Yeah, that's what I thought. Hamlet and The Thin Red Line came to mind because their posters also had the entire cast on them, alphabetically.
Depends what you mean. I can think of quite a bit of recent ones but the one that comes to mind that's most like that in terms of number of stars would be 1996's Hamlet.
EDIT: just thought of a good one, 1998's the Thin Red Line. Are talking about from a specific time, though?
Or it could be like Fight Club.
Considering my parents hadn't even met yet at the time Raiders came out, I don't think I can really comment on how it looked in 81. But, just thinking out loud here, if there was a orange tint to the original negative, I have a hard time believing it would be so easily absent from the other home video releases (and the sequels for that matter).
TV's Frink said:
DominicCobb said:
TV's Frink said:
DominicCobb said:
Not gonna lie, I legitimately like the ET idea.
It was bad enough in TPM, we don't need it in the OT as well.
That's the thing, though. I liked ET in TPM.
Don't make me beat you with a sack of doorknobs.
It's hard for me to take this thread seriously considering it's one of about 23.
TV's Frink said:
DominicCobb said:
Not gonna lie, I legitimately like the ET idea.
It was bad enough in TPM, we don't need it in the OT as well.
That's the thing, though. I liked ET in TPM.
Not gonna lie, I legitimately like the ET idea.
Doesn't it look beautiful, though?
Preserve the secret that Vader is Luke's father in the PT.
What's that? People think that's a good idea. Wow.
(I [mostly] kid)
Use the deleted scene with the sandstorm. After Luke and Han talk, Luke doesn't go to his X-Wing, he goes to his old house. There, ghost Ben appears, and they talk.
gobalicious said:
Bingowings said:
MrInsaneA said:
DominicCobb said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There's not much of a point to preserving the OT secrets in the PT, especially not if you're trying to create a definitive edit saga.
Exactly. Plus the OT is so ingrained in pop culture there's no POINT in keeping the secrets anymore.
That's like saying the crapness of the PT is so ingrained in pop culture there's no POINT in changing it.
The point is providing a demonstration of the PT as it could have been, and providing an alternative to how it turned out.
It's episodes 1 to 3 so we shouldn't have the surprises to 4 spoiled.
I'd always be interested in seeing a saga edit where the surprises of the OT are preserved, but I fear such doing a thing detracts from the very reasons the story of the PT is so interesting.
To me, the most compelling point of making a PT in the first place is to show the transformation of Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. Hiding that transformation creates a giant hole in the story and will ultimately leave me unsatisfied (unless a clever editor can prove me wrong).
The only compelling argument there is to preserve the surprises is simply because the episodes are numbered 1-6. I view the episode numbers merely as chronological indicators, having nothing to do with a preferred viewing order. Perhaps that is misleading to a first-time viewer, but hopefully other means can be used to convey otherwise.
I've always thought the saga was meant to be viewed for the first time as 4-6 and 1-3. 4-6 is a classic tale that assures us good will always triumph over evil, building our interest in this far away galaxy and its people. 1-3 is a cautionary tale that shows how that evil arose in the first place, having lessons that are close to home. A fun adventure story turns complex and thought-provoking. I fear chopping up 1-3, merely to preserve a supposed viewing order, can damage a better, more complete story.
Yeah, this. Seriously guys, how much would you have hated it if the prequels didn't reveal how Anakin became Vader? A lot, I would guess. But maybe I'm wrong. I thought that was the reason the PT was made in the first place.
Now, I know there's a lot of different stories flying around out there, but there's no way you can say that they made the OT first by mistake. When they put "Episode V" in ESB, it was firstly just a throwback. It didn't imply that you had to watch episodes 1, 2, and 3 first. Then they decided that they were going to make the first three episodes. And you know what? nothing can change the fact that the PT was made after the OT on purpose. Despite what Lucas says, the PT was most certainly made to be seen after the OT.
But okay, I get that you want to make the stupid episode order work. But you know what? That just dilutes the OT in my opinion, and the PT (which you certainly do not want diluted, because, you know, you're trying to make it better).
Here's something I wrote in the "Integrating the two trilogies" thread:
1. I know the twist. You know the twist. We all know the twist. You aren't fooling me by killing Anakin in ROTS.
2. Yeah, but so what right? Well, know. The prequels were made to show us how Anakin became Vader. When I watch the prequels I want to see how Anakin became Vader.
3. Yeah but what about the people who don't know the twist? Who? Kidding. No, I think for people who honestly don't know the twist, showing them a version of the PT that "preserves the twist" before the OT is a mistake. WHY? Because the twist is diluted. HOW? Well, let's see
a. Obi-Wan lied! Oh wait, we already knew that.
b. Anakin turned to the dark side! Oh wait, we already knew that. A significant amount of the twist's shock comes from realizing that Luke's father (that great jedi that Luke is trying so hard to follow) became a sith. Really, without this, you're left with this: Anakin is still alive! And he's this guy in the black suit who showed up and has been in the past two episodes! Yeah, not too shocking.
4. You should really watch the OT first. Or at least make it 4-5-1-2-3-6. Contrary to what Lucas says, the PT was not made to be watched before the OT. The PT would have made very little money if no OT fans saw it. The PT was made with the mindset that "people have seen the OT." I realize this isn't much of a reason, because this is one of the things that people try to fix with fan edits, but I'm just saying I would never show someone the PT before the OT. Even if it was fan edited.
Now I'm going to ease back and say that I don't necessarily mind an edit that tries to "preserve the twist" (it would be interesting to watch [and, by the way, the way to do it is to remove Skywalker from Anakin's name. So we know he's Vader, but we just don't know he's Luke's father]), but if I want to watch a definitive ROTS/PT edit/s, I want to see how Anakin became Vader. Not even if I'm watching 4-5-6-1-2-3 or 4-5-1-2-3-6, but even if I'm watching chronological, I know the twist, so I want to see everything that happens. I don't want to miss out on seeing something just because a twist that I already know is being "preserved."
My two cents.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There's not much of a point to preserving the OT secrets in the PT, especially not if you're trying to create a definitive edit saga.
bilditup1 said
Dominic: did you see it in true IMAX then? Great story. In NYC it's gonna cost us an arm and a leg ($19, plus online 'convenience' fee). That's worth it for Raiders, I think, but in general it's highway robbery (except maybe at Lincoln Square. Still playing 'The Dark Knight Returns' there, if anyone's interested).
Yeah it was a true IMAX in Providence. The fact that it was in RI was probably one of the reasons it was so cheap, the other being that it was a matinee.
Unfortunately it says Indiana Jones but it's still a sweet poster and a nice memento of sorts.
SAW IT AND LOVED IT.
(of course)
Seriously though, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that I just saw Raiders of the Lost Ark on the big(est) screen. My third favorite picture of all time. My favorite filmmaker's best film.
For the last seventeen years I have been blessed with youth. Unfortunately, this also means that I have never been able to seen my favorite movies properly. I was five or six when I first saw ROTLA. And I loved it (of course). Indiana Jones immediately became my number one hero, and he has been ever since. In 2008 I saw him on the big screen, but it wasn't the same.
But this was different. This was Raiders of the Lost Ark! I could construct this film from memory, yet watching it again today it was like watching it for the first time all over agin. But bigger this time!
What a great film too. There's just so much here - a ridiculous amount of exceptional action, set pieces, and everything! This film really is that good!
I am so glad I was able to see this (on a real IMAX screen and for only $11.50), and will (probably) remember this experience forever. I also managed to snag one of those posters, and will be framing it and placing it in my room shortly.
If you haven't gone yet, it's playing through Thursday, so go see it!
Jesus it's a 5 second shot! We're talking about RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK here! IN IMAX! GO SEE IT!
(Kind of annoyed because I might not be able to go because of my work schedule)
But SERIOUSLY guys!
TV's Frink said:
DominicCobb said:
The obvious way to do it would be to have him talk to Palpatine about who blew up the Death Star... especially since they talk about exactly that in ESBSE.
ok,cool then
Yeah, well I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying there's a very simple solution to their conundrum.
The obvious way to do it would be to have him talk to Palpatine about who blew up the Death Star... especially since they talk about exactly that in ESBSE.
No offense: I do find it interesting that it annoys you when things glorify sex and what not, but you didn't really care about the glorified violence in things like Taken. Now, let me get this clear: I do not condone the glorification of either prostitution or violence, and I often times find a gratuitous amount of sex and guns/fighting/blood/etc. in many movies. Here's my point: I can still find a way to enjoy these movies. I don't let these factors get in the way. So what I'm trying to say is: I don't know, try to be less prude? It might let you enjoy movies more.
Just to be clear, I'm only trying to help.
TV's Frink said:
Lebowski sober is still an amazing experience.
Yeah.
The unfortunate thing is if the went with a Batman movie starring JGL (which we all know they won't), it would make perfect sense if it was more detective oriented.
Yeah, I too think it would be cool to see a version that "preserves the twist" and what not, I just don't see why many think it's the definitive way to edit the PT.
As for flashbacks, yeah I think that is a good idea. I actually suggested something like that in the ESB/ROTJ thread. Though I realize there are no flashbacks in any of the SW films, I think a flashback could actually fit in quite nicely, and still feel Star Warsy. And yeah, Ben's chat with Luke would be the best place to put it.
Oh, yeah I forgot about this thread. Maybe it would have been a more appropriate place for my rant in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. What was the rant? Oh, just that I don't think we should "preserve the twist" so to speak. I gave quite a bit of reasons there, but I'll try to summarize here:
1. I know the twist. You know the twist. We all know the twist. You aren't fooling me by killing Anakin in ROTS.
2. Yeah, but so what right? Well, know. The prequels were made to show us how Anakin became Vader. When I watch the prequels I want to see how Anakin became Vader.
3. Yeah but what about the people who don't know the twist? Who? Kidding. No, I think for people who honestly don't know the twist, showing them a version of the PT that "preserves the twist" before the OT is a mistake. WHY? Because the twist is diluted. HOW? Well, let's see
a. Obi-Wan lied! Oh wait, we already knew that.
b. Anakin turned to the dark side! Oh wait, we already knew that. A significant amount of the twist's shock comes from realizing that Luke's father (that great jedi that Luke is trying so hard to follow) became a sith. Really, without this, you're left with this: Anakin is still alive! And he's this guy in the black suit who showed up and has been in the past two episodes! Yeah, not too shocking.
4. You should really watch the OT first. Or at least make it 4-5-1-2-3-6. Contrary to what Lucas says, the PT was not made to be watched before the OT. The PT would have made very little money if no OT fans saw it. The PT was made with the mindset that "people have seen the OT." I realize this isn't much of a reason, because this is one of the things that people try to fix with fan edits, but I'm just saying I would never show someone the PT before the OT. Even if it was fan edited.
Now I'm going to ease back and say that I don't necessarily mind an edit that tries to "preserve the twist" (it would be interesting to watch [and, by the way, the way to do it is to remove Skywalker from Anakin's name. So we know he's Vader, but we just don't know he's Luke's father]), but if I want to watch a definitive ROTS/PT edit/s, I want to see how Anakin became Vader. Not even if I'm watching 4-5-6-1-2-3 or 4-5-1-2-3-6, but even if I'm watching chronological, I know the twist, so I want to see everything that happens. I don't want to miss out on seeing something just because a twist that I already know is being "preserved."
My two cents.
There are definitely some OTT elements in the cartoon, but in the end it's a personal favorite of mine. I watched before EpIII came out, and it filled in many gaps, i.e.
1. How did Anakin get those scars?
2. So what's the Clone Wars all about? (granted you learn this when you watch ROTS, but the cartoon nicely set up the main idea: jedi generals lead armies of clones against droids on many different planets)
3. We see Anakin knighted.
4. C3PO's armor change is mentioned.
5. Qui-Gon Jinn is not forgotten (he's in it! And Anakin is angry about his death)
6. Obi-Wandoes awesome things.
7. Anakin's a good pilot.
8. Mace Windu (and many other jedi) don't do nothing.
9. There are some actually funny moments.
10. We see the battle on Coruscant and Palpatine get captured.
11. We see Anakin add to his robotic arm.
12. We see Anakin and Obi-Wan board their fighters to go get Palpatine (leads right up to ROTS).
13. And, most importantly, we get to see Anakin and Obi-Wan be friends.
The only problem with the series is that Grievous is portrayed as a total bad ass - and he's not.