Re: the robes recoloring discussion from a bit back, what if Qui-Gon’s robes are brown and black, to mirror Anakin’s? Would be a subtle way to tie the two characters together, and ideally imply more strongly that Anakin has adopted Qui-Gon’s non-traditional and vaguely combative views of the Jedi order.
And George mentioned the title during production on ESB in one of the interviews for the original making of book! At what point did somebody attempt to tell him or did he come to a realization on his own?
I do wonder if there was ever a crawl shot with Revenge.
I’m reading making of ROTJ right now and it’s a an ongoing back and forth. He started out with Return but Kazanjian said it was weak. So then he came up with Revenge, and even though it was stated early on that Revenge wasn’t very fitting, Lucas held on to it throughout production anyway.
One time I was there and saw a Kylo and a Leia making out. So, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Gotta say one of the most baffling things in Star Wars history is how long they held onto Revenge of the Jedi. Like, they held focus groups to test whether Revenge or Return was better. Crazy to me that Lucas didn’t really have much of an issue with using Revenge.
I was surprised by how little I hated this film. Not a great film by any means, but it was refreshing to have a star wars film in which the main protagonist was male
Not enough of those, huh
None that are admirable characters since '83.
So you don’t think the prequels rule?
I was surprised by how little I hated this film. Not a great film by any means, but it was refreshing to have a star wars film in which the main protagonist was male
Not enough of those, huh
Like I said there’s obviously a contingent of hardcore fans who will, in fact, actually skip TROS. Star Wars is massive in a way that allows for “hardcore” fans of vastly different varieties. The question is whether there are fans who say they’ll skip, but are open to being persuaded to go based on the quality of the Mandalorian. These fans, I believe, will see it anyway, regardless of their thoughts on an unrelated TV show. Anyone who could reasonably considered a “hardcore fan” will know that Mandalorian has essentially no creative overlap with TROS, so whether they see TROS will not be affected by their reception of the Mandalorian.
You can make the argument that overall excitement and appreciation for the Star Wars brand can positively influence the box office of TROS, but then I’d argue that’s the sort of thing that’d only really affect the casual audience members. Maybe we’re into semantics now, but if you’re a hardcore Star Wars fan, at this point you know whether you’re going to see TROS in theaters or not.
Ultimately it’s a rather silly thing to discuss, because in the end there’ll be no way to tell definitively the effect one way or the other.
When Mon Mothma reveals that the Emperor will be on the Death Star, the guy behind her has what seems like a really animated reaction to this news, turning his hold body to look at someone else.
I personally won’t see TROS in the theater. I didn’t go to TLJ either.
No doubt there are what could be called hardcore fans who have no interest in the St altogether. But here’s my question, for someone like you, would watching and enjoying the Mandalorian make you more likely to see TROS in theaters?
Hardcore fans are going to see TROS either way. Mandalorian will have nothing to do with it.
The question was specifically about fans who were polarized and not going, I think this thread alone shows you can both be a hardcore Star Wars fan and still be unwilling to see TRoS, at least in theaters.
Does it? Are there hardcore fans in this thread who are unwilling to go? If so, I’d love to hear if Mandalorian would make them more likely to because I don’t understand that line of thinking.
I don’t understand the idea that’s constant floated around here that people will only see the new Disney Star Wars thing if they liked the last one, these are separate projects and audiences are generally smart enough to understand that. Anyway, if the reception of a previous project will determine the success of the next, by that metric shouldn’t Mandalorian be in potential jeopardy because of Solo and TLJ? No. The truth is Mandalorian will do big numbers, but they will obviously nothing compared to TROS, and neither will have much to do with the other.
Well, considering there originally was going to be a Mandalorian based movie and now we’re even getting the same treatment for the upcoming Kenobi series I would say yes it is a factor. Really isn’t just about a single movie either it’s the whole direction of the brand and how fans feel about it. I agree the two projects won’t have much to do with each other, another way to say that is you could pick one without needing to see both. The question is does that satisfy the split (however hypothetically large or small) within the demographics of fans who are happy/unhappy with the ST, or lead to greater fracturing or at least compartmentalizing between the groups and respective content?
Mandalorian was not going to be a film. The Boba Fett movie was a separate project.
If anything Mandalorian is a risk for TROS’s potential. We’ve never had live action Star Wars on the small screen, and Mandalorian looks to be feature film quality. If audiences see that they can just get Star Wars in the comfort of their living room, they might be less incentivized to go out for it. But again, that’s not hardcore fans, who will show up either way.
It is part of the broader theatrical vs streaming conversation, for sure. Truly I don’t have the answer, was trying to leave room for opinion, I really can’t say if the Mandalorian undercuts IX or hypes everyone up for more after they’ve completed the first season. My point though being the success or failure of any of these projects does influence the surrounding universe movies and their potential future.
For hardcore fans I don’t really believe that’s true for the most part.
Hardcore fans are going to see TROS either way. Mandalorian will have nothing to do with it.
I don’t understand the idea that’s constant floated around here that people will only see the new Disney Star Wars thing if they liked the last one, these are separate projects and audiences are generally smart enough to understand that. Anyway, if the reception of a previous project will determine the success of the next, by that metric shouldn’t Mandalorian be in potential jeopardy because of Solo and TLJ? No. The truth is Mandalorian will do big numbers, but they will obviously nothing compared to TROS, and neither will have much to do with the other.
If anything Mandalorian is a risk for TROS’s potential. We’ve never had live action Star Wars on the small screen, and Mandalorian looks to be feature film quality. If audiences see that they can just get Star Wars in the comfort of their living room, they might be less incentivized to go out for it. But again, that’s not hardcore fans, who will show up either way.
It’s funny because if you read what he says he’s not at all saying it’ll touch on the subject besides in the most general, vaguest possible way. Essentially the galactic political situation just seems to be relevant insofar as to explain that it’s like the Wild West. Which is to be expected in a show about bounty hunters. I’d be surprised if it went beyond that (at least in the first season).
Whoever said the show was about the origins of the First Order? I sincerely doubt that’d be the case.
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Given their increasingly monopolized position, the way they’re putting classic Fox films into “the vault” and out of the repertory theaters, not to mention the state of copyright thanks to their lobbying, I’m reticent to give them money for anything.
Listen, I understand what you’re getting at. But if you’re someone who wants to watch this show, this is the way to do it. A boycott isn’t going to accomplish anything, just prevent you from enjoying something you might like.
Yup, if you think a corporation is doing bad things, they’ll definitely change if you give them your money.
Nearly all corporations are doing bad things. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do about that, never see a movie again? Never buy an iPhone or shop at Walmart? Disney doesn’t give a shit.
For the record, I probably won’t be subscribing anyway (I’ll most likely be borrowing someone’s password). Happy?
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Given their increasingly monopolized position, the way they’re putting classic Fox films into “the vault” and out of the repertory theaters, not to mention the state of copyright thanks to their lobbying, I’m reticent to give them money for anything.
Listen, I understand what you’re getting at. But if you’re someone who wants to watch this show, this is the way to do it. A boycott isn’t going to accomplish anything, just prevent you from enjoying something you might like.
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Somewhat random, but I appreciate how the prominence of the lightsabers is inversely correlated with the quality of the installment.
Not sure I buy that TPM is as good as you say. Does remind me though of a chart that accounted for lightsaber ignitions or something along those line which similarly inversely correlated with quality.
I will say on the whole, I don’t know if these will be the actual images we’ll see when Disney+ lunches in the US in a couple weeks, but it’s definitely better than the other artwork we’ve seen. Although it does bother me that the titles for TESB and TLJ are centered and the others aren’t. And, yes, the fact that the ST posters are photoshops and not hand drawn continues to be a disappointment. It would’ve been interesting to see them use the Struzan tease poster for TFA and the Dolby poster (by Paul Shipper I think?) for TLJ just to keep the style somewhat consistent.
But if D+ is anything like Netflix, the thumbnails won’t last very long before they’re changed again, so it kinda doesn’t matter.
I posted this on a PT/OT topic, but I think it also makes sense here, in light of the ROTJ discussions:
Adding color to the Emperor’s shuttle solves the problem of shuttle reuse.
And of course it connects with the red guards.
That’s cool, and very similar to what I imagined. I’d probably go with a lighter shade of red though, one that more closely matched the guards. And I’m not sure how I feel about the red on the wings, maybe it should just be the top wing rather than the sides? Either way a great proof of concept.
I’m experimenting with scene order on ROTJ’s opening and having Luke on Dagobah really works. He needs to become a Jedi master before all that Jaba stuff.
» After Vader arrives, we have the deleted scene of mediation and searching for Luke. We cut to Luke in Dagobah. Like in TESB, Vader can’t sense him there.
» Yoda dies and we cut to the Emperor’s arrival, then back to Obi-wan force ghost. So we have Luke and his “masters”, and Vader and his master.
That’s an interesting idea, though I wonder if it’s pushing the Jabba’s palace stuff too far back. My gut in this scenario would be to really trim down the palace stuff so you get back to what you’re setting up as the main storyline of Luke and Vader.
» Deleted scene where Vader goes to see the Emperor and is prevented by the red guards. Here I must find a way to make clear that Vader is searching for Luke and can’t find him 😉
I’m not sure I understand where that scene would come into play, or how it would relate to finding Luke.
‘STAR WARS CHANGES (Part 1 of 4) — A New Hope’:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn2eD-RI-dc - from the ‘Original Thrillogy’ youtube channel
I haven’t had a chance to watch all of it yet - though looks promising going on the first 4-5 minutes…
(Is it by one of us from here?)
This really needs more views.
…I hope it doesn’t get taken down though.
Hey, thanks! That’s my vid and I appreciate the positive response in this thread. I couldn’t have done it without this site.
There’s a couple of copyright claims against it for the music (I’m assuming from the music in some scenes I let play out in their entirety). Apparently it’s just preventing me from monetizing the video? I’m new to YouTube, but that’s my understanding so far so I think it’s safe for now.
The ESB video is up now, btw. (And Jedi in the works)
Just watching your Return Of The Jedi video now - really great work in the two previous videos for Star Wars and Empire. Nice one!
And I’ll watch the Prequel video when I get some time too 😃
You should consider about making your own thread for your Star Wars Changes videos…
STAR WARS CHANGES (1 of 4) - A New Hope
STAR WARS CHANGES (2 of 4) - The Empire Strikes Back
These are pretty cool, where did the SE behind the scenes stuff come from?
On paper, Rian would seem the obvious next step, considering vs. Feige he’s been developing for years now and his is a trilogy, plus he doesn’t have any other commitments. On the other hand, the Fiege addition is recent and there really haven’t been any updates on Rian’s films besides “still working on it.” I guess it’s impossible for us to know with the incredibly little information we have.
All I’ll say is this: potential bullet dodged.
I’d argue that this is actually a flaw in ANH, and the evidence is in ESB. Part of what makes Luke’s desire to fight Vader so compelling is precisely because he was robbed of this moment in ANH.
So yes, a flaw, but one that ends up working to the trilogy’s benefit overall.
Well that’s a fair argument but I’d nitpick and say it’s not Luke getting the lightsaber that sets that up, but rather Ben explaining his father’s death.
I’ll always argue that SW works perfectly on its own but certainly there’s potential in the Vader storyline that is left unfulfilled (and then later successfully fulfilled in TESB). It is, of course, the one hanging thread of the film.
It’s not a genuine flaw. Story “rules” are not set in stone, and the set up of the lightsaber need not be so strict as to require the lightsaber be involved with its pay off. By which I mean, the lightsaber sets up the Force and Luke wanting to learn it. Then we see him using it to train with the remote. The ultimate pay off is him using the Force to destroy the Death Star. It doesn’t involve the lightsaber sure, but you can draw a straight line in terms of narrative purpose from the saber’s intro to the climax. The article misses the point of Luke’s training, it’s not about him mastering the saber, it’s about him letting go and using his instincts.
Maybe I’m biased because I always loved those original posters, but Serif Gothic always felt quintessentially Star Wars to me (moreso than the fonts used for the later films) and I was very happy when they went back to it.
1917 is starting limited and isn’t gong wide until the following month.
Anyway, competition aside there’s zero chance this makes as much as TFA.
On that topic, I’ve seen every Disney Star Wars movie at a specific theater on opening night and now pretty much EVERY showing is sold out… I even called asking if they’d get more showings and they said that theyre trying to but I’m so sad and pissed right now that I missed getting tickets… I’m an emotional wreck
I wouldn’t worry too much, if your theater is anything like the ones I’m familiar with they’ll be adding plenty more screenings (especially if all the ones they have are sold out).
