DominicCobb

Broom Kid said:

Why not? All they have to do is look backwards. “We have access to cloning. What should we clone. What did they clone LAST time they cloned something. What if we cloned something DIFFERENT?”

The show has already gone, and will return again, to Clone War period. It’s a pretty organic throughline if they choose to follow it. “Find me a Yoda” “We need it alive” “Well, even if we get one dead, I’m sure we can do something with it.”

or maybe I’m off entirely. Probably am. But it seems to me like there’s some built-in parallels there if you tie the protecting of this potential Imperial Target to this guy whose life and culture was irrevocably altered by the events of the Clone War.

I just mean they said it’s 50 years old. Unless that’s just its assumed age and the cloning process makes it age faster.

I don’t think the timeline makes sense for it to be a clone in response to the Jango clones though.

It was alright, short episode so really just a taste. Didn’t feel anything like Star Wars to me but that’s not a bad thing. Stylistically it’s very cool.

theprequelsrule said:

Let’s face it; the worst idea was to do prequels. They should have done sequels way earlier. Ford, Fisher, and Hamill would have been younger and more convincing as action heroes, and Lucas would probably have respected their input.

He didn’t when he made the OT, not sure why that would change if he made more.

I expected them to get rid of the 20th Century Fox logos entirely, for consistent branding with the other films. I’m honestly not sure why they didn’t.

Doubleofive’s got the definitive collection of SE visual changes, but does anyone have a list of audio changes? I honestly don’t even know what 90% of them are.

RogueLeader said:

Especially with his disagreements with some of Kershner’s decisions, I doubt it. ESB went overbudget and he didn’t want that to happen again, which I’m guessing is partly why he had a tighter grip on ROTJ.

Yes that’s exactly the case.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

act on instinct said:

DominicCobb said:

act on instinct said:

I don’t agree with Kasdan’s take on ROTJ but I do think they blinked and if anything could truly be undone I would have wished Gary Kurtz never left, but that’s not really an idea so instead I’ll go with Leia really shouldn’t have been so sidelined in ROTJ.

I think the truth of the matter is having Kurtz around wouldn’t have changed much. Most of the issues present in ROTJ were brought up in the Lucas/Kasdan/Marquand/Kazanjian story meetings. The fact is that Lucas was calling the shots, and Kurtz would have ultimately acquiesced to him, same as the others (the reason TESB is great is because Kurtz basically let Kershner do what he wanted, not because he was keeping Lucas in check).

I’d want Marquand out too, no offense Marquand, but he was less of a creative drive whereas having Kurtz around just on set was another layer of someone who really did understand the story, certain silly things might have been averted but we’ll of course never know, and of course I still think ROTJ pulls it together by the end, just not quite firing on all cylinders to the degree I’d qualify the first two.

It’s kind of a chicken or egg thing though. If there was a better director with a stronger vision for the film (like Kersh for TESB), it would have been a better movie. But would Lucas have hired such a director?

After his falling out with the DGA over Kershner’s credit placement in ESB, a good number of directors he could have hired (like Spielberg) were unavailable to him.

While true, there was plenty of talent outside of the union, so Marquand wasn’t the only option.

Arguably were it not for Marquand’s lobbying, Lucas might have gone with someone who would have had a stronger vision and might have challenged him more. I mean, Lucas did pick Lynch first, before he turned him down. You could easily point out as well that Lucas’s co-directing on that movie was as much because of Marquand’s wishes as they were George’s - Marquand did request he be on set most shooting days after all, which Lucas had not planned to do.

So yeah, I guess I probably do wish the film had a better director (not that I hate what Marquand came up with).

act on instinct said:

DominicCobb said:

act on instinct said:

I don’t agree with Kasdan’s take on ROTJ but I do think they blinked and if anything could truly be undone I would have wished Gary Kurtz never left, but that’s not really an idea so instead I’ll go with Leia really shouldn’t have been so sidelined in ROTJ.

I think the truth of the matter is having Kurtz around wouldn’t have changed much. Most of the issues present in ROTJ were brought up in the Lucas/Kasdan/Marquand/Kazanjian story meetings. The fact is that Lucas was calling the shots, and Kurtz would have ultimately acquiesced to him, same as the others (the reason TESB is great is because Kurtz basically let Kershner do what he wanted, not because he was keeping Lucas in check).

I’d want Marquand out too, no offense Marquand, but he was less of a creative drive whereas having Kurtz around just on set was another layer of someone who really did understand the story, certain silly things might have been averted but we’ll of course never know, and of course I still think ROTJ pulls it together by the end, just not quite firing on all cylinders to the degree I’d qualify the first two.

It’s kind of a chicken or egg thing though. If there was a better director with a stronger vision for the film (like Kersh for TESB), it would have been a better movie. But would Lucas have hired such a director?

RogueLeader said:

flametitan said:

At least for me, while that’s definitely the way it feels it should be taken, how it was received by the audience seems off. While I can look at it and go, “Yeah, if the Jedi have lost their way, it makes sense,” a lot of the fans I’ve interacted with, (and significant chunks of Legends Continuity) seem to have taken it as not just, “The way Jedi are,” but inherently part of the Light Side of the Force.

I’m of the belief that the films missed the mark on what they wanted Jedi to be, but that I can at least see what it was aiming for.

Yeah, I think that is fair point! I think a way future stories could alleviate the discrepancy between the Prequel-Jedi and how fans saw Jedi before the prequels would be to have a story set in the Old Republic that shows how the Jedi transitioned into fundamentalism. Maybe the Jedi of the past had more freedom and were more swashbuckler, but maybe one or several Jedi fell to the dark side due to their attachment and the war that followed really wreaked havoc on the galaxy. And this conflict caused the Jedi to re-evaluate their code and they reacted by becoming more dogmatic and traditional (raising Jedi from birth, no possessions, monk robes, etc).

It could be one way to handle it at least.

I agree and hope this will be explored. In fact, TLJ seemed to touch on this very thing.

I think it’s a good idea, but in practice it comes across as a bad idea because it never properly becomes part of the story.

act on instinct said:

I don’t agree with Kasdan’s take on ROTJ but I do think they blinked and if anything could truly be undone I would have wished Gary Kurtz never left, but that’s not really an idea so instead I’ll go with Leia really shouldn’t have been so sidelined in ROTJ.

I think the truth of the matter is having Kurtz around wouldn’t have changed much. Most of the issues present in ROTJ were brought up in the Lucas/Kasdan/Marquand/Kazanjian story meetings. The fact is that Lucas was calling the shots, and Kurtz would have ultimately acquiesced to him, same as the others (the reason TESB is great is because Kurtz basically let Kershner do what he wanted, not because he was keeping Lucas in check).

Anyone know if this is on Disney+ and if so if they have all the up to date episodes? Wondering if they’ll end up there as they air, would be nice to finally watch on my TV (one of the reasons I’m behind).

Honestly, I’ve thought it many times, but if George had released ANH in 3D instead of TPM it would have made bank. Probably could’ve really helped the franchise long term with the Chinese audience as well.

RogueLeader said:

POTENTIAL JEDI: FALLEN ORDER SPOILERS

Some datamined files from Jedi: Fallen Order over on r/StarWarsLeaks seems to show an image that all but confirms that the Jedi world of Ilum is Starkiller Base. This image appears to be Ilum around the height of the Empire.

Maybe this could be shown on one of the blank view screens in the Emperor’s throne room in ROTJ?

This is a really cool idea (regardless of whether that’s legit info from Fallen Order or not).

Another idea I really like is the proposed shot of Star Destroyers lightspeeding away from the Battle of Endor, although I wonder where one would intend to put such a shot in the sequence.

Something I’m curious about is if Disney+ has multiple versions of any film. The best way to check in my mind would be to see what they have for Avatar.

You know, the more I think of it, obviously it’s a stupid change that makes the film worse, but actually it does make Greedo firing first make more sense. Originally the two just happened to fire at the same time. But now Greedo is presumably saying something like “I’m gonna shoot ya” which makes the SE change make more sense (as dumb as it is).

dgraham414 said:

Empire of Dreams is different. I don’t have a comprehensive list but the one example I know of for sure is that the Anthony Daniels is talking about George waddling during the filming of ROTJ and they walk up to Jabba’s palace they replaced the original shot with the 2011 shot with the expanded door.

JEDIT:
One other obvious change is when they talk about Williams recording the music for ANH they replaced the original shots with the SE shots. It seems whenever they show clips from the movie it’s all the 2011 master

I assume it’s in HD? The simple assumption is that if they did an HD version of it that they were using the HD versions.

I’m curious how the other films fare. DNR on TPM? Teal tint on AOTC? Wipe or hard cut in ROTS?

Well I’m only looking at screenshots but the color timing does seem to be better than the BD (low bar of course). I think the hope will be that next year when the discs come out that that yield enough quality to be helpful for the DEed.

The change doesn’t make any sense. There’s seemingly no reason to make such an alteration, and it only serves to make the scene worse.

Therefore, it would seem the culprit is obvious.

Seems weird that they’d use the modern LFL logo but leave in the Fox logo.

Very curious to see what the movies look like.

Re: Han’s line, if we are to go by the new canon, he lived the first twenty years of his life in the slums on Corellia. Unless I’ve missed something, it doesn’t seem like any battles during the Clone Wars were fought on that planet, so it’s entirely possible and very likely that he never saw a Jedi. He didn’t leave until ten years after the purge, so it’s doubtful in his travels around the galaxy he would have seen a Jedi (until Obi-wan, of course).

Regardless, it’s too good a line to get rid of.

My best guess would be every episode opens with the ‘long time ago’ title card, there’s a cold open, and then we have a title card that says “The Mandalorian.” Maybe some episodes don’t have a cold open and it goes straight from title card to title card. But I doubt we’ll see any credits until the end of the episode.

The “hiatus” is not a recent development. All that means is that the next Star Wars film won’t be for a few years - 3, to be precise - rather than the one a year we’ve seen since 2015. The next film will be Dec. 2022. This was confirmed earlier this year. They’ve yet to announce who’s making it.

You’ve definitely nailed it sade. I remember even as a kid thinking Anakin’s statements about the Jedi being evil didn’t track. Lucas was obviously combining disparate elements and not meshing them together well, or fleshing them out. I think a lot of us feel the same way, but it can be good to lay it all out like that. The question becomes how can we take what we have and improve in in a fan edit. I know Hal’s take, for instance, is to reduce the prominence of Padme’s potential death, to make it merely the tipping point for Anakin (rather than the primary motivation).

My approach is moreso to take what’s already there and just sand down the bumps, so to speak, with the goal of trying to emphasize that it’s a matter of loyalty between the chancellor and the order. For instance, one change I implemented that I haven’t seen anywhere is simply removing Anakin saying he’d like to kill Palpatine. That way, even though Anakin turns him in, he’s just doing that because it’s what he’s supposed to do as a Jedi. It’s definitely the kind of change I suggest for anyone else doing an ROTS edit.

Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

• The infamous “other.” Suggested edit: “No, there is the other.”

Now that’s an interesting idea. Still doesn’t make a great deal of sense. One imagines Ben and Yoda’s conversation continued after the scene ended.

Ben: That boy is our last hope.

Yoda: No, there is another.

Ben: Wasn’t ‘the other’ part of the group in danger Luke was concerned about?

Yoda: Not sure am I; pay attention to the specifics of what he saw I did not.

Ben: Well, it would seem the two would die or be saved together, wouldn’t you say?

Yoda: MmmmmMMMMM. Right I suppose you were: our last hope that boy is.

In fairness, I think the reason Yoda was willing to give up on Luke after he left was more because of what that choice meant for Luke and his training - not only was he being impatient and reckless, he was headed straight towards Darth Vader, who they hadn’t yet explained was his father. Could have gone a lot worse than it did for him. You could argue that Leia was going to make it out safe anyway and thus would end up the better option.

Obviously the line still doesn’t make sense though, just because Obi-wan knows who the other is. My solution is really the only thing I can think of to make it less weird.