Let me get this straight.
You guys think black people can’t have an opinion on this ESPN thing.
But when Frink says you guys can’t have an opinion on it, its bigotry.
Sounds reasonable.
Total harassment, right?
You defend for no reason
I can’t wait to see how this sentence ends.
But since you asked, he’s my wife. Don’t tell Dom.
How dare you?
Downloaded it the day of and just got done watching it the second time.
Same.
Congrats on finishing it ady, absolutely fantastic work.
Orphan Black series finale - mostly an epilogue after 15 minutes of finale, and a bit overly happy/sappy, but not bad. Seasons 1 and 4 are still the best seasons, but the entire show is worth watching for Tatiana Maslany.
Haven’t had the chance to watch any of the new season. I tend to think the show declined into schlock after the great first season, but I might as well finish it now that I’ve gotten this far.
Game of Thrones - anyone else feel like this season is the show on fast-forward? They should’ve stuck with two 10-episode seasons to even out the pacing instead of this weird 7- and 6-episode final seasons business.
Honestly this might be my least favorite season thus far. Very rushed. Also it feels kind of fan servicey and indulgent in ways that the show never was before (season 6 was a little guilty of this too).
Plus they never figured out how to make Queen Dany work as a character and now that she’s such a big part of it all it’s starting to become a real problem.
Spectre was severely underrated, but I am really glad he’ll get a proper send off (part of that movie’s problem was it ultimately seemed caught between trying to set up the next film while also being his potentially last film - and so both of those obviously opposing elements suffered). Craig’s probably my favorite besides Connery so he deserves something great.
What did Trump do now?
Reverted to his original “both sides are to blame” steaming elephant dungpile argument and suggested statues of Washington and Jefferson could be torn down next, as they were slave owners. The usual crazy talk.
I don’t know. I don’t know all the details about what exactly happens. Obviously, these neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK are scum, evil racist scum. But, there is this ideal: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. While I can’t stand the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK, they have the right to peacefully protest. If you want to peacefully protest them, that is fine. I encourage peaceful protest of the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK. I might even be will to join such a protest. But, violent protest crosses the line. Its seems that some of the people protesting the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK got violent. That is illegal and should be condemned. If the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK got violent first, that is also illegal and should be condemned. I guess the big question is which side started the violence? Of course, the driver that ran people over should have the book thrown at them. I will agree, Trump was way too slow in condemning the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK, but I think he may have a point in that both sides are to blame for the violence that occurred. This not to say that both are equally to blame, just that both share some of the blame. I guess for once I sort of agree with Trump. Of course if the neo-nazis/white supremacists/KKK would wake up and smell the sh** they’ve been shoveling for years, things would be a lot better.
Seriously warb? Obviously violence from either side should be condemned (by the way, definitely seems like the whiteys were more the belligerents), but that’s not really the issue here. Right to protest or not, it shouldn’t be hard for the president to in the strongest possible way condemn white supremacists and disavow them - even if they hadn’t become violent, there shouldn’t be any hesitation to speak against neo-Nazis.
As for Washington and Jefferson, it would not surprise me if some wish to tear down their statues. They were slave owners. I’m sure some view them as nothing but slave owning racists.
Washington and Jefferson brought this country together. Lee and the rest tore it apart, and fought against it. Poor comparison.
Yeah, exposing the marchers is worthy but exposing the assaulters is necessary. Hope they all get identified soon.
While mistakes being made are unfortunately possible (or even likely), exposing these scumbags for who they are is still an absolutely worthy effort.
First step to fixing the future is acknowledging the mistakes of the past.
What do you mean by “current injustices that are derived from these things?” How do you wipe out the legacy of slavery?
As for white kids going to private schools, I am not sure what can be done about that. This is America, if you have enough money amd want to send your kids to private school, you can.
I pretty sure that housing segregation is not allowed under the civil rights act. People have the right to live where they want regardless of skin color, assuming they can afford to live in said place.
I think a few people (CatBus, DominicCobb, and suspiciouscoffee) have already done a good job of responding to this, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents. You ask how racism/segregation is still prevalent in American society, and you have twice answered your own question. If the ability to live in “nice neighbourhoods” and attend “good schools” is contingent on having the money to make such things possible, and if certain races generally don’t have access to such money, then this is a form of racism/segregation.
I disagree. We live a capitalistic system. The free market. If you want something nice, you have to earn enough money and buy it. We don’t give mansions away for free.
Now one might argue that anyone, regardless of race, has the opportunity to make enough money to live where they wish and attend whatever school they wish, but if society is set up to keep people in their existing socioeconomic class, and if people in lower socioeconomic classes are generally minorities, therein lies the institutional racism mentioned earlier.
But is that the way society is set up in America? It might very difficult to move up a socioeconomic class, but it is doable. For example, there are all sorts of social problems to help people who can’t afford it, to get into college.
If a child lives in a poor neighbourhood and attends a poor school due to his family not having enough money to do otherwise, then the child himself is likely to grow up and find himself in the same boat. The cycle perpetuates itself, not because any one person is saying, “Don’t live here” and “Go to school there,” but simply because society makes it difficult to escape one’s current class, and due to American history, many racial minorities find themselves in the lower class.
There are many poor white people in the country and the cycle perpetuate itself there too. But with both white and black poor, there is the chance to work one’s way out of being poor. It is not easy, but it has been done.
This is the heart of it all. Black people are especially disadvantaged economically due to decades and decades of racial injustices of all different kinds. It surely is possible to move up, but it is very, very difficult (for many reasons). This is essentially though whole reason why things like affirmative action exist.
Some real great movies in here the last few days.
assuming they can afford to live in said place.
Therein lies the rub.
In my public high school graduating class, there were 170 students. 6 were black. 2 were latino. 1 was asian. The rest were white.
I assume the meaning is that even Michelle Obama, descendant of slaves, was benefiting from racism insofar as the house she was living in was built by slaves.
I don’t want to go full-on Frevious here but…
It’s accurate to say the same mechanic is at work. It’s full-on Frevious to say it will reach the same conclusion. That’s not to say full-on Frevious is wrong, but probably wrong.
It’s definitely the same furor, but the mentality is, thankfully, not as popular.
How does one act bigoted towards freaking Nazis?
You can’t act bigoted towards people who want all Jews dead. Of course this is if we’re talking about actual nazis.
They are true Nazis, no doubt.
I’m guessing you meant to say “there are true nazis” since I didn’t know we we’re talking about a certain group or person. But on the subject of the man carrying the nazi flag; he is a shitty excuse for a human being.
You don’t need a flag to be a neo-Nazi. I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point that the whole group was firmly white supremacist.
This is the kind of thing I always talk about. No one wants to admit they’re wrong, no one likes to be less than perfect.
Everybody has biases. This is just true. The sooner we can all recognize that the sooner we can move forward. Everybody does or says things that could be considered racist. Whether that makes them a “racist” or not is just semantics. Personally, I’d say no, but getting caught up on the word is just missing the point.
The left saying that everybody can be racist doesn’t make them assholes, it just means they’re willing to put aside pride to expose a deeper, challenging truth. It doesn’t make them self righteous, it just makes them people who want to try to be better.
The left doesn’t claim that everyone can be racist. That is not even disputable. Of course a human can be racist.
The issue is when the left condemns all white people of a collective predujice based upon their race. That is racism. And white people who “admit” to their sins are not trying to improve. It’s pointless virtue signaling. And that’s the foundation of so many leftists counter arguments. “You just don’t care about poor people!” “You just don’t care about black people!”
It’s all a competition to see who can be more “accepting” and “culturally sensitive”.
Only the loud, stupidest voices are doing that (the real goal is much more nuanced and much more pervasive. We are all capable of racism, and, whether we’d like to admit it or not, we are all racist to some extent at some point or another).
To say that this is what the left is doing is to essentially commit the same sin of oversimplification, generalization, and vilification that you are accusing them of.
That’s why I make a distinction between classical liberals and the left. The loud stupid ones are of the left. I appreciate people like you who are reasonable about their ideas and don’t want to repress speech.
I’m sorry if you thought I was associating you with the left, it was not my intention.
Well I will say you have an interesting definition of the left. I tend to consider myself on the left - do you not consider it synonymous with liberal? Always saw it that way, personally. What you consider the left I’d probably just call the extreme left.
As for repressing speech, obviously I’m a strong supporter of the first amendment, though I do feel like we shouldn’t be too willing to shrug our shoulders and say “free speech, what can you do,” when someone’s saying something heinous. But that’s of course what protesting is for.
Whether that makes them a “racist” or not is just semantics. Personally, I’d say no, but getting caught up on the word is just missing the point.
It does matter though. Whenever people hear that they could be a racist, they have an immediate reaction of revolt, because they know that being racist means you are a bad person.
Maybe if people focus on what people could or do do, then they wouldn’t have such a visceral reaction. That helps the point you’re trying to make. How you express yourself matters.
The problem is people have been taught that racism = lynching black people, when it’s really more common, subversive, and seemingly innocuous than that. People need to learn that just because you are capable of badness doesn’t make you a bad person - intentions matter. Just because someone calls you racist doesn’t mean they think you’re the devil’s spawn.
Basically, people need to get over themselves. Maybe, instead of rejecting the accusation entirely, people should take a deeper look into why someone would call them something like that, instead of putting their fingers in their ears and pretending they are all knowing.
This is the kind of thing I always talk about. No one wants to admit they’re wrong, no one likes to be less than perfect.
Everybody has biases. This is just true. The sooner we can all recognize that the sooner we can move forward. Everybody does or says things that could be considered racist. Whether that makes them a “racist” or not is just semantics. Personally, I’d say no, but getting caught up on the word is just missing the point.
The left saying that everybody can be racist doesn’t make them assholes, it just means they’re willing to put aside pride to expose a deeper, challenging truth. It doesn’t make them self righteous, it just makes them people who want to try to be better.
The left doesn’t claim that everyone can be racist. That is not even disputable. Of course a human can be racist.
The issue is when the left condemns all white people of a collective predujice based upon their race. That is racism. And white people who “admit” to their sins are not trying to improve. It’s pointless virtue signaling. And that’s the foundation of so many leftists counter arguments. “You just don’t care about poor people!” “You just don’t care about black people!”
It’s all a competition to see who can be more “accepting” and “culturally sensitive”.
Only the loud, stupidest voices are doing that (the real goal is much more nuanced and much more pervasive. We are all capable of racism, and, whether we’d like to admit it or not, we are all racist to some extent at some point or another).
To say that this is what the left is doing is to essentially commit the same sin of oversimplification, generalization, and vilification that you are accusing them of.
This is the kind of thing I always talk about. No one wants to admit they’re wrong, no one likes to be less than perfect.
Everybody has biases. This is just true. The sooner we can all recognize that the sooner we can move forward. Everybody does or says things that could be considered racist. Whether that makes them a “racist” or not is just semantics. Personally, I’d say no, but getting caught up on the word is just missing the point.
The left saying that everybody can be racist doesn’t make them assholes, it just means they’re willing to put aside pride to expose a deeper, challenging truth. It doesn’t make them self righteous, it just makes them people who want to try to be better.
Robert E. Lee doesn’t deserve this.
You’re right, he doesn’t deserve a legion of neo-Nazis marching to save a statue he probably wouldn’t even have approved of.
I don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to think that.
No, but that doesn’t mean those on the streets aren’t.
It was PPPPPPPPPPPPP (give or take a P).
I would like to see something that makes sense for his story at that point and not something that is done just to appease anti-rehash complainers and people who are mad he killed their childhood hero.
Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.
But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.
According to Fo, I’m a sock. Whether that actually makes me a foot garment or a real human being is up for you to decide.
Granted, but I will defend the DC of Alien 3 and also Prometheus. Alien 4 maybe not, it has parts I like but some really awful parts too.
I mean I like Alien 3 (only ever seen theatrical) and Prometheus, but I don’t see why it’s hard to believe they could be topped. Especially if you’re a Prometheus fan, Covenant was basically that but better.
Probably because some people really seem to have hated it.
But I’ll see it eventually and make up my own mind. I don’t let reviews affect me in either direction.
No more so than Prometheus (in fact I’d wager far less so).
