CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”

“Star Wars is only three six movies because Return of the Jedi Revenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”

False equivalence. What in YOLT gets in the way of the possibility of another Connery movie? I don’t recall any Connery going off into the sunset moment. Indeed, the character remains alive and well.

Sorry, I forgot Indy died at the end of Crusade.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

You guys are completely overlooking Dek’s argument. He’s not saying simply that it the Last Crusade wasn’t meant to have a sequel, but that the film was explicitly designed to preclude the plausibility of a sequel. While you can say the former about Star Wars, you cannot say the latter. Very different arguments.

That’s a much worse argument to make. There’s nothing in TLC that precludes a sequel.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”

“Star Wars is only three six movies because Return of the Jedi Revenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”

Exactly. There are numerous examples just like this.

Didn’t you know that if a film ends with characters riding into the sunset that it’s not allowed to have a sequel?

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”

This joke has nothing to do with this conversation. I never said that Star Wars Episode XI is a movie that exists just because Lucas wanted a fluctuating number of sequels for Star Wars.

This joke has nothing to do with Episode IX. I’m simply saying whether or not a sequel exists has nothing to do with what the filmmakers had in mind. Not a hard concept to grasp.

“Sean Connery was only ever in five Bond movies because You Only Live Twice was designed to be his last one.”

“Star Wars is only three six movies because Return of the Jedi Revenge of the Sith was designed to be the last one.”

“I believe that Buckaroo Banzai Against the World Crime League is a movie that exists because its predecessor was designed to have a sequel.”

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ve never heard anyone refer to Indiana Jones as a “story.” It’s really weird considering that none of the three movies even directly reference the existence of the others.

Indy knows what the Ark looks like in a nod in Last Crusade.

And of course they aren’t literally a single continuous story, but I assumed everyone here is smart enough to figure out what I meant. They are three selective stories from the life of a character, and they all add into a good overall thingamajig.

Huh, just like the fourth one then.

But, like I already said, the fourth is out of place because it occurs after the third, which was artistically designed to be the last one when it was made, regardless of any other scripts that were thrown around in the mid 90s.

“The third one was designed to be the last one regardless of the fact that shortly after it came out they started thinking about a sequel and regardless of the fact that there’s nothing in the movie itself that makes it the last one.”

moviefreakedmind said:

Have you ever walked out of a movie?

Never.

DuracellEnergizer said:

dahmage said:

None, because I never walked into one.

FTFM

Well, that’s enough depressing internet shit for me today.

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dammit, I caught this and posted about it before seeing you already caught it and posted about it.

Ready caught post.

Is that the kind you buy fresh at the store and bring home?

I believe that’s actually the crossover event for Spielberg’s last two movies.

Dek Rollins said:

I get “the Last” part now, but I don’t remember there being a sunset shot. 😉

Dek Rollins said:

I was unaware. When did those plans start? Late 90s? Because I seem to remember Spielberg saying that he wasn’t told about their desire for another outing until like 2002 or 2003.

There were scripts being written in the 90s I believe. Don’t have my making of book on hand, unfortunately.

suspiciouscoffee said:

The only reasons The Last Crusade “must” be a trilogy capper are

• the title is Last (but the following word is Crusade and not Adventure or Movie or whatever so it doesn’t even matter)

• the final shot is a literal ride into sunset

Just because KOTCS ain’t great doesn’t mean Indy’s story is inherently a 3-part one.

Of course everyone knows that the Star Wars series has reached a clear end with The Last Jedi.

Dek Rollins said:

Dom implied that I should’ve watched Crystal Skull and I said no because the series was intentionally ended with Last Crusade. Then he tried to contest this assessment without acknowledging the fact that the film wasn’t supposed to exist until Ford and Lucas felt like pursuing another installment in the mid 2000s.

That’s not true, they were kicking around a fourth installment for a lot longer than that.

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

^You missed one.

No.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, the movie still exists.

And I don’t even think it’s that bad. A couple of fanedits make it halfway decent actually.

I mean, I certainly think it’s worse than any fanedit could fix, but that’s opinion. Ultimately it’s a completely unnecessary extension to a story that very clearly ended in 1989.

Huh, just like ESB was a completely unnecessary extension to a story that very clearly ended in 1977.

JEDIT: What Collipso said. Raiders too.

But the Star Wars sequels were a meaningful extension, will a culmination of events and a clear ending to that overall story in 1983. The same goes for the Raiders sequels.

No.

Dek Rollins said:

ray_afraid said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

^You missed one.

No.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, the movie still exists.

hence the word trilogy.

Actually, you just said you watched those movies. No mention of “series” or “saga” or even “trilogy”.

I didn’t say it in my post, but the series is frequently referred to as the “Indiana Jones Trilogy.”

By people who are wrong.

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

^You missed one.

No.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, the movie still exists.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, a sequel existing does not mean it fits into the original story, nor does it mean I have to include it with a viewing of the trilogy, hence the word trilogy.

“Original story” is a weird phrasing to use considering it’s not one coherent narrative and actually three separate stories but okay.

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

^You missed one.

No.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, the movie still exists.

So what? If someone says they watched Star Wars, Empire and Jedi lat night, would you feel the need to point out that they missed 6 other films?

It’s called a “joke.”

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

You Were Never Really Here (2018) - Engrossing from start to finish with, of course, an amazing performance from the great Joaquin Phoenix. Wish some of the motivations were a bit less opaque, but otherwise, fantastic. B+

How is this not a sequel to I’m Still Here?

I anxiously await the trilogy capper, I May Or May Not Be Here Later Tomorrow.

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

^You missed one.

No.

Oddly enough, no matter what anyone says about it, the movie still exists.

^You missed one.

Hot Shots! (1991) - Not as clever or inventive as Airplane! or Top Secret!, but still funny enough with a few pretty good gags. B-

You Were Never Really Here (2018) - Engrossing from start to finish with, of course, an amazing performance from the great Joaquin Phoenix. Wish some of the motivations were a bit less opaque, but otherwise, fantastic. B+

Cloak & Dagger (1984) - Fun little flick. Cool to see Henry Thomas prove that E.T. wasn’t a fluke. B

Blockers (2018) - Didn’t expect this to be any good but was pleasantly surprised. Pretty funny throughout, and much more thoughtful when it comes to the characters and their dynamics than one would have thought. Not bad at all. B

The Karate Kid Part II (1986) - In some ways better than the first, though in some ways quite a bit worse. Mainly, Daniel feels pretty extraneous to the whole thing which makes the climax ultimately feel pretty tacked on. B-

Avengers: Infinity War (2018) - There are some obvious issues here from a storytelling perspective, but mostly all those are inherent to the very concept of the film. That said, these constraints are actually fairly easy to put aside and just enjoy the film for what it is. It’s ultimately pretty impressive considering, and very fun throughout. B+

I thought it was a kinda silly design, but the CGI was mostly pretty good.

Collipso said:

I like the theories shared here so far.

However, I do think that

Spoilers

Loki might come back, because due to Ragnarok and the character’s success in it, they might decide to resurrect him for (if they end up doing) Thor 4. I hope Vision and Gamora are gone for good though. But most theories here regarding them sound much more convincing than actual death for the characters.

spills

I mean I could see why they might want to bring back Loki, but I think at this point, after Ragnarok, his story is well and truly done. As for my Gamora theory, I’m just guessing based on the fact that she specifically seems gone too soon. I don’t really know anything about the soul stone so I don’t really know if that’s possible. My thought was her life was literally traded for the stone, maybe there’s a way to reverse that trade.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Infinity Gauntlet by Starlin/Perez/Lim for sure. Several bits of the movie were ripped right from those pages.

Cool. What about what wikipedia is telling me are sequels? War and Crusade?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Each phase of films is loosely planned out before they start working on them as opposed to just going a movie at a time and hoping everything fits together in the end.

Seems like an odd thing to include in the marketing lingo. Seems more of an internal administrative thing.

It kinda made sense at first when The Avengers was the culmination of the previous “phase one” movies, as in like the finale of that season. Phase two and three have been like that to an extent but not completely. At this point it’s biggest use is to just compartmentalize the movies chronologically.