improvement compared to the original 1.1 release. I’m just wondering how in this case color grading could be better, but I suppose it could 😃 Or will it rather be a matter of personal taste and preferences and the changes will be really minimal?
  2. When can we expect your version? This year? Can you give us a month +/- ?
  1. Of course there’s always a degree of subjectivity, but my version is meant to be accurate to 35mm print colors, whilst also minimizing shot to shot inconsistencies. I don’t think Sanjuro intended his version to be accurate to the theatrical colors, although I agree his colors are a massive improvement over v1.1. I also think a shot by shot correction takes a lot of time, and whilst I am impressed by what he achieved in such limited time, ultimately there’s only so much you can do given the time frame.

  2. It’s difficult to give an estimate. First my color grade for 4k83 will be finished, which I expect to be done in a number of weeks with the color references finished, but like I said color correcting each shot individually takes up a lot of time, so it will be many months before it’s done.

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#1287743
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4k83 shot by shot color correction (a WIP)
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TK-949 said:

Imho, the ships in the first scene were always too grey/blue since the Special Edition. The Stardestroyers had a slight beige tone while the other ships were bluish grey. And Endor had a little bit of green. So I fiddled a little bit with a 4K83 screenshot. Maybe the TIEs are a little bit too purple. What do you think?

The colors were never that consistent throughout the OOT. The only film to more consistently feature beige star destroyers was ANH, and even there the tractor beam shot featured a blue star destroyer, or more likely a beige star destroyer lit with blue lighting.