DominicCobb

Sweet, love Woody Harrelson.

HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you say TFA reuses dialogue from the OT.

referring to the millennium Falcon as ‘‘that hunk of junk’’ for exempel.

SW: "What a piece of junk."
ESB: "She’s the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy."
TFA: “That one’s garbage.”

Sorry if I don’t see the issue.

HP. Lovecraft said:

Haarspalter said:

You mean like:

Tarkin: “You may fire when ready.” CHECK
Darth Vader choking an Imperial Officer together with a sarcastic verdict. CHECK

But Darth Vader does not utter any lines from the previous films in that scene as far as I can tell.

I think that was in response to “Things from the old films being shown for a second or so for no other reason then to remind us that the movie takes place in the same universe as the OT and to get the ‘‘hey I remember that’’ reaction from the audience.Check”

I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you say TFA reuses dialogue from the OT.

I get the impression the New Republic doesn’t have an army.

And while I get your point, I think victors usually come up with their own armor. Stormtroopers were an omnipresent symbol of the tyranny of the Empire. I doubt they’d want that image.

The thing is - putting aside the fact that the large majority of people (in general, not just this site) say the prequels aren’t great, which isn’t evidence but is as good an objective indicator as you can get - the simple fact of this site is that it’s for fans of the original trilogy. If you’re here, you must love all or some part of the OT. With that being the the case, and with the PT being so vastly different, quality aside, most people here will simply always prefer the OT. So it’s not so much a hive mind/bandwagon as it is this site is bringing together like minded people.

It’s not just reusing themes from TPM in AOTC and ROTS, it’s reusing the exact same recordings. Over and over again. A lot of this had to do with Williams’s busy schedule in 02 and 05 but most of it had to do with GL’s last minute editing changes.

TPM is a truly fantastic score, though I will say I do believe I prefer a score like TFA more because, when you get down to it, JW’s working off what he has to work with. So I’ve always thought “Anakin’s Theme” was a terribly boring bit of music and really don’t care for its use throughout the score. But of course that’s because of the character Williams was writing for. I also am of two minds on Duel of the Fates. Is it an amazing piece of music? Absolutely. Is it also ridiculously over the top? Yes. Why do we need an epic choir for that lightsaber duel? Why do we even care? Well the answer is we don’t, and thus JW is compensating and trying to make us care with his awesome music. But there’s still a dissonance there.

I’ve always seen SW as more of a fantasy saga. So while, in the real world, it wouldn’t necessarily jive with our concept of maps (which cover everything), in a mysterious fantasy galaxy, its a bit different. Lots of spots in the galaxy are uncharted, just like lots of spots on a map of the earth in a medieval fantasy film would be, or any other sort of older setting (like the wild west or the high seas or something).

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Kellythatsit said:

You can’t love the PT and all the other films. Of course, that would be silly.

You can’t?

I meant this somewhat sarcastically. I don’t see any reason why a PT lover shouldn’t love all the films, and yet every PT lover seems to think them far superior to the OT and doesn’t like the new films at all.

The prequel films are nowhere near the quality of ANH or ESB but I think mixed in with the dislike people have for them is that it changed the story/characters they always thought they were. It seems like the film adaptation of a novel effect. People had ideas about what the Jedi Knights were, who Anakin Skywalker was, how the Clone Wars played out, how the Empire was formed and these films didn’t agree with that.

Personally, I don’t have a problem with any of that, though many people do. In fact, I grew up liking the PT, and I resisted PT hate because I misunderstood it at first as people being mad that they weren’t like how they thought they would be. But, watching them again, being older, that’s not what annoys me at all. Terrible acting, dialogue, and characterization are the main things I can’t get past. And then there’s shit pacing, humor, CGI, and uninteresting/convoluted/unbelievable plots on top of that. In nearly every way they’re just not good movies. Their treatment of SW lore honestly doesn’t even factor in for me.

Mithrandir said:

Well, at least the new republic should have had their soldiers in storm-trooper like armor instad of that guerrilla outfit from OT.

Why?

Darth Id said:

Holy moly.
You know things have gotten REALLY bad when Darth Id does a long weekend’s-worth of backreading, and realizes a forum is so toxic as to be a bad influence on him!
My goodness, OT-ers!

Yeah, very bad influence… maybe you should leave? To protect yourself, I mean.

Yeah, Ocean’s 11 was the one I had in mind. The Avengers would be a more recent example, and there are plenty more.

Look, I’m not saying it was a good idea (in fact I’ve said the exact opposite), I’m just saying I understand what they were going for and it would be silly to call it incompetent, even if you think it doesn’t work.

And FOTR is a very different type of film. Better? Yes. But key word: different.

For the record, I never liked RLM.

Arguments about a “hive mind” is pretty silly. Look at these lists, most of them are pretty different. Is it a mob mentality that we all watched the prequels and came to the same conclusion that they’re garbage? I don’t think so.

Alderaan said:

These people are incompetent if they couldn’t think to have all of these expository scenes take place on the same planet. Apparently unity of composition is a concept none of them are familiar with.

Obviously you’ve never see a movie where a team comes together. They often start with people spread across different continents. That’s a pretty common thing.

Whether it’s done well in RO or not is a different question, but calling it an incompetent idea is pure rubbish.

In the simplest terms, I know that JJ’s vision (because he said as much) was to make a film that was “delightful.” I’d say he succeeded.

Kellythatsit said:

I really can’t believe that people are defending the prequels as decent watchable movies on this thread. I’m even more incredulous that the same tend to then tear down tfa and r1 as poor movies.

It’s a strange thing this Star Wars fandom.

It’s funny how PT fans work. They’re so predictable. You can’t love the PT and all the other films. Of course, that would be silly. Who could love the PT? I suppose people with a blind devotion to George Lucas. So if you love the PT, you prefer it. And anything new that came after, post-GL (and is obviously better), you need to tear down at every corner - calling them fan films - to prove how much “better” (gag) the PT and GL’s “vision” is.

I mean, the Rebel Alliance turned into the New Republic, while the Empire was stomped out. What would be the purpose of switching to TIE fighters? Presumably all pilots that carried over would be best experienced with X-Wings and such.

Just made this for the rhyme and the play on words. No need for any sort of discussion.

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s a problem throughout the film - all surface level candy, nothing of substance.

Which is precisely the problem for the entire first sequence. It’s like watching a video game cutscene.

This was my problem with Rogue One, too.

The entire first sequence of Rogue One is like a video game cut scene? Did we watch the same movie?

Not to mention the over the top emotional music when why should we really care about any of those people? Most of ROTS is pretty much bullshit when you get down to it. Even the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel is just a shiny, twirly dancing light show. It’s a problem throughout the film - all surface level candy, nothing of substance. It’s the most watchable of the three in my opinion but that’s not very saying much at all.

Tobar said:

Shattered Empire is the best modern Marvel storyline that I’ve read thus far, followed by Kanan.

Cool beans. I got my brother the Kanan omnibus for Christmas in hopes he’ll let me borrow that too someday.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Why we couldn’t just enforce the new rules on the old thread is beyond me.

Apparently people don’t act like babies in new threads.

No baby! No baby! You’re the baby.

SilverWook said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

All these internet Siskel and Ebert wannabees really aren’t worth the time.

Sorry our opinion isn’t worth as much as yours or the next guy’s, Wook.

You’re inferring a bit here. And are you reviewing movies on youtube?

In any case, someone like Roger Ebert had a background in journalism, and he even wrote a movie script or two. I may have hotly disagreed with some of his reviews over the years, but I respected his knowledge, and he often championed films that were sometimes overlooked or unappreciated when they were first released.

I’m probably just getting grouchy in my old age, and don’t care much for what passes for movie criticism online these days. So don’t take it personally. 😉

I’m with you, Wook. Can’t stand these Youtube “film critics.”

So I finished reading the whole Vader line (including Vader Down). All in all I really enjoyed it. A enjoyable set of books that doesn’t take itself to seriously, with some legitimately awesome moments (and a fair number of silly ones). Vader’s a total bad ass and most of the new characters are pretty fun. The final storyline is a real treat, and the whole thing transitions the Vader in ANH to the Vader in ESB quite well. Not for the faint of heart when it comes to PT references, but, if you don’t mind those, I think you should check it out.

These were the first comics from the new canon that I’ve read, and I must say it makes me hungry for more. I can’t imagine reading these issue by issue, though - I was lucky enough to borrow all the trade paperbacks from my brother and just read at my own pace. I did get Shattered Empire and Poe Dameron Vol. 1 for Christmas, though, and I’m really excited to get into those, especially the latter.

FanFiltration said:

My first LP for 2017 is…

Damn good choice. Might just do the same.