DominicCobb

Have Luke survive TLJ and make Rey his daughter.

Haarspalter said:

J.J. Abrams’ Editor Feels The Last Jedi ‘Consciously’ Undid The Force Awakens Story

Source: https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1130804-jj-abrams-editor-last-jedi-consciously-undid-force-awakens

From where I’m standing, there’s only one film in this trilogy that consciously undoes anything in TFA or otherwise, and it’s not TLJ.

krausfadr said:

NeverarGreat said:

Rey’s vision feels absolutely perfect, better than the original for sure.

Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.

Yes the Rey vision is far better than the original. Great idea with the lightning from Rey then from the Emperor-- and then the well done dyad at the end. Soooo much better. The only thing possibly to consider: would the female hand with lightning reveal too much of the future and spoil the Pasaana scene for 1st time viewer? Probably not, but just something to consider.

The idea is it’s a vision of Rey’s dark future, so hopefully when you see that happen on Pasaana you think “oh it’s coming true.” Ideally a first viewer should just think her hand with the lightning is just another hypothetical until it happens.

The Kylo vision is done well but feels more like a recap with all the TLJ visuals. I’d try to stick to
TLJ audio with more TROS visuals that could fit with it.

The goal is to make it more past-focused, justifying his decision to rebuild the mask. It’s sort of a contrast with Rey where she’s seeing a future she wants to prevent and Kylo’s seeing past mistakes he’s trying to reconcile with.

NeverarGreat said:

Kylo’s vision veers a bit into fanedit territory for me, mainly due to reusing so many shots from TLJ. Perhaps removing some of the shots that are clearly not from Kylo’s POV would help. I agree with Hal that if there’s a way to use Luke for haunting purposes, perhaps the closeup of his face in his duel with Kylo, that would be ideal.

That’s fair, Kylo is definitely the one I’m still iffy on. I worry it’s a bit too long, but at the same time I don’t want it to be too short, because it’s a scene all it’s own now. There’s a balance. I planned to have Luke at first but when I got down to it it didn’t fit the structure I was making. Perhaps there’s a world where the vision is less long and less focused (more like Rey’s), and I can slip some Luke in there like I planned. I’ll keep it as is for now and come back to this later with fresh eyes.

Thanks for the kind words guys. Was definitely curious to see the reaction to these.

RogueLeader said:

I really like the flashing between the shots of helmeted Kylo and dark Rey, and the sound effects.

That was driven by the line that Rey saw both herself and Ren on the throne. Barring a VFX shot of him sitting on her lap or something, I thought this might at least give the suggestion that she saw both her and him together.

It’s cool to finally see what you had in mind for Kylo repairing his mask. It definitely gives more clarification as to what motivates Kylo to reforge his mask.

Things have definitely changed a bit from what I outlined in my cutlist, but I’m glad I found a way to fit it in that people seem to like.

IlFanEditore said:

I also like how you cut Kylo’s scene in between Rey’s training. I did the exact same thing, but your flashes are wonderful.

sade1212 said:

Phenomenal editing. Dare I say; it feels more smoothly edited than theatrical TROS. In my personal edit, I’ve been working on trying to stick more of Kylo into Rey’s angry training scene, but I think you’ve convinced me that it plays very well without any cutting back and forth at all. Very excited to see the rest of this.

I think for me this was definitely the moment in the theater when I thought ‘this editing is way too hectic.’ I can definitely see the rationale for keeping the Kylo portion together with the Rey portion, and I tried it that way at first, but this feels more right for what I’m going for.

Vision of the future:
https://vimeo.com/406327520

Visions of the past:
https://vimeo.com/406328685

Please keep in my these are still rough.

Big thanks to snooker for the shot of the Falcon.

Tantive3+1 said:

What if to preserve the surprise in TESB, Yoda’s name was never used in the PT. The Jedi call him “master” and you never hear his name then when you watch TESB you think Yoda is the name of another Jedi who survived. Then when you see him on Dagobah you think he really will take Luke to see “Yoda”.

That doesn’t make any sense.

Yes I’m doing that. You don’t learn Chewie’s alive until the destroyer arrives on Kijimi and Rey senses him.

That’s fair if it’s not what you wanted, I usually try to judge based on what they’re going for more than what I want. I really liked the direction they took Poe in, the nature of leadership and cocky heroism - I wish they had continued it more seriously in TROS (I’d love for JJ to explain to me why Poe was in an X-wing rather than a capitol ship, especially since he didn’t do anything in that X-wing). Finn did get a bit of the shaft in the edit, but I think his arc was very solid and a good building block for his final arc and conclusion, although unfortunately this was totally ignored in the end with TROS.

idir_hh said:

Absolutely, there was so much potential for those two in the last Jedi, pity RJ thought otherwise. Apparently he started writing the script with them off on an adventure together but then replaced Poe with Rose when he thought there was no potential for tension between them, he thought that they got along “too” well.

See that made sense to me though, in terms of what he was trying to accomplish specifically with their arcs. TROS doesn’t seem to be attempting much at all.

idir_hh said:

I whish there was more conflict between the two, they tried a little with the “your no Leia” scene but we needed more, TLJ should have had the two them go out on an adventure while being in conflict , perhaps Poe hates the stormtroopers and is eager to kill them, perhaps he seeks revenge for something they did to him or his parents, Finn on the other hand would try to help them, seeing the light in his former comrades, Poe opposes and so you have a back and forth tension throughout the film leading to a resolution that progresses their characters.

They tried to do this whole thing where people kept not telling people things, and they weren’t working well together and problems were happening. The issue with this is “not telling people things” isn’t as dramatic as actions, and they only have a couple of examples of that (like Rey facing the TIE fighter alone), and they’re never really interrogated, and ultimately the conflict is never really resolved besides Poe saying “I need you to command with me,” which is pretty basic. You can see a bunch of ways how they could have easily improved this.

Anakin Starkiller said:

snooker said:

Find a way to make Finn and Poe more gay and I’ll be happy with the movie.

Okay can somebody explain to me why people see romantic subtext between Finn and Poe? I caught on to Rey and Kylo in TLJ, but I never spotted anything for Finn and Poe.

Basically, this scene

Absolutely perfect. Amazing, thank you so much!

snooker said:

I’ll cook that up real quick for ya

You ma’am, are the best.

how much longer do you need it?

Somewhere abouts 14-16 frames on from when the wipe starts. So probably on the longer side of that to be safe would be nice!

Is there some VFX wiz who could do me a big favor and use some magic to extend the shot of the Falcon leaving Ajan Kloss? I.e. make it so that the wipe doesn’t interrupt it leaving the frame.

Here is a much less drastic Exegol test I whipped up yesterday

NeverarGreat said:

snooker said:

An orange tone might work better?

It certainly needs less red. Here’s something I came up with:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/9JB9MNNU

There is very little color information here, and almost no red in the backgrounds which required first using the channel mixer to add it back in. It’s easy to overdo, however, since things like the bloody bruise on Ben’s cheek should still read as separate from the skin tones, and those should be more red than the background.

This looks pretty cool, honestly. I wouldn’t go for that angle personally but it’s not a bad look. The blue to me drives home the secret and sinister vibe, while the orange would give it a nice apocalyptic tone, which could be cool.

I’m terms of color information, I know some were able to rip a non HDR graded version of the prequels off Disney plus, is it possible for the TROS 4kBD to yield the same log style image when ripped?

Chase Adams said:

Ugh! I was legitimately engaged in the discussion before someone managed to bring up my stupid forest establishing shots! I’ve said before that I’m not going to bother with Mustafar anymore. Anyone care to share any screenshots of a colour changed Exegol, just for the sake of changing the subject? 😄

Um… okay? You don’t have a monopoly on the idea, I think it’s a worthwhile subject that we should continue to pursue.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I mean, it’s like the planet name is mentioned in the film, and it already looks identical. I’d say the elder heads is what would convey this idea to the audience.

It doesn’t look identical. Ajan Kloss is a tropical jungle. Not that you couldn’t make it Naboo, but it’s not identical.

RogueLeader said:

One of the challenging things about recoloring Exegol is the lightning. So if you recollect Exegol to a red hue, the lightning will presumably have a red hue. Might not be a bad thing but it may look strange.

Pretty much, which is why I’m aiming for something a bit less drastic, still keeping some of the blue but adding some other color in as well.

I’m definitely considering it. That’s more the way Exegol looks in the Art of book.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

What some people don’t realize with Lynch is how close he came. He was actually Lucas’s number one choice ahead of Marquand but ended up pulling out.

Wouldn’t the massive falling out George had with the DGA have affected either pick? IIRC, Lynch and Cronenberg had done at least one major Hollywood film at that point.

You’re not automatically added if you’ve done a big film like some guilds. Lynch wasn’t a member at the time and would have directed the film he hadn’t said no.

What I’ve not been able to figure out is how Spielberg could keep working on the Indy movies in the meantime, but allegedly couldn’t direct a prequel?

The Indy movies had proper opening credits, so the DGA couldn’t nail Lucas on those. With the prequels, pretty much all of Lucas’s buddies said he should just do them himself.

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

What some people don’t realize with Lynch is how close he came. He was actually Lucas’s number one choice ahead of Marquand but ended up pulling out.

Wouldn’t the massive falling out George had with the DGA have affected either pick? IIRC, Lynch and Cronenberg had done at least one major Hollywood film at that point.

You’re not automatically added if you’ve done a big film like some guilds. Lynch wasn’t a member at the time and would have directed the film he hadn’t said no.

ray_afraid said:

RogueLeader said:

I think if they felt Palpatine had to return in some form, I would’ve preferred the conflict would’ve centered around a Sith cult trying to resurrect him, and the protagonists are trying to prevent that

Having only seen TFA, wouldn’t have been better/made more sense for Kylo & the Knights of Ren to be up to this in the 2nd film & then conclude it in the 3rd?
This seems to be the way to do it & I gather this isn’t what it was done.

I mean, that’s the thing with bringing Palpatine back. If they were going to do it, they either should have done it right away or made hints they were gonna do it later. But it was done last minute, so no.

Writers rooms aren’t committees, arguably movies could stand to implement the practice as well.