We’re going to give them lunch and then complain they didn’t earn it like Luke did by crash landing on Dagobah.
Or you could make them dig through the dumpster for usable items and then reward lunch based on what they found.
My god.
Not really. Racism, iirc, is defined as discrimination and/or antagonism against a race/races, so I don’t think demographic grouping counts.
Racism is defining something. Or assuming something. Or judging something. Based on race. It doesn’t even have to be a negative.
It’s just a way to categorize. If it’s done by race? It’s based on an assumption of that race.
You’re not even making sense. Usually surveys are self-identifying and you can choose not to disclose your race if you want.
Not really. Racism, iirc, is defined as discrimination and/or antagonism against a race/races, so I don’t think demographic grouping counts.
Exactly. If one were to survey approval ratings from those aged 18-24, that wouldn’t be ageist.
If the purpose of asking was in order to make up a way to rope that age group into some sort of “plan”? Then I’d say it probably would have a flavor of ageism going for it.
What are you talking about “some sort of plan”? What does that even mean? It’s a statistic. You can interpret however you want, but it’s actually a neutral thing.
Look. A guy calls up and wants to know what people “think”. Bases it on race. Bases it on age. Bases it on whatever category. That guy then runs with the stats and figures out sells them to whatever group wants them.
Groups buy stats in order to peddle influence. They figure out how to sway a group and then they do it.
I was pointing out if we do it on the regular? If we’re grouping people by type in order to do anything specific and point to them as a group? Well then that has a label. You want to call it statistics and paint it innocent. That’s fine.
I was giving a bit of a tongue in cheek pointer that it’s just as racist as claiming that group does anything else as a group. The fact that it’s true instead of exaggerated probably cools it a bit. But it’s still a thing we do.
No one’s saying “they” do something “as a group.” You seem to completely misunderstand the point of demographic grouping, statistics, and surveys in general.
Not really. Racism, iirc, is defined as discrimination and/or antagonism against a race/races, so I don’t think demographic grouping counts.
Racism is defining something. Or assuming something. Or judging something. Based on race. It doesn’t even have to be a negative.
It’s just a way to categorize. If it’s done by race? It’s based on an assumption of that race.
You’re not even making sense. Usually surveys are self-identifying and you can choose not to disclose your race if you want.
Not really. Racism, iirc, is defined as discrimination and/or antagonism against a race/races, so I don’t think demographic grouping counts.
Exactly. If one were to survey approval ratings from those aged 18-24, that wouldn’t be ageist.
If the purpose of asking was in order to make up a way to rope that age group into some sort of “plan”? Then I’d say it probably would have a flavor of ageism going for it.
What are you talking about “some sort of plan”? What does that even mean? It’s a statistic. You can interpret however you want, but it’s actually a neutral thing.
I’m just trying to imagine how this questioning goes. I mean do you ask the guy after the interview “Are you black? Oh, that’s interesting. I’ll check this box here then.” But then what is black exactly? I mean what % counts? 1/2? 1/4? 1/16?
And why does it matter?
It seems to me it only matters if someone’s trying to figure out what “they” think. Which obviously means that “they’re” a group. Which obviously means there’s a common thought being pulled from that group. Which obviously means someone somewhere will be tempted to say: “Black people think this way. Black people vote this way. Black people are this way.”
If that’s not grouping by race and labeling by race I’m not sure what is. I mean what’s the difference between being racist (judging based on race) and playing with racial statistics (predicting based on race)?
I think you need to do some research into why “color blindness” is considered problematic.
All I know is that I don’t spend any time wondering what guys of Irish decent like me think about something compared to guys of French decent. Seems like the reason we’re doing it with black people is because we can see the color of their skin.
I mean if we’re really interested in finding out how “they” think? We’d be scanning for what kind of tribe they came from originally. Instead of grouping them into a “group” that sort of looks the “same” to us.
I don’t know.
As long as systemic racism exists we can’t pretend that all the races are “equal” and therefore are treated exactly the same by everyone. What I mean is that, one’s situation is often very much influenced by their race, and we can’t ignore that. There are current and historic factors at play here and to neglect them out of a misguided (though well intentioned) yearning for “color blindness” is ignorant, at best.
Trust me when I say this topic has been well covered by many others (who are much smarter than me and have more relevant experience). Feel free to google.
I don’t really care if the topic’s been talked to death. I don’t really care what 50 big brains in a room think atm.
What you’re actually saying is that you don’t care what people with different perspectives (perhaps more relevant perspectives) think.
All I was pointing out was when something’s done up by race it’s racist. It doesn’t matter why. It doesn’t matter what the intentions are. It doesn’t matter if everyone nods and accepts that it’s ok.
You say it like this is an objective matter. And it is, you’re just wrong.
And let’s be clear. I didn’t ever say it wasn’t ok. I was mostly pointing out it’s a thing we do.
I don’t even know what this means.
Not really. Racism, iirc, is defined as discrimination and/or antagonism against a race/races, so I don’t think demographic grouping counts.
Exactly. If one were to survey approval ratings from those aged 18-24, that wouldn’t be ageist.
I’m just trying to imagine how this questioning goes. I mean do you ask the guy after the interview “Are you black? Oh, that’s interesting. I’ll check this box here then.” But then what is black exactly? I mean what % counts? 1/2? 1/4? 1/16?
And why does it matter?
It seems to me it only matters if someone’s trying to figure out what “they” think. Which obviously means that “they’re” a group. Which obviously means there’s a common thought being pulled from that group. Which obviously means someone somewhere will be tempted to say: “Black people think this way. Black people vote this way. Black people are this way.”
If that’s not grouping by race and labeling by race I’m not sure what is. I mean what’s the difference between being racist (judging based on race) and playing with racial statistics (predicting based on race)?
I think you need to do some research into why “color blindness” is considered problematic.
All I know is that I don’t spend any time wondering what guys of Irish decent like me think about something compared to guys of French decent. Seems like the reason we’re doing it with black people is because we can see the color of their skin.
I mean if we’re really interested in finding out how “they” think? We’d be scanning for what kind of tribe they came from originally. Instead of grouping them into a “group” that sort of looks the “same” to us.
I don’t know.
As long as systemic racism exists we can’t pretend that all the races are “equal” and therefore are treated exactly the same by everyone. What I mean is that, one’s situation is often very much influenced by their race, and we can’t ignore that. There are current and historic factors at play here and to neglect them out of a misguided (though well intentioned) yearning for “color blindness” is ignorant, at best.
Trust me when I say this topic has been well covered by many others (who are much smarter than me and have more relevant experience). Feel free to google.
Yeah, in theory it’s a nice idea to look beyond racial differences and just see one happy human race, but that undermines the struggles people of color have faced and still face because of their race.
…and will still face as long as we keep surveying them as “those kind of people think this”
It’s not about “those kinds of people” (although maybe the article was, who knows). You can easily find statistics about approval ratings from white people too. Demographics are important to take stock of.
I’m just trying to imagine how this questioning goes. I mean do you ask the guy after the interview “Are you black? Oh, that’s interesting. I’ll check this box here then.” But then what is black exactly? I mean what % counts? 1/2? 1/4? 1/16?
And why does it matter?
It seems to me it only matters if someone’s trying to figure out what “they” think. Which obviously means that “they’re” a group. Which obviously means there’s a common thought being pulled from that group. Which obviously means someone somewhere will be tempted to say: “Black people think this way. Black people vote this way. Black people are this way.”
If that’s not grouping by race and labeling by race I’m not sure what is. I mean what’s the difference between being racist (judging based on race) and playing with racial statistics (predicting based on race)?
I think you need to do some research into why “color blindness” is considered problematic.
Badlands 1973
I’m not sure how or why, but this movie really enchanted me and left me very impressed.
Watch his others!
Just seemed like you were rejecting his perspective and experience based on yours. If not, I take it back of course, just saying that’s how it read.
my sister is a certified piece of shit AMA
How old is she?
18, same as myself. Triplets.
Triplets, wow.
Anyway, 18 is a good answer. As much as I disagree with Mrebo framing his experience as worse and therefore more legitimate than yours, I will say if you have a shit parent, the chances of them changing and becoming not shitty is very low, whereas with a sibling (especially someone who’s only now entering adulthood), there’s still a lot of time for them to grow and become less of a shit.
New clip!
“The Asteroid Field” theme gave me the biggest, dumbest grin.
Welp, time for me to leave this thread for now.
my sister is a certified piece of shit AMA
How old is she?
There’s a chance I actually suggested it first for Jango Fett in AOTR (but I think too late). Could’ve sworn I then suggested it for Boba but maybe not. But I definitely suggested it for one of them.
Pretty Lando has always been a bit older than Han.
Agreed.
I stand by this typo.
I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problem… he differentiates sex and gender.
Oh dear… you should watch the ice cream cartoon he did.
“You can’t change people’s sexuality!” - Video ends with straight ice cream being turned gay.
"No one can make you stop being strawberry, Strawberry. - The whole group makes Vanilla stop being vanilla.Wait, haven’t watched, is Bill Nye promoting sexual orientation conversion or opposing it? Because one of these makes him a piece of shit and the other makes you guys the piece of shit.
He is promoting both.
How? Do I really need to watch this?
I must say too that when I first read the Christmas tweet, I thought the main thing he was joking about was that Jesus (if he actually existed) was most likely not born on December 25.
I haven’t seen Bill Nye Saves the World but the main problem… he differentiates sex and gender.
Oh dear… you should watch the ice cream cartoon he did.
“You can’t change people’s sexuality!” - Video ends with straight ice cream being turned gay.
"No one can make you stop being strawberry, Strawberry. - The whole group makes Vanilla stop being vanilla.
Wait, haven’t watched, is Bill Nye promoting sexual orientation conversion or opposing it? Because one of these makes him a piece of shit and the other makes you guys the piece of shit.
Pretty Lando has always been a bit older than Han.
I don’t see what’s douchey about it (and I’m not a fan of a the word “pretentious” in general). He’s just doing what 90% of people do on twitter, random musings.
He said something along the lines of, let’s celebrate the birth of a very important man today, Sir Isaac Newton. Newton was born on December 25.
Wow what a dick.
It’s not like he’s wrong.
That’s nothing. You should see the other obnoxious shit he writes on Twitter.
I’m genuinely curious.
So are we all if we’re measuring approval ratings by skin color
Not at all.
I don’t think the argument has ever been that Trump is a white supremacist, but rather it’s that his base is significantly composed of racist idiots.
He is too.