DominicCobb

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Doesn’t make up for the fact that the rest of the score is mostly pretty boring, honestly.

I don’t think it’s any more boring than ROTS. A big part of what I’m considering for my ranking is the relative strength of the themes introduced in each film, and on those grounds Sith is absolutely the loser.

No doubt about that. ROTS pretty much only has Grievous’s theme and Battle of the Heroes, the former being merely serviceable and the latter a set piece more than an actual theme. AOTC’s non-Across the Stars themes aren’t much either (one for Kamino, one for the Separatists, and then one for the monsters which barely counts because it was mostly cut out), but Across the Star is really freaking good.

Still, for me, it’s a lot of factors that push ROTS over. The biggest being that AOTC has almost a complete cut and paste job for its climax (both films suffer from this but it really doesn’t get any worse than the battle of Geonosis). The other being that ROTS is just more enjoyable an experience to listen to on its own. Sure, it’s way over the top, but taken as its own thing, separate from the other SW scores, it works really well actually. There are some good expanded score edits of both of them out there and I find ROTS a much more fulfilling listen than AOTC.

joefavs said:

“Across the Stars” is more than enough to put it in front of ROTS and possibly RO.

Doesn’t make up for the fact that the rest of the score is mostly pretty boring, honestly.

Tantive3+1 said:

doubleofive said:

Editroid said:

Please don’t judge me when I say that I hope the Revisited versions of the OT won’t contradict the official versions of the PT. Then again, since the OT is so sacred to many, most of the changes made to them are aesthetic, and not story-related.

Some of Adywan’s changes to RotJ may depend on what he can change in the PT. I’m still sure they’ll fit better than how much the PT already contradicts the OT.

Can you make a list on everything that’s been announced about ROTJ:R.

One of the things I’ve heard about is that Lando will be dying.

NeverarGreat said:

My ranking:
SW
ESB
ROTJ
ET
AOTC
TPM
TFA
ROTS
RO

First of all, if you’re gonna count ET don’t shaft it in your rankings, and second of all, how is AOTC better than TPM, TFA, ROTS, and RO?

Fang Zei said:

The more interesting news here is that they pushed Indy 5 back a year (it was originally summer of 2019 IIRC).

Makes sense, considering Spielberg’s absurdly busy schedule. Hopefully they don’t overthink the script this time around.

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, she’s about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.

Again, I don’t know why I bothered. Joke or not, you’re still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not “Obi-Wan, but small and green”?

Because my comparison was about both appearance and characteristics.

I can see there’s no helping you.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Again, I don’t know why I bothered.

Instead of posting this question here several times, I suggest you take five minutes and ask that question yourself instead. Then make a decision whether you can ignore the fact that TFA is shit or you will continue to bother people who state that fact.

Ironic as you post for the millionth time your worthless opinion on the film.

dahmage said:

i really like Interstellar as well. it was probably my top movie of 2014. I need to watch it again soon!

Same

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, she’s about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.

Again, I don’t know why I bothered. Joke or not, you’re still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not “Obi-Wan, but small and green”?

In an odd bit of coincidence, just saw this article posted today:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/04/25/for-the-last-time-rey-is-not-a-mary-sue

Haven’t read it yet but with a headline like that, must be good.

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

Haha don’t think I’ve ever seen that done before in this conversation. Good job? I guess? I feel like I could probably nitpick some of those but whatevs.

I wish the debate would die. With the Mary Sue thing, I feel like I’ve said this waaay too many times, but the thing is that with the term there are misogynistic implications. Hypothetically that kind of criticism could be thrown against characters of any gender, but they rarely do. When people specifically mention her gender when talking about how implausible her abilities are, that’s when the unfortunate implications become clear.

Ultimately, the term is just downright lazy. If people actually had well reasoned and thought out arguments about Rey’s characterization and how it affected the story/drama, I’d be more willing to engage with them. But if they’re just going to skip to name calling, that’s where I’ll brush them aside. If you’re just going to regurgitate something someone else has said on the internet, there’s no point in wasting my time.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-and-next-indiana-jones-get-release-dates

Release date set - May 24, 2019. Had a feeling they were trying to creep back into Memorial Day.

imperialscum said:

More like a messy random mix of rehashed elements and new crap.

This is the TFA thread, not the ROTJ thread.

Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah but you have a face tattoo so what do you know

True pain I would imagine

Fair enough, don’t think I could do that

Yeah but you have a face tattoo so what do you know

Alderaan said:

This could be totally ignorant on my part, and if so I apologize in advance, because I don’t know much about Turkish people or their culture, but those actors don’t look Turkish or having Turkish sounding names to me.

I actually have a few Turkish friends, and their appearances vary quite a bit.

If you choose to ignore what I’m saying that’s fine. It’s clear the only one here with an “infighting” problem is you, as you’re clearing holding a grudge against me and take a biased view towards my posts.

Just know that from now on I won’t be putting up with your “posse” insults and will start reporting you when you refer to me as such.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Yeehaw … we got ourselves another roundup.

Lame.

😦

I’m sorry that I’d rather defend the struggling and good hearted coffee than the bigoted husezni that’s trying to make coffee hate himself. If that makes me a part of some “posse” then fine. I’m disappointed that you’d put petty disagreements with me in front of coffee’s personal mental health.

All my posts directly to those coming for support do not match your summation of my participation in the support of fellow members.

I know you voiced your support which is why I was so disappointed to see you defending husezni’s harmful words.

I will say that some of you seem to come in drooling when you go after folks over your interpretation of their words. That is something that should be left out of this thread and I’m sure you’d agree because we’re here to help people not hurt them.

I almost alway just ignore husezni’s bullshit, but if it’s going to hurt coffee, I’m not going to pass that by.

The fact that you lump all my critical posts into some kind of mythical “posse” is really irritating and honestly pretty insulting. My opinions are my own and I do not appreciate you considering me to be part of an unthinking and devious hive mind just because others agree with me and you don’t.

Your gallant enthusiasm to pounce claws first is insulting to me. Especially because it always happens when it’s someone you and others disagree with.

I don’t know how in the world that could be insulting to you. Husezni is basically telling coffee he should hate himself because he’s gay and I’m telling him off for that and that’s “insulting” to you? Forgive me if I don’t understand.

It’s obvious you’re taking issue with me because we’ve had disagreements in the past, but I want to make it clear, despite what you may think, all my posts ARE MY OWN, and any disagreements I have with you are because of YOU, not loyalty or whatever the f you think it is. The suggestion that I’m criticizing you or others simply because I’m trying to be a part of a “posse” or hopping on the bandwagon is something I find personally insulting.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Yeehaw … we got ourselves another roundup.

Lame.

😦

I’m sorry that I’d rather defend the struggling and good hearted coffee than the bigoted husezni that’s trying to make coffee hate himself. If that makes me a part of some “posse” then fine. I’m disappointed that you’d put petty disagreements with me in front of coffee’s personal mental health.

All my posts directly to those coming for support do not match your summation of my participation in the support of fellow members.

I know you voiced your support which is why I was so disappointed to see you defending husezni’s harmful words.

I will say that some of you seem to come in drooling when you go after folks over your interpretation of their words. That is something that should be left out of this thread and I’m sure you’d agree because we’re here to help people not hurt them.

I almost alway just ignore husezni’s bullshit, but if it’s going to hurt coffee, I’m not going to pass that by.

The fact that you lump all my critical posts into some kind of mythical “posse” is really irritating and honestly pretty insulting. My opinions are my own and I do not appreciate you considering me to be part of an unthinking and devious hive mind just because others agree with me and you don’t.

Disco_Lobot said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:
When it came to ESB and ROTJ, obviously he had others write those scripts entirely.

I was under the impression that he wrote full scripts for both films, but had other writers do subsequent drafts.

For ESB he basically wrote the initial script, while Kasdan fixed the dialogue.

That’s not really true. Brackett wrote the initial script based on his story treatment (that they developed together). Much of what was in that script made it to the final film. And Kasdan did more than “fix the dialogue.”

I thought most of Brackett’s draft was thrown out? I know I read that somewhere

In some respects yes, but a lot of the beats in there survived. Look it up, it’s pretty interesting.

Handman said:

I hear they put the 1891 monument in storage, which is better than simply destroying it. I think it’s important to remember not just what we value now, but what we once valued in the past, this includes the bad. The monuments are physical evidence of this. We never valued Benedict Arnold, but we do value all the innocent lives lost in the conflict, and once valued the lives of people like General Lee, who I honestly can’t fault for fighting the Union anyway, the guy might be the worst Confederate figure to point at for dishonor and suppression.

In fairness to Mr. Arnold, he was well respected before his turn.

I’m with you on Lee. And I’m glad the statues weren’t destroyed, honestly they probably belong in a museum.

In regards to the rest of the discussion, I’m in general agreement with Dom (I think this is the first time we’ve been on the same side of an issue in this thread).

Hmm, good point, maybe I’m on the wrong side of this after all.

Great words CatBus.

Yeah, coffee, you need to focus on what you like and what makes you happy. Don’t feel like you have to change who you are based on the thoughts or actions of others. Maybe it’s not safe to be who you are right now in certain places, but don’t feel like you have to purge that part of you entirely and forever because of it.

Jetrell Fo said:

Yeehaw … we got ourselves another roundup.

Lame.

😦

I’m sorry that I’d rather defend the struggling and good hearted coffee than the bigoted husezni that’s trying to make coffee hate himself. If that makes me a part of some “posse” then fine. I’m disappointed that you’d put petty disagreements with me in front of coffee’s personal mental health.

imperialscum said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:
When it came to ESB and ROTJ, obviously he had others write those scripts entirely.

I was under the impression that he wrote full scripts for both films, but had other writers do subsequent drafts.

For ESB he basically wrote the initial script, while Kasdan fixed the dialogue.

That’s not really true. Brackett wrote the initial script based on his story treatment (that they developed together). Much of what was in that script made it to the final film. And Kasdan did more than “fix the dialogue.”