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#559056
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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aalenfae said:

Well, I have much to learn.
Must have just downloaded an unlucky one, haha.

Alright, I downloaded the N1 Starfighter from Sci-Fi 3D and re-textured it.
I also remodeled the engines to make them more run-down, removed some panels on the top, and added internal greeblies.
Thoughts? Should we have the N1 make an appearance?

YES IT SHOULD. But seriously stuff like this (if done subtly) would be awesome. And I wouldn't be against a Ric Olie cameo, but only if it was done well and if Ric died.

Also, a major yes to different colored X-Wings. Really things like this is what is needed to show that this Rebel force is a step up from ANH. Anything thing that can be done to show that s**t just got real should be done. But not overdone.

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darth_ender said:

Well, it could satisfy the desire of so many to see something of this sort while simultaneously allowing us to stay truer to the original movie in story and in feel (something hard to duplicate if we include any non-OT footage).  It's just a suggestion, and not something I'm going to be part of.

 

So I'm on the last part of the script, and I have to bring up something again, though we voted it down: Anakin's ghost at the pyre scene.  Let me argue for it one more time.  If we show the Ewok celebration and all three Force ghosts smiling, there is Luke's resolution, as well as the audience's.  We know Luke is cool with his old man, and so are we.  But if we follow that with the pyre scene (which we voted to do), he is now sad and emotional, burning his father's carcass and armor (or at least the armor).  This does not capture the right emotions then.  If, however, we simply show Luke smiling while looking at Ben and Yoda, and then after burning his father he comes to terms with him as he sees his ghost, I think it would be a far better fit.  Let me sum it up like this: if we keep the Force ghosts, the pyre scene needs to come before it.  If we put the pyre scene at the very end, we need to remove the Force ghosts.  UNLESS...if we remove Anakin from the trio and reveal him DURING the pyre scene (as Aalenfae will show us in an upcoming mockup), then we can keep both scenes and the desired order.

Can we include this once again in the next vote, or is it really dead?  I really think the logic is quite sound.

Could we bring up the vote to get rid of ghost Anakin altogether again? I really think my logic as to why was incredibly sound.

Although I wouldn't be as much against Anakin just showing up at the pyre ONLY IF he disappeared shortly after he appears.

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Shakespeare in Love 8/10

All around enjoyable film. I was able to keep the fact that it won best picture in 1998 at the back of my head and enjoy for what it is. Now that I'm finished... Really Academy?! This beat Saving Private Ryan and the Thin Red Line?! Really?!

 

The King's Speech 10/10

Great film. Not the best of 2010, but really very great.

 

The Help 8/10

Great performances and a solid plot, though I thought some things were played a bit too lightly. I think there should have been a bit more emphasis on Viola Davis' character in the second half of the film because she somewhat falls into the background even though she is the best part of the movie.  

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Captain Antilles said:

fishmanlee said:

ESB: "It is a dark time for the rebellion"
ROTJ: "The Alliance Is Doomed!"

They sure don't match! ;|

The sentiment matches, but the tone doesn't. "It is a dark time for the rebellion" is subtle, but ominous. "The alliance is doomed!" is just plain dramatic.

ESB is supposed to be subtle and ominous. This ROTJ is suppose to be just plain dramatic. I say we keep it.

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#558158
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MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

Interesting tune.  I don't know if it could necessarily replace either song because even if we cut down the scene (something I favor), it still is a tense moment where Oola meets the Rancor and needs something to better capture the mood.  Nevertheless, I feel it would fit quite well when the droids first approach Jabba (or maybe on the sail barge, but I prefer the former).  It creates a sinister mood so we better feel like the droids are entering a dangerous place.  Before it tended to feel a little silly, but this ominous music creates a creepy feel quite well and sets up a scarier Jabba, I think.

Okay, really, the last comment for today, or at least for a while.

I agree, this would work great as an introduction for Jabba IMO....

+1

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darth_ender said:

I'm sorry Ron, but to answer your earlier question, I do think it would hurt to reuse footage.  I remember watching the very visually exciting Star Trek: Generations, with its high budget visuals and the like.  Then the Enterprise manages to blow up the Klingon Bird of Prey and my first thought was, "Hey!  That's the exact same effect they used when they won in Star Trek 6!  Not cool!"  It really is too obvious and cheap.  I think if you can disguise it well you can pull it off (for instance, showing the Falcons guns shooting from ANH, but altering the outside scenery).

MrInsaneA, Here's why I feel it disrupts the flow: Ben and Luke are having a heart to heart expository conversation.  It's slow but important.  The final line builds tension a tad.  Transition to ships flying.  ZOOM!  Over in 2 seconds, then we're back to a slow introduction to a new plot setup, either including Vader contact with Luke or simply beginning on Tatooine.  They're both not quick moving, but again are rather expository in nature.  Without some way of effectively transition between the two, it feels rushed and unsatisfactory.  I really don't like it that much.

That said, I think it can be made more successful if the transition is slowed down a tad.  Follow me a moment while I ramble.  After Ben's line, "You must face Darth Vader again," intense music builds as we see Luke's x-wing departing from Dagobah.  We transition back to the Death Star from outside.  We then see Vader brooding while staring out a viewport, as he so often does when he's bored.  He turns and leaves the bridge.  He walks down the hall and gets on a turboshaft, listening to a lounge mix of Sting's "Fields of Gold."  Next shot he's in his meditation chamber and is reaching out for Luke.  Instead of immediately showing Luke, we hear Vader continuing on, but we see the planet Tatooine slowly getting larger.  Next we see an outside shot of the Tatooine cave, like this:

Vader's voice maybe continues to resonate as if reaching through space and finally we continue with Luke's lightsaber construction, etc.  Maybe such would be a sufficient spacing for the transition, but I do feel something needs to stretch these slower, plot-building scenes out a bit.

(Obviously you wouldn't use the humorous stuff, but I'm serious about the rest of this outline.)

Sounds good to me.

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Sorry to ruin everyone's fun, but Ronster MrInsaneA was quoting AOTC jokingly. And it sounded an awful lot like a dictatorship.

 

Side note: Crazy suggestion here. I know the DSII is suppose to be bigger than the DSI, but we never really see that so... what if instead of a shuttle docking inthe DSII we have a Star Destroyer dock inside the DSII.

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Ziggy Stardust said:

1933. The good one.

I love the original, but I think that the '05 version is the best. The characters and story are more developed. And don't think I can't appreciate old movies, because I can. Turner Classic Movies is actually one of the only TV channels I watch. I love old movies, and I love the '33 version. But the '05 version is better.

And the '76 version is one of the worst movies ever made.

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fishmanlee said:

DominicCobb said:

I always imagined right before Madine dies the shot becomes green, if you know what I mean (rhyme by the way). Like as he's saying something a green filter fades in to represent the DSII laser fire, then the ship explodes. 

As for the Vader vs. Jerjerrod scene, if we can dub it that's perfect, but otherwise I think it could work without a line from Vader at all (Jerjerrod says Vader can't see the Emperor, Vader chokes Jerjerrod, Jerjerrod changes his mind).

Shouldnt the filter be more of a red/orange color for the actual explosion.

Well I was thinking before the explosion, so the green would be the laser fire. But that would work too.

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I always imagined right before Madine dies the shot becomes green, if you know what I mean (rhyme by the way). Like as he's saying something a green filter fades in to represent the DSII laser fire, then the ship explodes. 

As for the Vader vs. Jerjerrod scene, if we can dub it that's perfect, but otherwise I think it could work without a line from Vader at all (Jerjerrod says Vader can't see the Emperor, Vader chokes Jerjerrod, Jerjerrod changes his mind).

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Been at the theaters quite a bit recently. I saw:

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (9/10) which is now my favorite M:I movie by far.

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (10/10) which was so incredible it became my favorite movie of the year.

War Horse (10/10) which was even more amazing and became my favorite film of the year until

The Artist (10/10) which is immense fun beyond words and definitely the film to see. There are so many things to say about this film that I don't even know where to begin. Actually, I know exactly what I should say: GO SEE IT NOW. 

 

 

 

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ray_afraid said:

Haven't read through this entire thread, so I hope I'm not retreading to much water, but here's my idea for the opening of ROTJ that I posted in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I think you can follow...

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

Cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new lightsaber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then ignites his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that scene, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi.", leave out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had, Luke takes off in the X-Wing and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there. This all gives plenty of time between seeing Luke leave Dagobah and his arrival at Jabbas palace.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

This would be my ideal opening.

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darth_ender said:

^Sounds like some sort of devious plot to plant ideas in my head, like some sort of inception. 

Yeah, I tend to do that.

Anyways, I was thinking about the first time that a rebel ship is destroyed, and it doesn't really have as much weight as it should. That's why I thought we could make that Madine's ship, which would make it's destruction more surprising/shocking because the audience would think "oh my god, he was just explaining the plan, and now he's dead!" Also it would explain his absence from the battle. 

And yeah, the reason I considered removing the Leia and Wicket scene is to make the Ewoks more mysterious.

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I've reviewed most of the script and I like it.

-I think that if the funeral pyre could be moved to Tatooine that would be perfect.

-I personally like the celebrations.

-I think Lando's death would add some gravity. 

-I wonder if Leia's first scene with Wicket could be removed entirely. Just thinking here, I just wonder what people think about that.

-You noted that the "general" line is a little weird, I feel like it can just be cut out.

Other than that it looks like you've got everything. Great work!

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I feel I need to go with the PT explanation for Force ghosts. In the OT, Vader being a ghost is practically a continuity error. Many people thought that when Jedi die, they just become a ghost. This can't be correct though, because Obi-Wan says that he will become more powerful than Vader can possibly imagine. So Vader being a ghost is a little bit of a head scratcher. I firmly believe Vader should not be a ghost for all the reasons I already stated, and for the reason that it is kind of an unexplained moment. Aalenfae said that when he's editing ROTS, he tries to get rid of anything that isn't explained in the movie. So I would do the same here.

But mostly I think that the Star Wars series is too serious to simply cast the over-happy ending off as part of the fantasy. My biggest beef with ROTJ (and I'm not alone here) is that the movie is way too happy. Vader is EVIL for almost 4 movies. Consequence is necessary. That's why they killed him. Also, it gives the final conversation between Luke and Vader MUCH MORE meaning. I mean honestly, think of that conversation and then think about how Luke and Vader can talk again whenever they want.