Dr. Krogshöj

Hal 9000 said:

The answer to that is that the Rey Nobody version of the scene already has a great deal of sentence mixing, so I wanted to avoid pushing our luck with a viewer.

Glad you enjoyed it, man!

All the audio changes are seemless in that scene, in both versions. The only thing I felt out of place was actually Adam’s slightly weird delivery of the words “have his power”, but that issue exists in the original.

Just came back to watch the Rey Nobody version (I know it’s been out for a while but life is busy and I have an on-and-off relationship with Star Wars). I have to argue with the “editor’s opinion” that it doesn’t hold up as well as the primary version. It is pretty seemless, although it makes for a slightly less dramatic film.

All in all, it’s still possibly the greatest fan edit of all time, although combing through the change list one more time, it’s more like a special edition than an edit, with all the amazing FX and audio work that went into it, and all the subtle changes that just take this film to another level.

One thing I don’t get (sorry if it’s been addreseed) - in Rey Nobody version, why isn’t Kylo’s hangar line canged to “We’ve become a dyad in the Force"? from “We’re a dyad in the Force?”

Hal 9000 said:

• Add to Rey’s Force vision several overt mentions that she is Palpatine’s granddaughter.

Now that is funny - that being said, I can’t help but wonder if adding even more clues about Rey’s parentage to TFA and TLJ would improve the trilogy’s cohesiveness as a whole. I don’t have any concrete ideas though - maybe some Ochi flashbacks or some sort of Sith imagery in Rey’s first Force vision, or maybe altering Kylo’s lines in TLJ talking about her parents.

It was a great watch. Maybe some voice-overs were superfluous (the baton stormtrooper; Han and Kylo on the bridge), but otherwise flawless for me.

Watching this movie again after so many years made me reassured that JJ Abrams is a cinematic genius, one of the great visual storytellers of our time. If he worked together with someome who had a vision of a story they actually wanted to tell, it could have been a great sequel trilogy.

Whenever he relents from the pace and allows himself a bit of time for world-building, it’s captivating. Rey’s daily routine on Jakku is still the best sequence of the ST for me. And it’s greatly helped by this edit. Removing Unkar Plott’s dialogue allows the film to tell Rey’s backstory without a single line of dialogue. Brilliant.

The dialogue, the humor, the sense of adventure work great in this film and the little trims here and there help that tremendously.

Everyone seems to agree that Starlight/Rekindled/Ascendant is the best version of the sequel trilogy. I have seen Starlight and Ascendant, so I would appreciate a link to Rekindled as well. Thanks in advance!

Okay, I got it. I agree that the lot of them would not have made sense, I specifically only missed Qui-Gonn. I am also surprised that Qui-Gonn did not appear as a Force Ghost in the saga - but apparantley he didn’t.

It is weird that Force Ghosts didn’t occur for thousands of years of Jedi and Sith activity - but I guess George Lucas really felt the need to explain the origin of everything in the prequels…

I would love to check this out. Can I get a link, please? Thanks!

Just watched the edit last night, great work on everyone’s behalf - mainly Hal 9000 of course.

I am sure this was discussed over the previous 600 pages, so apologies for asking, but I am curious about the addition of the Force ghosts in the final scene with Rey and Palpatine. I sort of missed Mace (it would have been poetic justice for him to be there during the final defeat of the person who killed him) and Qui-Gon. I think Mace is missing because he didn’t know how to Force Ghost, but I’m pretty sure Qui-Gon came up with the whole thing?

I took a year off from Star Wars (again). In the meantime, I seem to have lost my bookmark to Hal 9000’s treasure trove on Google Drive, and would now be thankful for a link. It seems a lot was done during the past 12 months by Hal and others in the community, and based on the cutlist, it looks like an impressive project.

I image neutral systems as being members of the Republic with representation at the Senate, and the intent to stay in the Republic, unlike the Separatists. However, they think other members should be able to leave the Republic if they so wish, so that’s why they don’t support the war effort.

Having finished the new season, I am very disappointed. Season 1 in my opinion was MILES better.

Season 1 was an entertaining space Western series with with a simple main story of a traditional masculine warrior archetype developing paternal feelings for a child, complemented by some fun self-contained side quests. It offered a glimpse into a culture previously unexplored in Star Wars films. Its limited scope, patient pace and focus on quiet character moments instead of over-inflated set pieces and heavy-handed thematic messages made it almost unfashionably old-school and thorougly enjoyable for every audience. It was also refershingly original for a Star Wars (despite some unavoidable fan service).

Season 2 had its nice moments in the first two episodes, but then it largely succumbed into unabashed, full-time fan service with little room for anything else. Instead of introducing new, interesting characters like Kuiil, The Armorer or IG-11, the payoffs focused on the return of characters from other media. You were supposed to cheer for Ahsoka and Bo-Katan and Boba Fett turning up not because they were interesting or said interesting things but because they were familiar from The Clone Wars / the OT. It was rewarding for hardcore fans with a capital F, but that’s my problem. It was a series for the hardcore fans, not for the general audience or casual fans like Season 1 was.

I also felt that the purpose of several episodes/scenes wasn’t to tell a self-contained story or serve the arc of the season, but to set up spin-off series, which turned out to be exactly the case. This is the real Marvelization of Star Wars, which I regret, but I am aware that I am in a minority, and most fans actually want this and will enjoy the myryad upcoming series.

EddieDean said:

Sassy/clever Obi-Wan is always good value, agreed. But in this instance I think it’s more of a gain to cut Loathsom.

I do definitely agree that every lightsaber fight cheapens lightsabers, but like the battle droid voices, they are unfortunately just part of the fabric of Clone Wars. My hope is that even after my edit, TCW and Rebels remain the least good Star Wars TV shows- I’m just trying to up the quality of TCW where it needs it most.

I’ll always try to judge the inclusion of lightsabers (or anything) on their pros and cons- in this case I think Ventress having tricked them is a cool intro for her and adds some threat to the episode beyond just “TANKS ARE COMING”. But I’ll also always stay open to community opinion.

I guess you’re right. Anyway, keep up the good work!

EddieDean said:

I’d really like to avoid Loathsome(?). He’s a very goofy villain.

I think the Ventress stuff is additive though, relatively speaking. Though there’s certainly an argument for dropping… well… almost all of Christophsis.

I take satisfaction from the fact that it’s at least far better than the original movie just since it doesn’t have the Huttlet bits.

Loathsome is a goofy villain for sure, but I at least take some enjoyment from Obi-Wan’s dialogue. It’s refreshing to see Jedi actually do something other than fighting. As for the Assajj/Kenobi/Anakin three-way, Neverargreat pointed out in another thread that every inconsequential lightsaber fights takes away from the mystery and coolness of lightsabers.

Just my two cents though - it’s your edit after all! And it’s definitely better than the original movie with Baby Jabba.

EddieDean said:

I think I’ve fixed my video stream issues. I’ve recreated the complex bit from my S01E02 Mandalore episode, and resynced everything. I’d appreciate some validation on that clip. If that syncs right and has no framerate issues, then that’s the last technical issue solved, and I can get on with more episodes.

https://vimeo.com/496375038

Also, I’m a bit stuck on Bail Organa in my S01E01 Christophsis episode. I’m using his scenes and audio from Cat and Mouse in three places:

1. During Asajj Ventress’ fight with Obi-Wan and Anakin (originally from Hidden Enemy), bombers target Bail’s base, to make it seem like she was a deliberate distraction - I think this works because as soon as Anakin and Obi-Wan head outside they see a landing force has arrived, which emphasises they’ve been duped.
2. At the beginning to the main Christophsis plot from the movie, I take a scouting scene from Hidden Enemy and play Bail’s “help me” dialogue and then have Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about it. Again, I think this works, because you’re now reminded that (1) there’s a large ground invasion force coming, and (2) Bail’s still under pressure so there are emotional stakes.
3. At the very end, as Anakin and Ahsoka fly back from taking out the shield generator and arrive back at the main base, I cut in a shot of Bail saying “Thanks, you saved a lot of lives today” (originally the ending of Cat and Mouse). I don’t think this works perfectly. You can just about get over the fact that the background is a little different because it looks like Bail’s in shadow and there are shadows in the other surrounding shots. But it cuts right into Anakin and Ahsoka talking to Obi-Wan and Yoda without acknowledging Bail. I’d really appreciate if anyone could have a think about options here. I think ultimately if this doesn’t work, I’ll have to take out Bail altogether, cutting the previous two scenes too.

After watching the rough cut, I’m wandering if the scenes from Hidden Enemy and Cat and Mouse add anything at all to the episode. Might it not be easier to just cut Bail altogether? That way, the episode would begin with the droids advancing and Anakin attacking. If runtime ends up short, maybe you could restore the scenes of Obi-Wan stalling with General Loathsome or whatever his name is.

EddieDean said:

Yes - the reason is because in the original, that has narration over it, so keeping it would require the full recreation of audio from scratch. That’s something I might consider in future, as my skills develop, but I don’t want to overload myself right now.

Got it, thanks!

Artan42 said:

The opening of the episode is quite abrupt. I’ve not had time to follow this thread recently so I don’t know if it’s come up before, but a traditional establishing shot of the planet might be better. I know the text has introduced Obi but he still basically appears out of nowhere. the following scenes up until the throne room go by very quickly so even a few seconds of Obi on approach to the planet would fit.

The answer to your question lies above.

EddieDean said:

Right, and here’s the rebuilt intro for S02E02 Mandalore episode.

https://vimeo.com/496397592

With huge thanks to McFibb for his v2 of the intro music!

Please, as before, let me know how you think this flows, in terms of timings, and feeling.

Having now rewatched the beginning of the The Mandalore Plot (S02E12 in the original), there is a shot of Kenobi’s ship exiting hyperspace and him flying towards the domed city on Mandalore. Are there any specific reasons for them to be cut?

Anyway, the intro looks and feels great. The timing of the text is perfect and the music is great too.

Well, I just brought mysfel to watch this film for the first time I walked out of the cinema a year ago in confusion and anger. It needed a year’s dedicated work by Hal9000 and all the contributors to do that. All I can say is that they did what is humanely possible to salvage TROS. We all should be very grateful for the efforts they put in for the ideas and the execution.

Knight of Kalee said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Hi all,

I have put together a watching order up for myself after the first season of The Mandalorian and playing Fallen Order, primarilty to get myself up to speed on lore things related to Mandalore and Dathomir. I consulted every available guide and episode rating list online. This is what I have compiled.

I threw out about 38% of the episodes and arranged the rest into 3 or 4 episode long “chapters”. I have to admit I haven’t been able to watch beyond “Chapter 12” so I don’t know if the rest works at all. Any advice is welcome in that matter.
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I don’t know if you’ve reached that point yet, but “The Lost One” really should come after “The Wrong Jedi”. Also you could sneak in the missing episodes “Heroes on Both Sides” and “A Friend it Need” somewhere before “Dark Empire”.

Thanks for the input! I read good things about those episodes, but since they are not in an arc, I found it difficult to include them. But since posting this, I found an interesting project by EddieDean and I think I will follow his episodes instead of this after all.

EddieDean said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

EddieDean said:

There’s nothing released yet buddy, but stay tuned. I’ve put the current status right at the top of the OP so it’s easy to check, and will update the title as new episodes are released.

Oops, my bad! I will definitely stay tuned.

BTW, I have just posted my own episode grouping/order in another thread that you might find of note.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Clone-Wars-2008-animated-tv-series-general-discussion-thread/id/9823/page/14#1397754

Nice, thanks for the share. I always like to see others’ versions of these, because it helps me to see where the community’s focus is.

Take it with a pinch of salt, I posted this before I actually read through the thread and without watching through the series, just based on guides.

Reading through the thread enhanced my anticipation for the project even more I have to say! I’m with Hal9000, I tried to get into TCW several times, but just couldn’t. (Watching the Mortis arc certainly didn’t help…)

An idea, how about calling the episodes “Chapters” and having a one-word title, like the Mandalorian? I.e.:
Chapter 1 - The Apprentice
Chapter 2 - The Holocron
Chapter 3 - The Pirate
Chapter 4 - Geonosis
Chapter 5 - The Deserter
Chapter 6 - The Duchess
Chapter 7 - The Trap
Chapter 8 - The Academy
Chapter 9 - Assassin
Chapter 10 - The Sisters
Chapter 11 - The Envoy
And so on.

Of course, the different cuts would throw the numbering (my example follows the Continuity cut). Nevertheless, this would tie in with the purpose of the project nicely in my opinion. And I just love The Mandalorian title cards!

Just watched the edit for the first time. I have to say it is the most effective and elegant edit of all of your works, Hal, in as much as as solving the most issues with the least amount of changes. The love story, which was ridiculous in the theatrical cut, is now perfectly serviceable, the pacing is much better, the political exposition is more clear. And as a bonus, you didn’t try to fix the “do everything button” on Padme’s ship. 😉

EddieDean said:

There’s nothing released yet buddy, but stay tuned. I’ve put the current status right at the top of the OP so it’s easy to check, and will update the title as new episodes are released.

Oops, my bad! I will definitely stay tuned.

BTW, I have just posted my own episode grouping/order in another thread that you might find of note.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Clone-Wars-2008-animated-tv-series-general-discussion-thread/id/9823/page/14#1397754

Hi all,

I have put together a watching order up for myself after the first season of The Mandalorian and playing Fallen Order, primarilty to get myself up to speed on lore things related to Mandalore and Dathomir. I consulted every available guide and episode rating list online. This is what I have compiled.

I threw out about 38% of the episodes and arranged the rest into 3 or 4 episode long “chapters”. I have to admit I haven’t been able to watch beyond “Chapter 12” so I don’t know if the rest works at all. Any advice is welcome in that matter.

CHAPTER 1 - CLONE TROOPERS
S03E01 - Clone Cadets
S01E05 - Rookies
S03E02 - ARC Troopers

CHAPTER 2 - MASTERS AND STUDENTS
S02E16 - Cat and Mouse
S01E16 - The Hidden Enemy
The Clone Wars (Christophsis parts only)

CHAPTER 3 - RISING MALEVOLENCE
S01E02 - Rising Malevolence
S01E03 - Shadow of Malevolence
S01E04 - Destroy Malevolence

CHAPTER 4 - WAYS OF THE JEDI
S01E15 - Trespass
S01E09 - Cloak of Darkness
S01E10 - Lair of Grievous

CHAPTER 5 - THE COST OF WAR
S01E19 - Storm Over Ryloth
S01E20 - Innocents of Ryloth
S01E21 - Liberty on Ryloth

CHAPTER 6 - CHILDREN OF THE FORCE
S02E01 - Holocron Heist
S02E02 - Cargo of Doom
S02E03 - Children of the Force

CHAPTER 7 - LEGACY OF TERROR
S02E05 - Landing at Point Rain
S02E06 - Weapons Factory
S02E07 - Legacy of Terror
S02E08 - Brain Invaders

CHAPTER 8 - GRIEVOUS INTRIGUE
S02E11 - Lightsaber Lost
S02E09 - Grievous Intrigue
S02E10 - The Deserter

CHAPTER 9 - DUCHESS OF MANDALORE
S02E12 - The Mandalore Plot
S02E13 - Voyage of Temptation
S02E14 - Duchess of Mandalore

CHAPTER 10 - BOUNTY HUNTERS
S02E17 - Bounty Hunters
S02E20 - Death Trap
S02E21 - R2 Come Home
S02E22 - Lethal Takedown

CHAPTER 11 - WITCHES OF THE MIST
S03E12 - Nightsisters
S03E13 - Monster
S03E14 - Witches of the Mist

CHAPTER 12 - ESCAPE FROM THE CITADEL
S03E18 - The Citadel
S03E19 - Counterattack
S03E20 - Citadel Rescue

CHAPTER 13 - DARKNESS ON UMBARA
S04E07 - Darkness on Umbara
S04E08 - The General
S04E09 - Plan of Dissent
S04E10 - Carnage of Krell

CHAPTER 14 - SLAVES OF THE REPUBLIC
S04E11 - Kidnapped
S04E12 - Slaves of the Republic
S04E13 - Escape From Kadavo

CHAPTER 15 - DECEPTION
S04E15 - Deception
S04E16 - Friends and Enemies
S04E17 - The Box
S04E18 - Crisis on Naboo

CHAPTER 16 - A TEST OF STRENGTH
S05E06 - The Gathering
S05E07 - A Test of Strength
S05E08 - Bound for Rescue
S05E09 - A Necessary Bond

CHAPTER 17 - CHILDREN OF THE NIGHT
S04E19 - Massacre
S04E20 - Bounty
S04E21 - Brothers
S04E22 - Revenge

CHAPTER 18 - A WAR ON TWO FRONTS
S05E02 - A War on Two Fronts
S05E03 - Front Runners
S05E04 - The Soft War
S05E05 - Tipping Points

CHAPTER 19 - DARK EMPIRE
S05E01 - Revival
S05E14 - Eminence
S05E15 - Shades of Reason
S05E16 - The Lawless

CHAPTER 20 - ORDERS
S06E01 - The Unknown
S06E02 - Conspiracy
S06E03 - Fugitive
S06E04 - Orders

CHAPTER 21 - THE LOST ONE
S06E10 - The Lost One
S06E11 - Voices
S06E12 - Destiny
S06E13 - Sacrifice

CHAPTER 22 - THE WRONG JEDI
S05E17 - Sabotage
S05E18 - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much
S05E19 - To Catch a Jedi
S05E20 - The Wrong Jedi

Hi, looks like an interesting project. Can I have a PM?

Looking forward to watching this edit, the first time seeing the film since that disappointing night at the theater last December.

I didn’t care for TROS, but your trailer was amazing. I would love to get a link! Thank you.